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Post by grandsalami on Oct 3, 2014 22:47:11 GMT -5
“@bradfo: One name to keep eye on for Sox hiiting coach is Dave Magadan. One yr left on Rangers deal but w managing turnover could be fit to return”
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 4, 2014 7:36:38 GMT -5
Would the Rangers hold it up for a prospect? Wonder if there is an "out" clause in his contract if there's a change in management. I doubt it. Then again, the new manager would want his own hitting coach.
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 4, 2014 9:22:49 GMT -5
Is Magadan a choice to be manager in Texas? I would take him. The Red Sox are gonna be interesting with the mix of veterans and prospects. The coaches going forward has to be pretty dynamic. Farrell is on the hot seat. I personally hope Lovullo sticks around . If Farrell docent make it ,internally I would like him to get a shot.
Next year is gonna be pretty crazy also. You made need coaches that are familiar with our prospects. I think Ben is gonna give some spots to the kids. At least give chances to the best ones. That bullpen can be built through our pitchers. That is how the MFY do it for the most part.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 4, 2014 10:00:35 GMT -5
Magadan is not, reportedly on the list I just read.
(fwiw, list did include Lovullo, Tim Bogar, and others including Kevin Cash, Joe McEwing, and a few more I forget.)
EDIT: Sorry, to clarify, this is the list of candidates for the Texas managerial job, not the Red Sox hitting coach position. I also found the full list:
Peter Gammons @pgammo Texas candidates Tim Bogar, Alex Cora, Kevin Cash, Torey Lovullo, Jeff Banister, Joe McEwing all someday will be MLB managers)
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Post by jmei on Oct 4, 2014 10:08:23 GMT -5
The idea of Kevin "career .183/.248/.278 hitter" Cash as the hitting coach amuses me.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 4, 2014 10:17:55 GMT -5
The idea of Kevin "career .183/.248/.278 hitter" Cash as the hitting coach amuses me. Why should it? His approach as a hitting coach would be quite simple for batters to pick up: "Fer Gawdsakes, just don't do what I did!!"
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Post by jclmontana on Oct 4, 2014 10:28:27 GMT -5
The idea of Kevin "career .183/.248/.278 hitter" Cash as the hitting coach amuses me. Manager candidate, not hitting coach.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 4, 2014 10:30:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I clarified above. Sorry about that. Posting from bed after a much needed 12 hours of sleep.
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Post by moonstone2 on Oct 4, 2014 10:50:52 GMT -5
The idea of Kevin "career .183/.248/.278 hitter" Cash as the hitting coach amuses me. There have been plenty of good hitting coaches who were not good mlb hitters. Kevin Long never played in the majors and Jeff Pentland was a pitcher. I don't think Lau or Hriniak were good hitters either. As Woody Allen once said, those that can't do teach......and those that can't teach, teach gym
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Post by moonstone2 on Oct 4, 2014 11:12:13 GMT -5
But seriously unless Magadan is free they should probably just give Victor Rodriguez the job....and have Hyers or Gedmam assist him.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 4, 2014 11:31:44 GMT -5
The idea of Kevin "career .183/.248/.278 hitter" Cash as the hitting coach amuses me. There have been plenty of good hitting coaches who were not good mlb hitters. Kevin Long never played in the majors and Jeff Pentland was a pitcher. I don't think Lau or Hriniak were good hitters either. As Woody Allen once said, those that can't do teach......and those that can't teach, teach gym If anything there's an inverse correlation between how good players were and how good they are as coaches. Kevin Cash must have worked really damn hard to hit .183 in the majors. What's Vald Guerrero going to teach anyone? (And to bring up one of my pet peeves, "those who can't do, teach" is just a horrible, loathsome thing to say or believe. Being a good teacher is as hard to do as anything, and it's maybe the most important job that exists in the world.)
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 4, 2014 11:47:52 GMT -5
Agree with FTHW. Usually the greatest players are the ones with innate god-given talent. Ted Williams was an awful coach because you can't coach eyesight and coordination. And every time I hear about Pedro teaching someone the changeup I chuckle, because "grow longer fingers" can't be that helpful.
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Post by larrycook on Oct 4, 2014 12:26:49 GMT -5
Agree with FTHW. Usually the greatest players are the ones with innate god-given talent. Ted Williams was an awful coach because you can't coach eyesight and coordination. And every time I hear about Pedro teaching someone the changeup I chuckle, because "grow longer fingers" can't be that helpful. I always thought Pedro's change was so devastating because of the calluses he had on his finger tips.
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Post by moonstone2 on Oct 4, 2014 12:35:43 GMT -5
I think too that a lot of former greats get bored from coaching. Mark McGwire lasted only two years, Jim Rice washed out. There's not a lot of pay or glory and there is plenty of work and travel. The camera doesn't pan to the hitting coach after the team wins the World Series.
And Fenway I have a lot of respect for teachers. I think the Allen quote may apply to some disciplines like politics where failed politicians seem to find carrers in teaching or academic administration.....especially in Massachusetts.
Personally I do hope Victor gets the job. He's been with the organization a very long time.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 4, 2014 13:51:56 GMT -5
Agree with FTHW. Usually the greatest players are the ones with innate god-given talent. Ted Williams was an awful coach because you can't coach eyesight and coordination. And every time I hear about Pedro teaching someone the changeup I chuckle, because "grow longer fingers" can't be that helpful. I always thought Pedro's change was so devastating because of the calluses he had on his finger tips. If you could teach those kinds of pitches, the league would hit about .150 collectively and it would basically end the sport of baseball.
