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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 27, 2012 12:59:43 GMT -5
OK, so we've got a bunch of conversations about what the Sox should do this offseason going on here, but I think we can all agree that this is all interconnected to some degree. So let's figure it out here. In your post, answer the following questions BRIEFLY. Also, don't post comments on others (unless you're using it to contrast your idea) - just put your plan on the table. Maybe we can start another thread for that. But for this, let's just get the plans out - might be a fun thing to revisit in February. Assumptions: David Ortiz re-signs for 2 years at, say, $24M. I don't think the money really matters given how much room the team has, but maybe it will. Also, although we're going to leave everything on the table here, make sure your trades or FA signing money make sense. No trading a pu pu platter of minor league chaff for Justin Verlander please. If a team is trading the Red Sox someone who hasn't been rumored to be on the block, explain why they'd do so. 1) What do you do to shore up the rotation? Who would you go after, how much would you offer, etc.? Would you try to go after someone in a trade? Does the club need an ace? A #3? Just help on the back end? 2) What do you do at first base? Go with an internal option? FA? Trade? 3) What do you do at shortstop? Do you stick with Iglesias? Do you make him compete with Ciriaco and De Jesus? Trade for someone? 4) What do you do in the outfield? Do you re-sign Cody Ross? What do you do with Ellsbury? Who's in left? 5) After all that, give us your ideal 25-man entering the year (you can copy and paste the following to make sure you get everyone): C 1B 2B 3B SS LF CF RF DH B B B B SP SP SP SP SP RP RP RP RP RP RP RP 6) Oh, and while you're at it, who would you protect from the Rule 5 Draft? By the way, our good friends over at Over the Monster have a great "Armchair GM" series they do that is worth a read if you want some ideas. And yes, this idea is basically ripped off from them. LinkGood luck! And don't feel like you need to constrain yourselves by what I've done above. Also, bonus points for avoiding the use of the word "we" in reference to the Red Sox. (Was going to make this all use of the first person, but I guess "I" would be appropriate since this is what you would do)
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 27, 2012 13:27:50 GMT -5
Elguapo started a thread on the same subject in the Trade Proposal Subforum. Some good ideas and potential lineups.
He did not cover Rule 5 candidates, however.
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Post by mainesox on Oct 27, 2012 13:48:46 GMT -5
First I'd offer Anibal Sanchez 4/60, dump Lackey on anyone who'd take him (even if it meant eating his contract and getting organizational filler in return), and put Morales in the rotation for good.
Then I'd try to get Swisher at 5/85, and Napoli at 2/20. If they both sign I'd put Swisher in RF and Napoli at 1B/backup catcher; if Napoli doesn't sign I'd put Swisher at 1B; if neither signs I'd go Loney/Gomez at 1B and Kalish in RF.
Iglesias would be my SS.
I'd re-sign Ross at 3/21 and play him in LF
I'd also sign Jose Molina to be the backup C if Tampa doesn't pic up his option, and trade Saltalamacchia.
C - Lavarnway 1B - Napoli 2B - Pedroia 3B - Middlebrooks SS - Iglesias LF - Ross CF - Ellsbury RF - Swisher DH - Ortiz
B - Ciriaco B - De Jesus B - Sweeney B - Molina
SP - Lester SP - Buchholz SP - Sanchez SP - Doubront SP - Morales
RP - Bailey RP - Bard RP - Tazawa RP - Miller RP - Melancon RP - Breslow RP - Hill
I might switch Ross and Swisher, so I'd have Ross in RF and Swisher in LF; I'm not exactly sure which way I'd prefer it yet.
And I'd protect Butler, Vazquez, Webster, and Wilson.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 27, 2012 14:05:29 GMT -5
Sounds like lots of fun Chris!!
HERE is my 25 man roster:
C Lavarnway 1B Justin Morneau 2B Pedroia 3B Middlebrooks SS Iglesias LF Ross CF Ellsbury RF Torii Hunter DH Ortiz
B Saltalamaccia ** B Kalish B Ivan DeJesus B Jerry Sands
SP Lester SP Buchholz SP Doubront SP Lackey SP Brandon McCarthy
RP Andrew Bailey RP Tazawa RP Craig Breslow RP Andrew Miller RP Franklin Morales RP Aceves ** RP Mark Melancon
I'd sign Brandon McCarthy to be our 3/4. I would like to sign him for 2 year/$10 million (total) contract possibly with an option. I believe Morneau is definitely someone the Twins would like to move so Mauer can play first more and to get rid of his $14 million contract (he is a free agent in 2014). If Morneau comes back to his pre-injury form, I'd like him to be extended for 2 years (say $10 million per year). The players we could offer for Morneau are: Ryan Sweeney, Pedro Ciriaco, and Stolmy Pimentel.
