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Post by Smittyw on Nov 25, 2014 8:16:18 GMT -5
Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 14m14 minutes ago Panda deal with red sox: $98M for 5 years, plus club option.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Nov 25, 2014 8:46:31 GMT -5
I actually like this deal better in conjunction with the Hanley deal than I did as a stand-alone deal ... I was a little nervous with the idea that Sandoval was going to be the big new middle-of-the-order bat who could replace Papi when Papi retires. That seemed to be a classic case of making the "best available" guy at a certain time into something he wasn't, just because he's the only option.
BUT, as a relatively young third baseman who's solid defensively and a good 5/6 hitter in a powerful lineup ... now, that's a solid view of Sandoval. His weight knocked a year or two off the deal, which is fine with me.
As I've said many times, the Sox were desperate for mid-career guys over the next 4 years or so as Bogaerts, Betts, and Swihart build their careers, and the Devers, Chavis, Guerra, etc crew start weeding themselves out in the minors (with Margot in between). Sandoval's not a superstar; he's a good, solid player. It's expensive to get that these days, but the Sox needed it, and they've got a few years before they have to start paying Bogaerts and Betts big money.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 25, 2014 9:00:25 GMT -5
I'm waiting on that Fenway Swing article that makes me believe he's the next Beltre. That's the only way this makes sense. Google "Pablo Sandoval spray chart." Bask in the opposite-field power. Feel slightly better. I couldn't find a chart which reflects his LH ABs vs his RH ABs. This would show clearly whether he can go the opposite way and take advantage, hitting LH, of the Wall. As a switch hitter you would expect dots all over the field. Perhaps you can direct me to a link.
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Post by mattpicard on Nov 25, 2014 9:05:16 GMT -5
Google "Pablo Sandoval spray chart." Bask in the opposite-field power. Feel slightly better. I couldn't find a chart which reflects his LH ABs vs his RH ABs. This would show clearly whether he can go the opposite way and take advantage, hitting LH, of the Wall. As a switch hitter you would expect dots all over the field. Perhaps you can direct me to a link.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 25, 2014 9:07:52 GMT -5
Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 48 sec. Panda deal with boston is 95M for 5 yrs plus team option
Go on Jon, the amount gets smaller every ten minutes.
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 25, 2014 9:17:52 GMT -5
Not and ideal figure, but I do like the club option and it really isn't an outrageous contract. It is the typical FA overpay, but for the guy who is arguably the 2nd best FA hitter available it's palatable.
Overall, passing grade with this one for the Red Sox.
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Post by mattpicard on Nov 25, 2014 9:56:14 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 25, 2014 10:35:49 GMT -5
That's what I was waiting for, thanks.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 25, 2014 10:54:17 GMT -5
I couldn't find a chart which reflects his LH ABs vs his RH ABs. This would show clearly whether he can go the opposite way and take advantage, hitting LH, of the Wall. As a switch hitter you would expect dots all over the field. Perhaps you can direct me to a link. If this chart shows the spray against RHP, it's safe to assume he's hitting left-handed. Duh! Didn't notice the RHP/LHP legend on the charts. Thanks.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 25, 2014 10:59:18 GMT -5
It's hard to get much out of the spray charts other than he hits the ball all over the field.
It's way more informative to look at the article Matt posted which adjusts Hanley's wRC+ true talent in Fenway last season to 143 from 137 and Pablo's to 128 from 109.
So both should benefit pretty well from the move to Fenway.
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 25, 2014 11:13:54 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't know AT&T was so pitcher friendly. Makes me a little more excited for Pablo than I was before. Especially since he goes from playing regularly in large parks that for the most part surpress offense to the most hitter friendly division of parks in the majors. Sandoval is going to destroy in Yankee Stadium.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 25, 2014 12:20:53 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't know AT&T was so pitcher friendly. Makes me a little more excited for Pablo than I was before. Especially since he goes from playing regularly in large parks that for the most part surpress offense to the most hitter friendly division of parks in the majors. Sandoval is going to destroy in Yankee Stadium. Actually he's far more suited to Fenway given he hits the ball in the air to the opposite field a lot more often than he pulls the ball in the air.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 25, 2014 12:22:27 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 14s15 seconds ago #RedSox announce Sandoval signing and DFA Ryan Lavarnway.
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Post by elguapo on Nov 25, 2014 12:25:22 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 14s15 seconds ago #RedSox announce Sandoval signing and DFA Ryan Lavarnway. Here's hoping he blossoms with the A's as a 1b/DH.
