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Post by taftreign on Nov 24, 2014 13:10:04 GMT -5
Holy crap, Napoli has lost some weight. I didn't even recognize him. This is what happens when you actually get a full nights uninterrupted sleep.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 24, 2014 13:17:01 GMT -5
The surgery was on his jaw too. My guess is he was on a liquid diet for a little bit.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Nov 24, 2014 13:26:35 GMT -5
I have a friend who had that done and looked like a totally different person after. We all joked with him that he did it to disguise a nose job.
He was on a liquid diet for more than a month and lost a ton of weight.
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Post by jmei on Nov 26, 2014 15:38:17 GMT -5
Ernesto Frieri was on my bullpen arms to watch list, and the Rays just got him for a pittance. That's the kind of signing that this team needs to focus on, rather than the Miller/Gregorson types.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 26, 2014 17:08:08 GMT -5
@jessesanchezmlb: Breaking: Cuban outfielder Yasmany Tomas & D-backs have agreed to a 6-year deal worth $68.5M, according to sources t.co/haBhc6LtHh
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 26, 2014 17:11:06 GMT -5
Good deal for the D-Backs. Also good to see he didn't sign with a contender really.
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Post by moonstone2 on Nov 26, 2014 19:06:50 GMT -5
@jessesanchezmlb: Breaking: Cuban outfielder Yasmany Tomas & D-backs have agreed to a 6-year deal worth $68.5M, according to sources t.co/haBhc6LtHhSo the Red Sox are paying twice as much and giving up a pick for a player 7 years older. Let's see what the difference in value is come 2018.
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Post by kman22 on Nov 26, 2014 19:27:36 GMT -5
@jessesanchezmlb: Breaking: Cuban outfielder Yasmany Tomas & D-backs have agreed to a 6-year deal worth $68.5M, according to sources t.co/haBhc6LtHhSo the Red Sox are paying twice as much and giving up a pick for a player 7 years older. Let's see what the difference in value is come 2018. Let's see how each performs this season. The two teams are in different windows.
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 26, 2014 19:33:27 GMT -5
@jessesanchezmlb: Breaking: Cuban outfielder Yasmany Tomas & D-backs have agreed to a 6-year deal worth $68.5M, according to sources t.co/haBhc6LtHhSo the Red Sox are paying twice as much and giving up a pick for a player 7 years older. Let's see what the difference in value is come 2018. Can we not compare Yasmany Tomas to Hanley Ramirez please? One of them has proven constantly over 9 seasons that he is an elite hitter and the other hasn't taken 1 swing against MLB pitching.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 26, 2014 19:34:00 GMT -5
@jessesanchezmlb: Breaking: Cuban outfielder Yasmany Tomas & D-backs have agreed to a 6-year deal worth $68.5M, according to sources t.co/haBhc6LtHhSo the Red Sox are paying twice as much and giving up a pick for a player 7 years older. Let's see what the difference in value is come 2018. Wasn't he suppose to "shatter" spending records. Why did he get so little? Bad scouting reports?
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 26, 2014 19:51:49 GMT -5
Can we not compare Yasmany Tomas to Hanley Ramirez please? One of them has proven constantly over 9 seasons that he is an elite hitter and the other hasn't taken 1 swing against MLB pitching. And one of them is going to be asked to play a position he's never played at the MLB level (assuming of course he can remain healthy enough to play at all) while the other is a natural left fielder. Solid value pick for the D-Backs. I never said anything about the D-Backs getting a bad deal or anything. But Tomas is a huge question mark. Much less than Ramirez even with his injury troubles and position change. If Hanley gives you negative in the field, he is a lock to give you more than enough plus at the plate to be extremely valuable...like Manny Ramirez not on steroids.