The TWO players I've checked (**) I would be fine moving. Not much of an Aceves fan, but Farrell may be able to get a lot out of him. He would be our spot starter also. De La Rosa, Webster, Wright, and Workman gives us some decent depth at Pawtucket. Rubby, especially, may push someone "hard". As for Salty, I'd love to see the Red Sox replace him with a much stronger defensive catcher who calls a good game.
I like Josh Fields, Alex Wilson, Christian Vazquez, and Michael Olmsted to be protected and placed on the 40-man roster. I may have to place Dan Butler on some how.
All in all......I like what 2014 brings. I don't see us making BIG changes and going crazy signing highly priced free agents or trading any of our TOP prospects.
Even so my changes are not dramatic, this team, if healthy, COULD compete for a wild card next season.
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Post by dcri on Oct 27, 2012 14:59:29 GMT -5
This is my first post since we moved from Columbia, MD to Portland, OR last week. We're still unpacking and adjusting and so there has been little time for anything else. However, this is a great topic. So here is my somewhat truncated proposal.
I haven't put any dollar figures in because I think the Sox should spend what it takes to upgrade the starting pitching and that the rest of my signings should not break the bank.
Sign three SPs, prime targets, Sanchez, Peavy and Jackson. Pay what it takes.
Sign Youk for 1B 2 years
Swisher or Susuki for OF 1 year, both if Ellsbury traded
Sign Ortiz and Ross 2 years
Sign to long term deal or trade Ellsbury
1B Youk
2B Pedroia
3B Middlebrooks
SS Iglesias
RF Swisher or Susuki
CF Ellsbury or Susuki LF Ross
C Lavarnway
DH Ortiz
B Ciriaco
B Sweeney or Nava
B Gomez or Sands
B Salty
SP Peavy
SP Sanchez
SP Jackson
SP Lester
SP Buchholz
SP/RP Doubront
RP Bailey
RP Bard
RP Morales
RP Breslow
RP Tazawa
RP Mortenson
Lineup:
Ellsbury or Susuki CF Pedroia 2B Ortiz DH Youk 1B Swisher RF Middlebrooks 3B Ross LF Lavarnway C Iglesias SS
The Sox have several very promising minor leaguers about a year or two away from the majors, and a couple more two or three years away. They should not be traded. This lineup makes the Sox very competitive for the next couple of years. I believe Youk will make a big comeback somewhere. Why not Boston?
The Sox are weak in pitching prospects and all of their starters now are suspect. Major surgery is needed here. And what we should know by now is that more than five SPs are needed for a team to be competitive. No need to add any new RPs. Much more right-handed lineup, but with a LH OF backup.
I'd like to see Olmstead given a chance to compete, so he should be protected. Also Webster. It's a toss up on the others.
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Post by raftsox on Oct 27, 2012 15:24:07 GMT -5
1) As much as I hate to say it, I wouldn't actively persue any pitchers. The only avenue I would look down is with the Phillies for one of Lee or Halladay. Since I doubt that would happen I don't have a reasonable offer.
2) Napoli or VMart (for whom I would trade any number of relievers and one high upside A baller)
3) Iglesias, backup INF is Ciriaco (to only play as a defensive replacement or pinch runner!)
4) Sign Torii Hunter for LF, 2 years 18-22MM. CF Ellsbury plays the year out; his results will determine whether he's kept, traded mid-season or left to walk. RF I would keep Sweeney and try to re-sign Ross for 2-3 years at 5-7MM.
5) After all that, give us your ideal 25-man entering the year (you can copy and paste the following to make sure you get everyone):
C - Lavarnway 1B - Napoli 2B - Pedroia 3B - Middlebrooks SS - Iglesias LF - Hunter CF - Ellsbury RF - Ross DH - Ortiz
B - Saltalamacchia B - Ciriaco B - Sweeney B - Sands
SP - Lester SP - Buccholz SP - Doubront SP - Lackey SP - De La Rosa with a plan to pitch only ~150 innings. Working people like Webster, Workman, Stewart, etc. in throughout.
