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Post by James Dunne on Dec 19, 2014 10:30:15 GMT -5
Who plays CF, Myers or Kemp? Either way yikes. I'd put Kemp at 1B. I thought the same thing. Upton is a very good player but a strange fit. He's probably the best defensive outfielder they have, and SD has a huge yard to cover. Max Fried is apparently part of the deal. I think I dislike this for both teams.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2014 10:31:07 GMT -5
Hmm, so the Padres have traded themselves into around 78 win territory.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 19, 2014 10:37:08 GMT -5
Hmm, so the Padres have traded themselves into around 78 win territory. They probably have the largest error bar in the game, though. I could see them winning 92 or 62. High risk/high reward is always fun.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 19, 2014 10:46:34 GMT -5
I don't know what the Padres are doing. All of a sudden they want to play with big boys. In one way at least there making moves and if I was a fan I would be happy with the active front office. But questionable talent coming in Kemp,Upton,Myers. They traded there starting 3B last year. I wonder what happened in those front office meetings to change direction. Maybe they got fed up with trying to build farm system. It's funny how Grandal stock has fallen to me. I guess getting offense is hard to find. Makes me think the Sox should get something decent for Craig especially if he looks good in spring training if they wait that long. I dunno if Craig brings back more than Seth Smith if a team is looking for a corner OF now. Craig had the disastrous season, Smith just doesn't hit lefies all that well, but had a fair season as always and he's only owed 12m over the next 2y, not bad for someone who has put up the kinds of numbers he has in 2 abysmal hitter parks the last 3 years. I'd think teams would feel safer taking the 2y older Smith than injury risk Craig, who is owed 2x as much.
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Post by Gwell55 on Dec 19, 2014 10:56:59 GMT -5
I don't know what the Padres are doing. All of a sudden they want to play with big boys. In one way at least there making moves and if I was a fan I would be happy with the active front office. But questionable talent coming in Kemp,Upton,Myers. They traded there starting 3B last year. I wonder what happened in those front office meetings to change direction. Maybe they got fed up with trying to build farm system. It's funny how Grandal stock has fallen to me. I guess getting offense is hard to find. Makes me think the Sox should get something decent for Craig especially if he looks good in spring training if they wait that long. His steroid use and then not being so great at the MLB level after that most likely started the stock falling so fast. His stats aren't that impressive if you take out the steroids year. .224 .332 .389 .721
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 19, 2014 12:15:23 GMT -5
So what the hell IS the Padres lineup now?
One website I googled had:
Amarista SS Gyorko 2B Upton OF Kemp OF Myers OF WMB 3B Alonso 1B Norris C
Rotation of Cashner, Ross, Kennedy, Despaigne, Erlin, with Morrow and Johnson fighting for spots?
Like Dunnzo said, huge error bars. Should potentially get people out to the park at least. Insane to me for more than half of a lineup to be new.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2014 12:30:27 GMT -5
So what the hell IS the Padres lineup now? One website I googled had: Amarista SS Gyorko 2B Upton OF Kemp OF Myers OF WMB 3B Alonso 1B Norris C Rotation of Cashner, Ross, Kennedy, Despaigne, Erlin, with Morrow and Johnson fighting for spots? Like Dunnzo said, huge error bars. Should potentially get people out to the park at least. Insane to me for more than half of a lineup to be new. What a horrible outfield. Myers is probably best of the 3 and he's average.
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Post by artfuldodger on Dec 19, 2014 13:03:38 GMT -5
San Diego has an interesting approach. It is accumulating what it deems to be assets, and churning them. It is too early to look at their lineup as the roster will continue to be churned. I am not sure if it will work but it is interesting.
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Post by nomar on Dec 19, 2014 13:15:24 GMT -5
Huge margin for error. Myers Gyorko and WMB could bust (I like Gyorko and Myers but nothing is guaranteed), and obviously Kemp has his injury red flag waving. Horrible defensive team too. I don't like the style given their home park, but I hope it works out for them.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 19, 2014 13:22:20 GMT -5
Looks like Prado and David Phelps for Nate Eovaldi and Garrett Jones. Jones is the exact sort of stiff who inexplicably always end up having good seasons for the Yankees.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2014 13:22:37 GMT -5
Prado to the Marlins. Nice team the Fish are putting together. Of course, they'll be totally dismantled by the All-Star break. Eovaldi to Yankees. Hmm.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2014 13:24:03 GMT -5
Looks like Prado and David Phelps for Nate Eovaldi and Garrett Jones. Jones is the exact sort of stiff who inexplicably always end up having good seasons for the Yankees. Damn, now we need a LOOGY. kidding
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Post by ramireja on Dec 19, 2014 13:24:33 GMT -5
Prado to the Marlins. Nice team the Fish are putting together. Of course, they'll be totally dismantled by the All-Star break. Pretty surprising move for the Yanks. Opens up a whole at 2B, unless they're believers in Refsnyder.