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Post by moonstone2 on Nov 26, 2014 20:39:22 GMT -5
I don't think I would do that if I were Seattle. Only reason I would think they would even think about it was if they didn't plan on re-signing him, since he will be due for a fairly substantial pay raise in 2016, especially if he comes anywhere close to his 2013 numbers, and I'm not sure how much the Mariners are really willing to spend with $50M locked up in just Felix/Cano for the next 5 years. Those two are their only real long term deals, so they have money to spend even if they top out at $90M, but he's likely getting a $15M/year deal, and that leaves very little money to fill out the rest of what would need to be a lot of significant pieces Seattle's strength is it's starting pitching with the two veterans at the top. If they trade one of them, and sign a lower level starting pitcher like Masterson for instance, that's putting a lot of faith in their young starters to step up. Too much faith in my opinion for a GM who's job hangs by a thread on a year to year basis. Making such a deal requires them adding $9M in payroll, plus another $5M or so for another veteran back-end starter. I just think that they can get a better return on their money from what is left on the free agent market without having to take a bite into the team's core. If they are giving up one of their two best starters they need a player with more upside than Napoli. Nothing will break your heart more than young pitching and a GM who expects to contend and bases his rotation on that is taking a major risk. Jack Z is simply not secure enough in his job to take that risk.
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Post by moonstone2 on Nov 26, 2014 20:45:10 GMT -5
So the Red Sox are paying twice as much and giving up a pick for a player 7 years older. Let's see what the difference in value is come 2018. Can we not compare Yasmany Tomas to Hanley Ramirez please? One of them has proven constantly over 9 seasons that he is an elite hitter and the other hasn't taken 1 swing against MLB pitching. Why not? Both play the same position and both would have filled the same need. Ramirez is known for loafing and not taking baseball seriously and has missed significant time in each of the past two years so it's not like he's risk free.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 26, 2014 22:32:44 GMT -5
Only reason I would think they would even think about it was if they didn't plan on re-signing him, since he will be due for a fairly substantial pay raise in 2016, especially if he comes anywhere close to his 2013 numbers, and I'm not sure how much the Mariners are really willing to spend with $50M locked up in just Felix/Cano for the next 5 years. Those two are their only real long term deals, so they have money to spend even if they top out at $90M, but he's likely getting a $15M/year deal, and that leaves very little money to fill out the rest of what would need to be a lot of significant pieces Seattle's strength is it's starting pitching with the two veterans at the top. If they trade one of them, and sign a lower level starting pitcher like Masterson for instance, that's putting a lot of faith in their young starters to step up. Too much faith in my opinion for a GM who's job hangs by a thread on a year to year basis. Making such a deal requires them adding $9M in payroll, plus another $5M or so for another veteran back-end starter. I just think that they can get a better return on their money from what is left on the free agent market without having to take a bite into the team's core. If they are giving up one of their two best starters they need a player with more upside than Napoli. Nothing will break your heart more than young pitching and a GM who expects to contend and bases his rotation on that is taking a major risk. Jack Z is simply not secure enough in his job to take that risk. Aside from your legit points, which are similar to my feelings, they just extended Jack Z. No one in their right mind thought they we do it before they made the playoffs, and they did it. He's secure for another 2+ years, as ludicrous as it may be. They've consistently needed bats and have higher ceiling pitchers than the Sox in Walker/Hultzen IMO. Those two certainly don't have their own risks, don't get me wrong. But they are much more able to fill top parts of the rotation in the system than say Boston is. I still think at least one of Barnes/Owens can become at minimum the traditional "#2", but that won't be for 3 years. Walker and Hultzen are probably a few years ahead of the few Sox pitchers who might reach that point
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Post by bentossaurus on Nov 26, 2014 23:34:30 GMT -5
Isn't Hultzen's arm (almost) literally hanging by a thread?
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Post by dewey1972 on Nov 26, 2014 23:53:33 GMT -5
@jessesanchezmlb: Breaking: Cuban outfielder Yasmany Tomas & D-backs have agreed to a 6-year deal worth $68.5M, according to sources t.co/haBhc6LtHhTomas has an opt-out after four years.