RP - Bard RP - Morales RP - Wilson RP - Tazawa RP - Bailey RP - Melancon RP - Miller
6) Christian Vazquez, Alex Wilson, Allen Webster, Steven Wright
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Post by soxcentral on Oct 27, 2012 15:47:21 GMT -5
1) What do you do to shore up the rotation? Who would you go after, how much would you offer, etc.? Would you try to go after someone in a trade? Does the club need an ace? A #3? Just help on the back end?
Add one good starter for quality depth, but don't overstock veterans when we have so many potential in-house solutions (De La Rosa, Webster, Barnes, Morales, etc) that could fill big roles over the next 2 years.
I target Anibal Sanchez for a 3 or 4 year deal at reasonable money, $13-$15 min per.
Bailey starts as my closer but I predict a change to Tazawa or a resurgent Bard at some point in 2013.
No upgrades to the pen, we have quality lefties to compete for late innings and plenty of long relief candidates. Mortensen is my first choice for long relief but any number of others (Carpenter, Beato, Stewart, etc) could emerge in spring training or beyond to change that.
2) What do you do at first base? Go with an internal option? FA? Trade?
I am looking to flip Aceves and Melancon plus more for 1B help. I like the Ike Davis idea, guessing we need to add a good prospect on top of Aceves/Melancon for that.
3) What do you do at shortstop? Do you stick with Iglesias? Do you make him compete with Ciriaco and De Jesus? Trade for someone?
Iglesias with Ciriaco/DeJesus battling for back up. No upgrades here until we see if Iglesias can play in the majors or not. Same goes for Lavarnway while we’re at it, move Salty and get a veteran backup.
4) What do you do in the outfield? Do you re-sign Cody Ross? What do you do with Ellsbury? Who's in left?
Sign Ross and Torii Hunter, keep Ellsbury who I think would be undervalued in a trade right now. Unless he is completely down on staying in Boston I don’t see why he couldn’t slide to LF eventually if/when JBJ forces a move. Ross covers RF until Bogaerts/Brentz/Kalish move him to a utility role.
5) After all that, give us your ideal 25-man entering the year (you can copy and paste the following to make sure you get everyone):
C - Lavarnway 1B – Ike Davis 2B - Pedroia 3B - Middlebrooks SS - Iglesias LF –T Hunter CF - Ellsbury RF - Ross DH - Ortiz
B – Y Torrealba B – Ciriaco/DeJesus B – Nava/Kalish B - Sands/Gomez
SP - Lester SP - Buchholz SP - A Sanchez SP - Doubront SP - Lackey/Morales
RP - Bailey RP - Tazawa RP - Breslow RP - Bard RP - A Miller RP – R Hill RP – Mortensen/Morales
Lineup Ellsbury Pedroia Ortiz Ross I Davis WMB T Hunter Lavarnway Iglesias
Key to the whole plan is we add solid veterans around potential in-house solutions while preserving our financial flexibility for now. Wait to see who emerges, some will and some won’t, then spend money for 2014+ to upgrade positions our cheaper solutions fail to hold down.
6) Oh, and while you're at it, who would you protect from the Rule 5 Draft?
Vasquez, Webster, and A Wilson, possibly Fields/Huntzinger too if there are spots left.
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Post by ck on Oct 27, 2012 15:59:46 GMT -5
C- Lavarnway 1B- Berkman- 1 yr 4-5 mil with incentives for games played 2B- Pedroia 3B- Middlebrooks SS- Iglesias LF- Ross- would like a 2 yr, but think he will get longer offers on the open market so we probably overpay 3/24 CF- Ellsbury RF- Hunter- takes a relative discount to play with Ortiz 2/15 with mutual option DH- Ortiz
B- Kalish B- Torrealba- 1yr 2-3 mil B- De Jesus B- Sands
SP- Lester SP- Buccholz SP- Haren (2/24) SP- Doubront SP- Lackey
RP- Bailey RP- Melancon RP- Morales RP- Bard RP- Miller RP- Hill RP- Breslow
40 man: Removed Matsuzaka, Saltalamacchia (traded for Low/High A lottery pick), Aceves (not satisfied with the role he's best at which is the rubber arm middle reliever- traded for low minors depth), Sweeney, Padilla, Atchinson (re-signed to MiL deal), Cook, Nava (resigned to MiL deal), Podsednick, Loney, Beato, Carpenter After 25 man additions, 40 man is at 34. Add Wilson, Webster, Vazquez, Fields, Olmstead
Leaving 1 spot open to play with if need be.