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Post by nomar on Dec 19, 2014 13:27:44 GMT -5
Great move for NY getting Eovaldi for the back end of their rotation.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 19, 2014 13:36:53 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 19, 2014 13:38:21 GMT -5
They really don't want to spend money this offseason? I never trust these guys. They practice witchcraft. Lol.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2014 13:39:17 GMT -5
I can't keep track, but I think the Padres have traded half of their top 20 prospects in the last week.
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 19, 2014 13:45:25 GMT -5
I was watching the baseball network and of course there talking about the Padres moves. Then one of them asked Rosenthal what happened with the front office to change direction and he had no answer. He was stumped.
I was wondering this also. Earlier in my post. They mentioned they got a new TV deal. It shows these teams can spend if they want to. There is only a couple of teams with bad stadium deals. I.E. Oakland, Tampa Bay.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 19, 2014 13:48:54 GMT -5
Looks like Prado and David Phelps for Nate Eovaldi and Garrett Jones. Jones is the exact sort of stiff who inexplicably always end up having good seasons for the Yankees. I think it stinks as far as being a Sox and Marlins fan. Eovaldi sits in the mid-upper 90's and when his slider is on? He's nearly impossible to hit, the thing really dives. Those 2 are really all he has, but when a guy can (and does) throw the ball 97+ near the 100 pitch count? It's a mighty cheap price NY gave up, especially when who they got (Prado) IMO is no better than the guy (mcGeHee) that is being replaced at 3b. Little known fct and some of you gentleman who are into obscure stats may be able to find this, but Marlins announcer Tommy Hutton late last season said McGehee had more "balls off the wall" than anyone else in the lague, something ppl who only see his paltry 4hr might think he's got no power. He was the go to guy when games mattered last season and I think that deal might have been more about shedding the 5m Garret Jones was owed than getting Prado. If what they got out of Eovaldi is all they were asking? That is, a below journeyman level swing guy in Phelps, someone akin to Workman and Prado? Why wasn't Boston all over someone with top of the rotation stuff that has 3y of team control left?
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2014 13:51:03 GMT -5
Looks like Prado and David Phelps for Nate Eovaldi and Garrett Jones. Jones is the exact sort of stiff who inexplicably always end up having good seasons for the Yankees. I think it stinks as far as being a Sox and Marlins fan. Eovaldi sits in the mid-upper 90's and when his slider is on? He's nearly impossible to hit, the thing really dives. Those 2 are really all he has, but when a guy can (and does) throw the ball 97+ near the 100 pitch count? It's a mighty cheap price NY gave up, especially when who they got (Prado) IMO is no better than the guy (mcGeHee) that is being replaced at 3b. Little known fct and some of you gentleman who are into obscure stats may be able to find this, but Marlins announcer Tommy Hutton late last season said McGehee had more "balls off the wall" than anyone else in the lague, something ppl who only see his paltry 4hr might think he's got no power. He was the go to guy when games mattered last season and I think that deal might have been more about shedding the 5m Garret Jones was owed than getting Prado. If what they got out of Eovaldi is all they were asking? That is, a below journeyman level swing guy in Phelps, someone akin to Workman and Prado? Why wasn't Boston all over someone with top of the rotation stuff that has 3y of team control left? Interesting that he's never struck a lot of guys out at any level. Sounds like Joe Kelly with a little more control.
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Post by taftreign on Dec 19, 2014 13:55:21 GMT -5
Add in that Joel Sherman is tweeting the Yankees are also getting Marlins prospect Domingo German, another young hard thrower.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 19, 2014 13:56:51 GMT -5
I was watching the baseball network and of course there talking about the Padres moves. Then one of them asked Rosenthal what happened with the front office to change direction and he had no answer. He was stumped. I was wondering this also. Earlier in my post. They mentioned they got a new TV deal. It shows these teams can spend if they want to. There is only a couple of teams with bad stadium deals. I.E. Oakland, Tampa Bay. St Pete city council kicked the Rays ownership group from looking for a new deal on the "other side" of the bay also. Lots of bad blood. Sternberg says he's selling the team and new group will look at situation after 2017 lease expires, but most everyone realizes that means he sells the team and it's outta' there. Forget that lease and that dump of a dome. www.draysbay.com/2014/12/18/7417857/rays-stadium-search-deny-St-petersburg-city-council
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 19, 2014 13:57:24 GMT -5
Eovaldi is still only 24 though (25 on opening day). The Dodgers pushed him pretty hard - he reached Double-A at 21 and skipped Triple-A entirely. And the K rates aren't great, but they're ok, while everything else seems to be moving in the right direction. His profile is a little bit like that of Porcello - because he debuted so young, his career has been unfairly framed by his struggles before he was really ready.
EDIT: His upside is probably a 3/4, but his downside is a 5 and that's worth Prado and Phelps.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 19, 2014 15:13:49 GMT -5
The Cubs announced that they have claimed Ryan Lavarnway off waivers from the Dodgers.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 19, 2014 15:28:17 GMT -5
Isn't Maybin still on the Padres? Wonder if they would bet on a bounce-back in CF, move Alonso for more assets, and shift Kemp to 1B? For arthritic knees, would 1B or OF be worse? (I'm guessing that Kemp could quickly become a better 1B than he is an OF)
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