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Post by dewey1972 on Oct 28, 2014 21:09:44 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 28, 2014 22:46:02 GMT -5
Looks about right. Nothing too crazy. As I've said before, that 4-7 (3-6 on a Castillo-less list) is really just a tier for me depending on what you value. Don't know that I'd go with Marrero at 9, but the fact that he could play a gold glove-level shortstop right now is certainly worth a ton - it's just whether you think he'll hit more than Bradley did this year.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 28, 2014 23:41:41 GMT -5
One difference in Marrero's favor, though, is that the offensive bar for shortstops is a bit lower than center field. And even if he doesn't hit, there will always be a spot on a major league roster for a backup middle infielder who can play an elite shortstop. It's much, much harder to carry a backup outfielder who doesn't hit (or steal bases), even with leather like Bradley. If Bradley's a .220 hitter he's going to be a Quad-A up-an-down type, but Marrero could put together a 10 year career. Neifi Perez played in over 1400 games, and that was while offense was an all-time high.
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Post by cologneredsox on Oct 29, 2014 9:20:02 GMT -5
Looks about right. Nothing too crazy. As I've said before, that 4-7 (3-6 on a Castillo-less list) is really just a tier for me depending on what you value. Don't know that I'd go with Marrero at 9, but the fact that he could play a gold glove-level shortstop right now is certainly worth a ton - it's just whether you think he'll hit more than Bradley did this year. So you'd say Owens is clearly above them? (Especially Rodriguez)
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Post by moonstone2 on Oct 29, 2014 9:37:49 GMT -5
Looks about right. Nothing too crazy. As I've said before, that 4-7 (3-6 on a Castillo-less list) is really just a tier for me depending on what you value. Don't know that I'd go with Marrero at 9, but the fact that he could play a gold glove-level shortstop right now is certainly worth a ton - it's just whether you think he'll hit more than Bradley did this year. If it's me, I put Chavis in the top ten over Marrero.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 29, 2014 13:46:51 GMT -5
MT @baseballamerica: .@alexspeier will chat Red Sox prospects with BA subscribers at 2 p.m. ET ($): ow.ly/DvWKYHighlights please?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 29, 2014 14:18:23 GMT -5
Here are a couple I found interesting:
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 29, 2014 15:47:32 GMT -5
Can you believe that bum compared our prospects to the MFY'S "prospects"? To suggest our's are as overhyped as the Yankees makes me laugh. The Yankees have been getting a free ride until lately the newsources have caught up finally to there weak farm system. I always laugh about Montero and BA would have these write ups about him how awesome his power is and so forth. Then they had the story this summer about a writer sent him some dessert in the dugout in a minor league game. It was pretty funny. I guess he gained 40lbs before training camp.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 29, 2014 16:24:36 GMT -5
Can you believe that bum compared our prospects to the MFY'S "prospects"? To suggest our's are as overhyped as the Yankees makes me laugh. The Yankees have been getting a free ride until lately the newsources have caught up finally to there weak farm system. I always laugh about Montero and BA would have these write ups about him how awesome his power is and so forth. Then they had the story this summer about a writer sent him some dessert in the dugout in a minor league game. It was pretty funny. I guess he gained 40lbs before training camp. Possible that someone is writing the same thing on a Yankees forum right now and using Lars Anderson instead. Prospects bust. It happens.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 29, 2014 22:35:07 GMT -5
I'd put Rodriguez over Owens right now simply because of the slightly higher ceiling and 3 plus pitches, versus 2 for Owens.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Oct 30, 2014 0:37:26 GMT -5
I'd put Rodriguez over Owens right now simply because of the slightly higher ceiling and 3 plus pitches, versus 2 for Owens. Then you go back to the stickiness of what Speier was mentioning from the beginning.. raw ceiling, or a prospect with a solid background as Owens has had. It's the same thing SP does here in rankings. Raw talent, or proven talent? Which factor will over ride the other in a certain occasion?
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Post by larrycook on Oct 31, 2014 22:17:24 GMT -5
I'd put Rodriguez over Owens right now simply because of the slightly higher ceiling and 3 plus pitches, versus 2 for Owens. So are you implying that owen's curveball is not a plus pitch for him? If so then what grade would you give his curveball?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 1, 2014 9:24:44 GMT -5
It's also a matter of floor as well as ceiling as well as past performance. I'd say the three lefties are close and wouldn't disagree with any order. To me, ceilings ranked are Rodriguez, Owens, Johnson but floor is the opposite with Johnson having the highest floor and Rodriguez the lowest. Owens is sandwiched both ways.