C- Sell high on Salty for a lottery pick minor leaguer and bring in a solid defensive C like Torrealba. 1B- I think Berkman could be a steal (price vs production). Might not be ready for opening day leaving Gomez vs Sands battle for playing time until Berkman is ready. SS- Time to find out if Iglesias is Rey Ordonez or Ozzie Smith. Let him work with the ML coaching staff. We know he can field well enough, which gives him some leeway, but time for him to sink or swim. OF- I like Torii Hunter as a nice OF placeholder for a couple years. Good clubhouse presence/leader for a young-ish team and is still capable of putting up some decent numbers. Ross I think is going to be a hot commodity this off-season and we will have to over-pay by a year to keep him. Ellsbury I'd like to keep for now and look into signing long term for a fair price. If Boras is being unreasonable, then he's a trade chip at the deadline with JBJ on the horizon. SP- Lester and Buc bounce back to form like they were when Farrell was here before. Haren convinced to sign early in free agency before the outrageous contracts for other starters of his ilk are signed. Doubront slots in and no takers for Lackey and his contract so he gets the 5th slot by default. Depth is the LA kids: De La Rosa and Webster, and whatever MiL free agent depth we sign RP- surprisingly LH heavy at the major league level with a lot of RH depth at the minor league level
Batting order: Ellsbury, Pedroia, Berkman, Ortiz, Hunter, Ross, Lavarnway, Middlebrooks, Iglesias with slots 3 and 5-8 interchangeable based on who is hot
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Post by soxin8 on Oct 27, 2012 20:45:21 GMT -5
Revisit Iglesias for Justin Upton which Gammons said was discussed in the summer. If X doesn't claim the job in March, I look to have him in Boston by July. One SP, either Peavy, Haren, Sanchez, or McCarthy. First base options are Matt Adams, Ike Davis, Napoli or Youk depending on acquisition cost.
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Post by soxin8 on Oct 27, 2012 20:54:42 GMT -5
Rule 5 draft protect Stroup, Wilson, Fields, and Olmstead. Resign Wright.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Oct 27, 2012 22:01:45 GMT -5
1) What do you do to shore up the rotation? Who would you go after, how much would you offer, etc.? Would you try to go after someone in a trade? Does the club need an ace? A #3? Just help on the back end?
Sign Anibal Sanchez to a 4 year/$52M deal with a 5th year $15M club option, $3M buyout. Trade Ellsbury and Sweeney to the Giants in exchange for Tim Lincecum (both are buy-low candidates, plus the Giants save over $12M which they could use to bring back Pence)
2) What do you do at first base? Go with an internal option? FA? Trade?
Royals need pitching, so trade Lester and Aceves to KC in exchange for Alex Gordon and Eric Hosmer.
3) What do you do at shortstop? Do you stick with Iglesias? Do you make him compete with Ciriaco and De Jesus? Trade for someone?
I'm sticking with Iglesias, give him the year to see what we have.
4) What do you do in the outfield? Do you re-sign Cody Ross? What do you do with Ellsbury? Who's in left?
Ellsbury traded, Ross let go. I sign Torii Hunter to a 1 year/$10M deal with 2nd year club option ($1.5M buyout). Melky Cabrera signed to a 1 year/$6M pillow contract.
I also sign Ortiz to a 2 year/$26M contract.
I trade Bard and Salty to the Mariners in exchange for John Jaso and Carter Capps.
5) After all that, give us your ideal 25-man entering the year (you can copy and paste the following to make sure you get everyone):
C Ryan Lavarnway (vs LHP) 1B Eric Hosmer 2B Dustin Pedroia 3B Will Middlebrooks SS Jose Iglesias LF Alex Gordon CF Melky Cabrera RF Torii Hunter DH David Ortiz
B John Jaso (vs RHP) B Jerry Sands B Ryan Kalish B Ivan Dejesus
SP Tim Lincecum SP Anibal Sanchez SP Clay Buchholz SP John Lackey SP Felix Doubront
RP Andrew Bailey RP Junichi Tazawa RP Andrew Miller RP Carter Capps RP Alex Wilson RP Craig Breslow RP Scott Atchinson
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 28, 2012 19:48:17 GMT -5
My main premise would be don't sacrifice the future for 2013. I wouldn't let Lucchino BS the public. The Sox are rebuilding and they need to do it the right way and if it takes two or three years, so be it. Those same fans complaining in 2013 will be happy in 2016.