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Post by moonstone2 on Nov 27, 2014 0:10:07 GMT -5
Seattle's strength is it's starting pitching with the two veterans at the top. If they trade one of them, and sign a lower level starting pitcher like Masterson for instance, that's putting a lot of faith in their young starters to step up. Too much faith in my opinion for a GM who's job hangs by a thread on a year to year basis. Making such a deal requires them adding $9M in payroll, plus another $5M or so for another veteran back-end starter. I just think that they can get a better return on their money from what is left on the free agent market without having to take a bite into the team's core. If they are giving up one of their two best starters they need a player with more upside than Napoli. Nothing will break your heart more than young pitching and a GM who expects to contend and bases his rotation on that is taking a major risk. Jack Z is simply not secure enough in his job to take that risk. Aside from your legit points, which are similar to my feelings, they just extended Jack Z. No one in their right mind thought they we do it before they made the playoffs, and they did it. He's secure for another 2+ years, as ludicrous as it may be. They've consistently needed bats and have higher ceiling pitchers than the Sox in Walker/Hultzen IMO. Those two certainly don't have their own risks, don't get me wrong. But they are much more able to fill top parts of the rotation in the system than say Boston is. I still think at least one of Barnes/Owens can become at minimum the traditional "#2", but that won't be for 3 years. Walker and Hultzen are probably a few years ahead of the few Sox pitchers who might reach that point Well Hultzen had rotator cuff surgery so they can't really count on him as part of their future. Even though the Mariners have extended Jack Z that doesn't stop them from firing him which I assume he doesn't want to have happen regardless of his extension. I am sure that he and his ownership expect him to compete this year. But yes, Walker and Paxton are very high ceiling pitchers and in a perfect world, they could step right in this year and they could just trade Iwakama for right handed power without seriously downgrading their rotation. But the world is never perfect and young pitchers often break your heart. All of the big three in Walker, Paxton, and Hultzen already have to some extent.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 27, 2014 0:18:43 GMT -5
Good deal for the D-Backs. Also good to see he didn't sign with a contender really. For sure. Also adds them as competition to the overloaded OF list and will also be looking to move multiple pieces over the winter. Cody Ross being one, who some teams may see as finally healthy and the D-Backs possibly paying some of the 8m left on his contract.
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Post by rangoon82 on Nov 27, 2014 0:45:54 GMT -5
Dalton Pompey is currently my favorite name in baseball right now. That is all.
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Post by jmei on Nov 27, 2014 9:33:55 GMT -5
Can we not compare Yasmany Tomas to Hanley Ramirez please? One of them has proven constantly over 9 seasons that he is an elite hitter and the other hasn't taken 1 swing against MLB pitching. And one of them is going to be asked to play a position he's never played at the MLB level (assuming of course he can remain healthy enough to play at all) while the other is a natural left fielder. Solid value pick for the D-Backs. "Natural left fielder" = guy who lacks the athleticism to play anywhere else. I'm fairly confident that Hanley, even with no experience, will be a better defensive left fielder than Tomas, and a much, much player overall. I never really understood the hype on Tomas-- he has some power and is young, but I'm not sure he has All-Star ceiling, and I'm not sure that I'd take him over Castillo in a vacuum.