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Post by zimmerdown on Oct 4, 2014 16:38:01 GMT -5
I always thought Pedro's change was so devastating because of the calluses he had on his finger tips. If you could teach those kinds of pitches, the league would hit about .150 collectively and it would basically end the sport of baseball. I think he developed calluses because of how much he used his fingertips to snap those pitches off. His fingers were very long for his height, and they bent backwards like a "C" shape. Not sure if the calluses helped or hindered, but I remember him missing starts because of blisters.
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Post by mgoetze on Oct 4, 2014 17:22:55 GMT -5
Farrell is on the hot seat. I personally hope Lovullo sticks around . If Farrell docent make it ,internally I would like him to get a shot. He does have a pretty good hat-throwing routine but I have no reason to believe he would be a good manager otherwise, seeing as he was hand-picked by Farrell.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 4, 2014 17:35:39 GMT -5
Peter Gammons @pgammo Texas candidates Tim Bogar, Alex Cora, Kevin Cash, Torey Lovullo, Jeff Banister, Joe McEwing all someday will be MLB managers) You know, MLB would probably have some better managers if teams didn't just interview the same 5-10 guys every time.
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Post by beany24 on Oct 4, 2014 20:17:32 GMT -5
I just hope they can get a guy to maintain their highly successful "patient" approach. The one that helped them score so many runs this year while probably leading the league in called third strikes. The approved response for an established big league hitter is "It wasn't the pitch I was expecting." Instead of not wanting to look bad swinging, maybe they could just try getting the bat on the ball. Most of the veterans went backwards from 2013. Lucchino could probably handle this job.
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Post by jmei on Oct 4, 2014 21:17:25 GMT -5
Peter Gammons @pgammo Texas candidates Tim Bogar, Alex Cora, Kevin Cash, Torey Lovullo, Jeff Banister, Joe McEwing all someday will be MLB managers) You know, MLB would probably have some better managers if teams didn't just interview the same 5-10 guys every time. To be fair, this seems more like Gammons spitballing who the candidates will be, as opposed to the conclusive list of guys they're interviewing. A large part of the complaining over the same guys showing up is just because the media reports this stuff, and they're the ones who keep bringing up the same names over and over again.
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Post by jmei on Oct 4, 2014 21:29:08 GMT -5
I just hope they can get a guy to maintain their highly successful "patient" approach. The one that helped them score so many runs this year while probably leading the league in called third strikes. The approved response for an established big league hitter is "It wasn't the pitch I was expecting." Instead of not wanting to look bad swinging, maybe they could just try getting the bat on the ball. Most of the veterans went backwards from 2013. Lucchino could probably handle this job. Yeah, that approach that won them three World Series and made them the second-best-hitting team in baseball over the past decade sure sucks, doesn't it? To be fair, the Red Sox had the lowest rate of swinging at balls in the strike zone of any major-league team this year, by a pretty wide margin. But the problem isn't necessarily the philosophy, which, as I mentioned above, clearly has its merits (I'll note that last year's team, by far the best offense in baseball, also had the lowest rate of swinging at strikes in the league). The problem is more the players executing it. If you can't drive pitches when you're ahead in the count or lack the pitch recognition to lay off two-strike chase pitches, that's on you as the player.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 4, 2014 21:49:58 GMT -5
You know, MLB would probably have some better managers if teams didn't just interview the same 5-10 guys every time. To be fair, this seems more like Gammons spitballing who the candidates will be, as opposed to the conclusive list of guys they're interviewing. A large part of the complaining over the same guys showing up is just because the media reports this stuff, and they're the ones who keep bringing up the same names over and over again.I'm inclined to think that reflects the groupthink of the industry in general.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 4, 2014 23:33:47 GMT -5
Farrell is on the hot seat. I personally hope Lovullo sticks around . If Farrell docent make it ,internally I would like him to get a shot. He does have a pretty good hat-throwing routine but I have no reason to believe he would be a good manager otherwise, seeing as he was hand-picked by Farrell. Yes. Because he was hand picked by JF means he will be a ****ty manager. That makes perfect sense. And no he is not on the hot seat.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 5, 2014 6:44:49 GMT -5
Chili Davis please. Unless they can get Manny Ramirez from the Cubs. Supposed to have found Jesus andt turned into a great coach and model citizen. And having read about his workouts and batting T work in the off season, he probably knows more about hitting than anyone else being considered for the job.
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Post by jimoh on Oct 5, 2014 7:46:04 GMT -5
I think too that a lot of former greats get bored from coaching. Mark McGwire lasted only two years, Jim Rice washed out. There's not a lot of pay or glory and there is plenty of work and travel. The camera doesn't pan to the hitting coach after the team wins the World Series. … Jim Rice "washed out"? His teams hit pretty well for several years (1995-2000), much better than they had before he took over as hitting coach, although of course personnel had much to do with that. He seemed like a hard worker, not interested in "the camera", who was particularly good at getting marginal players to hit a little better. The "my job is not to walk, it's to drive in runs" philosophy that limited him as a hitter I do not recall being much of a part of his coaching--most guys had as high an OBP as their talent level would allow.
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