The goal is to build a team capable of winning 95 games per year. The chance to win the Series is much better that way than trying to catch lightning in a bottle with an 88 win team. As a matter of fact the Sox have been to the World Series 6 times since 1946, and each of those teams won at least 95 games except the 1967 Sox who won 92 during a year of rare parity in the AL at that time.
That said, I'd try to make short-term improvements at a low cost. The Sox need a starting pitcher. I would not give out a 3 year deal to any of the pitchers. Sanchez will command more than 3 and I'm not a huge fan of Jackson despite the numbers being thrown out to the contrary. He's an innings eater who will be expensive and can be replaced by the innings eaters coming up thru the system in the next couple of years.
My hope would be that Lohse would be willing to take two years, maybe at $28 million, but if he isn't then this year, I'd wait to see who becomes the Kuroda of 2013. That will mean waiting out the market.
My penciled rotation is: Lester, Buchholz, Doubront, Lackey, and Morales with De La Rosa in the wings and pitcher X to be determined and another depth type signing who can be stashed in AAA.
Tazawa would become my primary setup man to Bailey. Breslow and Miller he lefties with Atchison a primary righty. I don't believe the Sox will get anything from Bard as I believe his Steve Blass disease will be incureable. I also wouldn't bring back Aceves unless he's willing to accept his 2011 bullpen role, which I doubt he would.
I'd trade Ellsbury if the value exceeds his 2013 season and the draft pick he'd bring back. If not, I'd have to keep him.
I would trade Salty (hopefully to the Mets for Ike Davis, but I don't foresee the Mets doing that deal), so I'd have to look elsewhere. I'd target at least a reliable bullpen arm for him. Lavarnway would catch and I'd hope David Ross can spell him or take a chance on Brian McCann.
SS is a tough position. I'd take the offensive hit with Iglesias in the hopes that if he's Ray Oyler at SS, that Bogaerts can take over SS later in the year.
I'd re-sign Cody Ross to 3 years $21 million, but if he wants much more than that, I'd be happy to let him walk and take my chances with Kalish. Ideally Ross would be in LF with Hunter in RF, but if it's too much money or years for either, I would offer a long look at Sands in LF. He's never had a real chance before. I know his numbers are inflated in AAA, but Fenway has a way of inflating numbers, too. Ask Cody Ross.
1b is a position I'd hope I can make a reasonable deal with the Twins for Morneau. I'd look for a one or two season stop gap and hope Travis Shaw continues his progress.
I look over my team and I'm not very impressed. At best case scenario my team wins 85 and more likely wins 75 games and people aren't happy.
It's alright, because before long, I'll have De La Rosa, Barnes, and Webster entering the rotation with Owens hopefully knocking on the door. Hopefully I drafted a strong pitcher with the #7 pick in the draft, and before long, I'll have an IF of Shaw, Pedroia, Bogaerts, and Middlebrooks (knowing that Bogaerts will wind up in LF before long with Marrero at SS).
I'll have Brentz in RF and Bradley in CF, with Ross in LF until Bogaerts takes his spot. I'll also hang onto Cechini as I think he'll be ultimately better than Middlebrooks who could be trade bait to get more pitching help.
And when Felix Hernandez becomes available, I'd have enough money to make a legit run at him that could match or even exceed the Yankees' offer.
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Post by dmaineah on Oct 29, 2012 11:06:37 GMT -5
Sign/Extend;
Jacoby Ellsbury 5yrs for $80 mil with 2 mutual options @ $16 mil each
Free Agent Signings;
Josh Hamilton 3 yrs for $75 mil with a team option for a 4th yr @ $20 mil David Ortiz 1 yr for $14 mil with an automatically vested 2nd year option @ $14 mil based on health/production Cody Ross 2 yrs for $15 mil with a team option for a 3rd yr @ $8 mil Anibal Sanchez 3yrs for $50mil with 2 team options @ $17 mil each
Trade;
Xander Bogaerts, Jackie Bradley JR, Garrin Cecchini, Mark Melancon & Brandon Workman For Prince Fielder.