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Post by moonstone2 on Nov 27, 2014 12:54:10 GMT -5
And one of them is going to be asked to play a position he's never played at the MLB level (assuming of course he can remain healthy enough to play at all) while the other is a natural left fielder. Solid value pick for the D-Backs. "Natural left fielder" = guy who lacks the athleticism to play anywhere else. I'm fairly confident that Hanley, even with no experience, will be a better defensive left fielder than Tomas, and a much, much player overall. I never really understood the hype on Tomas-- he has some power and is young, but I'm not sure he has All-Star ceiling, and I'm not sure that I'd take him over Castillo in a vacuum. For that to happen, Ramirez has to stay on the field. Tomas projects as a solid 2 win player with the upside of a 3 and he's signed for his prime seasons. Also virtually every Cuban player has outperformed expectations. Especially in the power department. So basically you are betting $42M plus a draft pick that Ramirez will stick to his conditioning and stay on the field which he hasn't done consistently in the past.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 27, 2014 13:09:20 GMT -5
"Natural left fielder" = guy who lacks the athleticism to play anywhere else. I'm fairly confident that Hanley, even with no experience, will be a better defensive left fielder than Tomas, and a much, much player overall. I never really understood the hype on Tomas-- he has some power and is young, but I'm not sure he has All-Star ceiling, and I'm not sure that I'd take him over Castillo in a vacuum. For that to happen, Ramirez has to stay on the field. Tomas projects as a solid 2 win player with the upside of a 3 and he's signed for his prime seasons. Also virtually every Cuban player has outperformed expectations. Especially in the power department. So basically you are betting $42M plus a draft pick that Ramirez will stick to his conditioning and stay on the field which he hasn't done consistently in the past. If Ramirez doesn't stick to his conditioning and isn't able to stay on the field then you are looking at a guy with Tomas' projected 2-3 WAR value you stated above. If Ramirez does stick to his conditioning and stays on the field you are looking at a guy who has posted multiple 7+ fWAR seasons and who just last year put up 5 WAR in half a season (so even if he doesn't stay healthy he may be much better than Tomas) Hanley will lose some value moving to LF (but not as much as typical positional adjustments as he projects to be a better LF than he was a SS), he is 'more likely' to be healthier at a less demanding position (but due to age and history also more likely than Tomas to get hurt) and he has a history of conditioning and clubhouse issues. I feel good about all of the above being worked out aside from his conditioning which is still a bit of a question (especially after signing a 4 year contract). But please remember, if Hanley didn't have the above questions then he would have been staring at an 8/$240mil contract this offseason. His upside is still as good, or better, than anyone in baseball not named Trout. This is really an apples to oranges comparison as Tomas' scouting reports don't indicate that he has even half the upside of Hanley. But we will see.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 27, 2014 13:20:08 GMT -5
"Natural left fielder" = guy who lacks the athleticism to play anywhere else. I'm fairly confident that Hanley, even with no experience, will be a better defensive left fielder than Tomas, and a much, much player overall. I never really understood the hype on Tomas-- he has some power and is young, but I'm not sure he has All-Star ceiling, and I'm not sure that I'd take him over Castillo in a vacuum. For that to happen, Ramirez has to stay on the field. Tomas projects as a solid 2 win player with the upside of a 3 and he's signed for his prime seasons. Also virtually every Cuban player has outperformed expectations. Especially in the power department. So basically you are betting $42M plus a draft pick that Ramirez will stick to his conditioning and stay on the field which he hasn't done consistently in the past. And Tomas could wind up with a .280 OBP this year. We were never going into the season with two complete unknowns in the lineup. We have a pretty good idea of what we'll get from Hanley.
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Post by bookiemetts on Nov 28, 2014 21:49:18 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal · 2m 2 minutes ago Sources: Donaldson going to #BlueJays. Lawrie, RHP Kendall Graveman among those going to #Athletics.
Wow. I wonder who else is in the deal.
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Post by moonstone2 on Nov 28, 2014 21:50:05 GMT -5
For that to happen, Ramirez has to stay on the field. Tomas projects as a solid 2 win player with the upside of a 3 and he's signed for his prime seasons. Also virtually every Cuban player has outperformed expectations. Especially in the power department. So basically you are betting $42M plus a draft pick that Ramirez will stick to his conditioning and stay on the field which he hasn't done consistently in the past. And Tomas could wind up with a .280 OBP this year. We were never going into the season with two complete unknowns in the lineup. We have a pretty good idea of what we'll get from Hanley. I would doubt that happens. Yes Hanley Ramirez is less risk, and the Sox are paying a huge amount for that. I don't agree with your implied assertion that the Sox should or have to pay any price for reduced risk. I will say today that if Hanley doesn't stay on the field....it's not a good deal.
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