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 1, 2014 12:20:22 GMT -5
I'd put Rodriguez over Owens right now simply because of the slightly higher ceiling and 3 plus pitches, versus 2 for Owens. So are you implying that owen's curveball is not a plus pitch for him? If so then what grade would you give his curveball? Where are you getting that? He says Owens has 2 plus pitches vs. 3 for Rodriguez. Pretty sure he's including Owens' curve as one of those plus pitches. What do you think, Larry?
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Post by larrycook on Nov 2, 2014 1:20:23 GMT -5
I have owen's changeup as a plus pitch. I have his fast ball as average maybe a little more, when he can command it. I have his curve as below average.
I have only seen him pitch five times across three levels and maybe all five games, he did not have the curve working because what I saw was not good.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Nov 2, 2014 7:16:59 GMT -5
When I saw Owens his fasrball got murdered by good hitters. He's absolutely got to keep that pitch down or it's a huge problem for him.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 3, 2014 0:25:38 GMT -5
When I saw Owens his fasrball got murdered by good hitters. He's absolutely got to keep that pitch down or it's a huge problem for him. Agreed, like ranaudo when he pitched up, he gets crushed. So how was his curve when you saw him. Everytime I have seen him, the fastball was located well the first two times thorough the lineup, then got ragged in the sixth.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 3, 2014 14:21:41 GMT -5
When I saw Owens his fasrball got murdered by good hitters. He's absolutely got to keep that pitch down or it's a huge problem for him. Agreed, like ranaudo when he pitched up, he gets crushed. So how was his curve when you saw him. Everytime I have seen him, the fastball was located well the first two times thorough the lineup, then got ragged in the sixth. Owens was pretty much unhittable until he got to the upper end of his innings limit, so there really isn't anything to this.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 3, 2014 14:33:40 GMT -5
Agreed, like ranaudo when he pitched up, he gets crushed. So how was his curve when you saw him. Everytime I have seen him, the fastball was located well the first two times thorough the lineup, then got ragged in the sixth. Owens was pretty much unhittable until he got to the upper end of his innings limit, so there really isn't anything to this. Interesting theory. I guess next season will show us if his stuff plays up or if he has some tightening up to work on.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 5, 2014 8:22:32 GMT -5
Speier and Bradford put up a podcast last night, and Speier says that three guys also got consideration for the top 10: Guerra, Chavis, and Travis.
Good podcast so far, but it's a little short at 19 minutes. I wish someone would release a podcast in which they chatted with Speier for like, an hour about this. And it'd be cool if it came out tonight.
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Post by thursty on Nov 5, 2014 10:15:32 GMT -5
Can you believe that bum compared our prospects to the MFY'S "prospects"? To suggest our's are as overhyped as the Yankees makes me laugh. The Yankees have been getting a free ride until lately the newsources have caught up finally to there weak farm system. I always laugh about Montero and BA would have these write ups about him how awesome his power is and so forth. Then they had the story this summer about a writer sent him some dessert in the dugout in a minor league game. It was pretty funny. I guess he gained 40lbs before training camp. Possible that someone is writing the same thing on a Yankees forum right now and using Lars Anderson instead. Prospects bust. It happens Or Xander Bogaerts
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 5, 2014 13:30:32 GMT -5
Possible that someone is writing the same thing on a Yankees forum right now and using Lars Anderson instead. Prospects bust. It happens Or Xander Bogaerts Honest question. My comprehension could be way, way off, so please excuse me if I misunderstood. Are you declaring Xander Bogaerts a bust?
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Post by nomar on Nov 5, 2014 16:16:20 GMT -5
Possible that someone is writing the same thing on a Yankees forum right now and using Lars Anderson instead. Prospects bust. It happens Or Xander Bogaerts Totally.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 5, 2014 19:23:15 GMT -5
Xander Bogaerts is obviously a bust. I mean he looked good in the minors, but he stunk for almost an entire season at the MLB level, and he never struggled like that before coming up. Plus he's old at 21 years old, it's not like he is 19 or something. If he was a bit younger I'd be more optimistic about his future but I just don't see anything about this youngster that is there to get us excited.
if you need italics to know I'm being sarcastic, then you might have been agreeing with me a second ago.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Nov 5, 2014 19:26:19 GMT -5
But on a more on topic note, looking at that list has me thinking about our lack of high ceiling RHP talent in the system. There is Kopech, but he's pretty far off, I wonder how close he came to making the list.
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