I think Detroit makes this trade because they will need to reduce payroll, want to keep Cabrera and move him off 3B and they have Victor Martinez returning. They still need to find a 3B to play for a couple of years but that's not my problem I'm giving them a lot to acquire a middle of the order bat to play 1B.
Trading Aviles for Farrell (which i was against trading away any player for a MGR) facilitates the need for 1 more trade.
I have Oakland pick up the $10 mil dollar option on Stephen Drew and trade Aceves & Hazelbaker for him. I would include De Jesus or Ciriaco if I needed to. I don't think they can afford to pick up the option on Drew so they look to move him. I give them a Pitcher under their control to 2 more years + an OF to compete for a roster spot.
Line Up;
Ellsbury Pedroia Fielder Hamilton Ortiz Middlebrooks Drew Ross Salty
Buchholz Lester Lackey Doubront Sanchez
Morales Miller Breslow Mortenson Tazawa Bard Bailey
Ciriaco De Jesus Sweeney Lavarnway
Protect/add to 40 Man Roster:
Webster Wilson Fields Vazquez
Sign as Minor League Free agent & add to 40 Man Roster:
Olmsted
On the 40 man roster & in the minors;
Webster De La Rosa Wilson Olmsted Fields Britton Pimentel Stewart Beato Rosario (Chris) Carpenter
Vazquez Sands Iglesias Kalish
Waive - David Carpenter
Try to sign Steven Wright, Nelson Figueroa, Rich Hill, Scott Atchison, Danny Valencia, Mario Gomez & Daniel Nava to Minor League Deals
I think this team contends for a playoff spot & at the trade deadline I try to acquire an "Ace" from someone who is looking to deal. King Felix or Halladay?
I also look to trade one of De Jesus or Ciriaco & Bullpen Arms for other positional team depth.
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Post by alapierre on Oct 29, 2012 16:16:47 GMT -5
1) What do you do to shore up the rotation? Who would you go after, how much would you offer, etc.? Would you try to go after someone in a trade? Does the club need an ace? A #3? Just help on the back end?
*Depending on the status of Hamilton in TEX, I imagine he won't return, then I explore a trade for Derek Holland. I offer the Rangers Ellsbury, Salty and Pimentel for Holland. That gives the Rangers an upgrade at C and CF for 1 year and Pimentel could develop into a reliable bullpen guy. In return the Sox pickup a cost controlled lefty with promise.
2) What do you do at first base? Go with an internal option? FA? Trade? * I trade Aceves to DET for old friend Victor Martinez. Victor gives us a two year stop gap to figure out where guys like Shaw, Bogaerts and Middlebrooks slot in the near future.
3) What do you do at shortstop? Do you stick with Iglesias? Do you make him compete with Ciriaco and De Jesus? Trade for someone? * Sink or swim time for Iglesias.
4) What do you do in the outfield? Do you re-sign Cody Ross? What do you do with Ellsbury? Who's in left?
*With Ellsbury gone I'd approach Victorino on a 2 year 20 mil deal with an option for a third year. * Resign Ross for a similar deal if possible. If he rejects then I sign Hunter for a 2 year 20 mil deal. * Kalish takes over left with Sands as a possible platoon option.
5) After all that, give us your ideal 25-man entering the year (you can copy and paste the following to make sure you get everyone):
C: Lavarnway 1B: Martinez 2B: Pedroia 3B: Middlebrooks SS: Iglesias LF: Kalish CF: Victorino RF: Hunter/Ross DH: Ortiz 2 year 27 mil
B: David Ross 1 year 6mil B Sands B Ciriaco B Sweeney
SP Lester SP Buchholz SP Holland SP Lackey SP Doubront
RP Bailey RP Tazawa RP Miller RP Breslow RP Morales RP Melancon RP Bard
Final Thoughts: *This team runs at its best when it exposes the market for deals (Ortiz, Beltre, Ross) and identifies its own talent and effeciently signs those players to team friendly deals. I see no need to overpay for players like Swisher, Upton, Sanchez or Bourn who will likely never meet the expectations of their big pay days. As poorly as this year went I feel as if the Punto trade gave them the option to break stride and get away from several years of mediocrity. I mean look at the Yankees, theyll be saddled with the likes of Rodriguez, Jeter, and Teixeira for years to come and those players will hardly produce at the level of their paycheck. Id rather have financial flexibility, produce some home grown talet and if the oppurtunity presents itself pickup star players who have outgrown their small market teams.