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 25, 2014 13:12:57 GMT -5
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Post by nexus on Nov 25, 2014 13:33:10 GMT -5
So it becomes a $12M dollar decision to pick up the option in 2020. Overall, still a slight overpay, but reasonable and he could be a serviceable DH in 2020. He'll only be 33 for much of that season.
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Post by nomar on Nov 25, 2014 13:44:16 GMT -5
The thing about Adrian Beltre is that in Seattle he mashed away from Safeco. Sandoval hasn't been significantly better on the road. His numbers will improve from the change of teams but it's unlikely he takes the next Beltre-like jump.
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Post by mgoetze on Nov 25, 2014 13:47:21 GMT -5
The good news is that the $95m figure already includes the buyout.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 25, 2014 13:57:57 GMT -5
...Wow, I didn't know AT&T was so pitcher friendly. Makes me a little more excited for Pablo than I was before. Especially since he goes from playing regularly in large parks that for the most part surpress offense to the most hitter friendly division of parks in the majors. Sandoval is going to destroy in Yankee Stadium. Check out the park factors for ML teams. The bottom 6 in descending order are: - AT&T Park
- Angel Stadium
- Dodger Stadium
- Citi Field
- Petco Park
- Safeco Field
It's not a coincidence that, outside of Citi Field, they're all situated on the West coast. There's a taxonomy to the climate up and down that coast, since the planet rotates west to east. Once the sun goes down, the clear skies lead to radiational cooling, the marine air lifts off the ocean, then it drifts inland - even in relatively dry locations such as San Diego and the Los Angeles area. That marine layer really kills fly balls. It was just a few years back that there were no home runs hit after 8:00 pm in San Diego. Think about that in the context of Adrian Gonzalez. From 2007 to 2010 he averaged 34 HRs per year. He averaged little more than 11 per year at home during that period. That's as good an indication as any of the way offense is suppressed at Petco. It probably cost him 10+ HR's a year.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 25, 2014 13:59:59 GMT -5
...Wow, I didn't know AT&T was so pitcher friendly. Makes me a little more excited for Pablo than I was before. Especially since he goes from playing regularly in large parks that for the most part surpress offense to the most hitter friendly division of parks in the majors. Sandoval is going to destroy in Yankee Stadium. Check out the park factors for ML teams. The bottom 6 in descending order are: - AT&T Park
- Angel Stadium
- Dodger Stadium
- Citi Field
- Petco Park
- Safeco Field
It's not a coincidence that, outside of Citi Field, they're all situated on the West coast. There's a taxonomy to the climate up and down that coast, since the planet rotates west to east. Once the sun goes down, the clear skies lead to radiational cooling, the marine air lifts off the ocean, then it drifts inland - even in relatively dry locations such as San Diego and the Los Angeles area. That marine layer really kills fly balls. It was just a few years back that there were no home runs hit after 8:00 pm in San Diego. Think about that in the context of Adrian Gonzalez. From 2007 to 2010 he averaged 34 HRs per year. He averaged little more than 11 per year at home during that period. That's as good an indication as any of the way offense is suppressed at Petco. It probably cost him 10+ HR's a year. Aren't all the parks much bigger though? Why don't they adjust the fences? Why do they all have foul ground that is larger than Fenway's LF?
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 25, 2014 14:16:13 GMT -5
So for AAV you'd add the signing bonus, 5 years of salaries plus the 5m buy out then divide by 5, right? That makes his AAV 15.83, which is pretty low.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 25, 2014 14:18:49 GMT -5
So for AAV you'd add the signing bonus, 5 years of salaries plus the 5m buy out then divide by 5, right? That makes his AAV 15.83, which is pretty low. Not sure how you got this figure. You divide by 5.
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Post by kevfc89 on Nov 25, 2014 14:24:48 GMT -5
Hey all, long time lurker, first time posting. Did anyone else catch some of the tweets after the Pablo press conference.
@brianmac John Farrell pointed to numerous power bats in the lineup, including "Yoenis Cespedes in either center or right."
Speier tweeted as well that the Sox have talked to Yoenis about right or center and he's open to playing either one. What does this mean for Betts? Would we really run an outfield out there with Hanley in left, Cespedes in right? If we trade Mookie, I'm going to cry...
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Post by chavopepe2 on Nov 25, 2014 14:27:30 GMT -5
It means we want teams to think we're not desperate to move Cespedes.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 25, 2014 14:30:34 GMT -5
Yeah. Cespedas has a sign of for Sale while a guy next to him is yelling not for sale.
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