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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 24, 2014 12:45:32 GMT -5
After seeing this, you would believe it crosses the $100 mil threshold.
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Post by nomar on Nov 24, 2014 12:50:51 GMT -5
After seeing this, you would believe it crosses the $100 mil threshold. Yep
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 24, 2014 12:53:38 GMT -5
My guess is he and Pablo end up with matching deals
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 24, 2014 13:01:27 GMT -5
Maybe they can't announce the deals because they each want $1 more than the other.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 24, 2014 13:05:29 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal Hanley Ramirez terms with #RedSox, per source: Four years, $88M with fifth-year vesting option valued at $22M.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 24, 2014 13:06:31 GMT -5
Even better. Assume 5th year only vests if he's still an elite bat. Higher AAV, less chance of an albatross of a year.
Might be meaningless if they go over 189 anyways
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Post by nomar on Nov 24, 2014 13:06:37 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal Hanley Ramirez terms with #RedSox, per source: Four years, $88M with fifth-year vesting option valued at $22M. Pleasant surprise there. More worried about Sandoval though.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 24, 2014 13:06:47 GMT -5
Interesting, I wonder what the vesting terms are. Presumably games played, but I'm curious as to the number
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 24, 2014 13:10:47 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal Hanley Ramirez terms with #RedSox, per source: Four years, $88M with fifth-year vesting option valued at $22M. So good.
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Post by seadogs on Nov 24, 2014 13:13:08 GMT -5
Have to believe there will be a play for a significant pitcher. King Felix or Sele.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 24, 2014 13:13:43 GMT -5
Have to believe there will be a play for a significant pitcher. King Felix or Sele. In no way shape or form do I want Ben to bring Aaron Sele out of retirement
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 24, 2014 13:16:01 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal Hanley Ramirez terms with #RedSox, per source: Four years, $88M with fifth-year vesting option valued at $22M. Damn this just got better. I expect Sandoval's terms will come down as well once the dust settles.
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Post by nomar on Nov 24, 2014 13:21:18 GMT -5
22M per year is steep but I like the number of years more than I care about 4M. And if the 5th vests it's because this deal is probably panning out.
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Post by ikonos on Nov 24, 2014 13:22:33 GMT -5
Why is this any better than 5/90 which would have been much better for the team. Its lesser dollars and easier to trade at the end if needed. The option buyout could be worth $2m atleast.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Nov 24, 2014 13:24:12 GMT -5
I'm hoping Hanley takes #24, and I can resurrect my old Manny Jersey hahaha.
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 24, 2014 13:28:06 GMT -5
I like the signing especially at 4 years with an option but it's more then I thought he would get
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 24, 2014 13:28:35 GMT -5
I'm much, much less excited about this after actually hearing the real terms of the contract. It went from 5 years, $90 million to 5 years, $110 million.
You guys are assuming that the vesting option is going to be difficult to reason. I'm not. It will probably just be about how many ABs he gets in the last year or two.
It went from an amazing signing to a meh signing real quick.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 24, 2014 13:28:43 GMT -5
Why is this any better than 5/90 which would have been much better for the team. Its lesser dollars and easier to trade at the end if needed. The option buyout could be worth $2m atleast. Because the vesting option is probably attached to his health which is a concern. You are not guaranteeing fully 5 year. Had to give up AAV for that.
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Post by kmann on Nov 24, 2014 13:34:45 GMT -5
So let's assume for a moment Hanley is our starting LF and joins Castillo and Betts on the Opening Day roster with Nava and Holt as reserves. That would mean that we can afford to trade Cespedes, Victorino and Craig? But can we realistically expect to be able to move Vic given his health issues? And wouldn't we have to sell very very low to move Craig? My fear is Nap gets traded along with Cespedes. If we end up with a Nava/Craig platoon at first and Betts starting the year in AAA, I will hate this signing. I know its still early and there are many more shoes to drop, but I must hold off on judging this Ramirez signing until the full roster is in place.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 24, 2014 13:35:55 GMT -5
Why is this any better than 5/90 which would have been much better for the team. Its lesser dollars and easier to trade at the end if needed. The option buyout could be worth $2m atleast. Because the vesting option is probably attached to his health which is a concern. You are not guaranteeing fully 5 year. Had to give up AAV for that. The difference is $2 million though.
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Post by ikonos on Nov 24, 2014 13:36:36 GMT -5
Why is this any better than 5/90 which would have been much better for the team. Its lesser dollars and easier to trade at the end if needed. The option buyout could be worth $2m atleast. Because the vesting option is probably attached to his health which is a concern. You are not guaranteeing fully 5 year. Had to give up AAV for that. I understand that part but it would only make any sense if there is meaningful difference between the numbers and at 4/88 and 5/90 I dont see that difference.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 24, 2014 13:39:44 GMT -5
Because the vesting option is probably attached to his health which is a concern. You are not guaranteeing fully 5 year. Had to give up AAV for that. I understand that part but it would only make any sense if there is meaningful difference between the numbers and at 4/88 and 5/90 I dont see that difference. Because that 5th year should be by far his "worst" in the deal. So they pay an extra couple million each year to avoid having a bad Ramirez at $18M
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 24, 2014 13:40:35 GMT -5
I'm much, much less excited about this after actually hearing the real terms of the contract. It went from 5 years, $90 million to 5 years, $110 million. You guys are assuming that the vesting option is going to be difficult to reason. I'm not. It will probably just be about how many ABs he gets in the last year or two. It went from an amazing signing to a meh signing real quick. I don't really get the hair-splitting on details like this. You like him at 5/90 but not at 5/110? What's the difference, really? How many free agent signings would look significantly better or worse in retrospect if you adjusted the contract by 15%? If only Carl Crawford would have signed for six years instead of seven that would have worked out perfectly...
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Post by nomar on Nov 24, 2014 13:41:21 GMT -5
I think when a team has as much to spend on payroll as we do, you're less worried about how much you spend each year and more worried about being stuck with a group that collectively underperforms for long periods of time.
Hanley's vesting option is basically injury insurance I would assume. Yeah, it came at a premium, but if we overpay a little for the performance we get, at least we're being cautious.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 24, 2014 13:45:09 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal Hanley Ramirez terms with #RedSox, per source: Four years, $88M with fifth-year vesting option valued at $22M. So good. So, so good. There is risk here, somewhat mitigated by the vesting option. But we're looking at one of the few players capable of approaching a 1.000 OPS. Those players do not grow on trees. The bat plays anywhere which makes him a good option in Fenway's cozy left field while adding flexibility at short, at third, and at first. The question is whether he can stay on the field. To my thinking, the perceived wealth of options in the outfield has to be tempered by the health risk both he and Victorino carry. He's averaged 116 games over the last four years, Victorino 110. The latter number comes with a caveat, since Victorino was quite dependable during his days with Philadelphia and after the trade to LA. He averaged 146 games per year from age 25 to 31. Maybe he can approach that again after the surgery, though he isn't getting any younger. When all's said and done, the team may not want to carry both. Like the rest of you, I do expect the Sox to be heavily involved in the trade market. The off-season is really just getting started which is good. It's going to take a bit of work to thin out what has become a rich set of roster options.
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