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Post by baseballguy350 on Oct 29, 2012 17:27:22 GMT -5
1) I am one of the few in my group of friends that truly believes that Lackey will be a great #4 behind Lester, Buchholz, and Doubront. I think he can eat innings, and provide a 4.25 ERA, which would be better than the average 4th starter. I'd say go internally with the young guys, and see if de la Rosa or Webster could stick at #5.
2) I'd love to see a trade with Seattle for Justin Smoak. Home/Road OPS splits make me want to see what happens at Fenway.
3) Iglesias sticks at short with Ciriaco as the super-utility.
4) I'd like to see Ross on a 3 year deal, Ellsbury, and Sweeney. I envision 2013(maybe 2014 too) as a bridge year to 2014 and beyond. I'd take the first 2 months to evaluate Ellsbury and the team hard. If Ellsbury is performing well, and the team is not, dish him at the deadline.
5) C Lavarnway 1B Smoak 2B Pedroia 3B WMB SS Iglesias LF Ross CF Ellsbury RF Sweeney DH Ortiz
B Salty B Ciriaco B Sands B Kalish
SP Lester SP Buhcholz SP Doubront SP Lackey SP Webster (My gut is that Webster will stick over De La Rosa)
RP Bailey RP Melancon RP Bard RP Tazawa RP Morales RP Wilson RP Breslow
6) Wilson, Webster, Vazquez, Feilds
Everyday I'm becoming more and more okay with the idea of 2013 being the rebuilding (bridge) year to 2014 and beyond.
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Post by sdsoxfan on Oct 29, 2012 22:55:04 GMT -5
First I'd try to trade for Josh Johnson or offer $12-15 AAV on two year deal to either Peavy or Haren.
Then I'd try to trade for Justin Upton and one of Morneau/Davis or Morales for first base assuming the prospect demands going the other way was reasonable/fair.
I'd then sign Napoli for 2/20 and try to sign Hunter for 2/$24
Iglesias would be my SS unless Stephen Drew we're available for 2 year pillow contract.
If we can't get Upton then I'd re-sign Ross at 2/14.
Saltalamacchia, Kalish, Nava and anyone not top 3 prospect or Owens is available as part of trades.
C - Napoli 1B - Morneau 2B - Pedroia 3B - Middlebrooks SS - Iglesias LF - Hunter CF - Ellsbury RF - Upton DH - Ortiz
B - Ciriaco B - De Jesus B - Sweeney B - Lavarnway
SP - Johnson SP - Lester SP - Buchholz SP - Doubront SP - Lackey
RP - Bailey RP - Bard RP - Tazawa RP - Miller RP - Morales RP - Wilson RP - Hill
Total New Acquisition Cost. $56 for 2013.
Johnson $14 Upton - $10 Hunter - $12 Morneau - $10 (Twins pay $4 or Sox give less prospects) Napoli -$10
Would put Sox at $150m or so with no long term commitments past 2014 when prospects are ready. If Upton, Morneau are successful in Boston could extend.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Oct 30, 2012 1:21:29 GMT -5
Due to the most recent collective bargaining agreement i see no reason to make this a complete 'bridge' year. Any money not spent will either be used to make the owners richer or it would be invested in further improvements to Fenway.
That being said - I don't want to see any longer-term pieces traded for short term gains.
1. Edwin Jackson, Brandon McCarthy or Jake Peavy on a 2 year deal would fill the last rotation spot well. Aside from Grienke (who may not be able to handle Boston) or and expensive, there isn't an ace sitting around ready to be plucked. So let's take a flyer on a youngish former Ace who is on down times and out-of-favor with his organization a.k.a. Tim Lincecum.
The one year year 22mil deal is a lot for a RP/5th starter who isn't in your long term plans. But Boston has cash to burn so let's try and offer a package of Ellsbury, Aceves, Marrero/Vinicio and Shaw for Lincecum and Belt (who the Giants don't seem completely enthralled with - this also allows Posey to play more 1B). With a cost controlled 1B/LF Shaw is no longer necessary and Vinicio/Marrero are slightly logjammed and superfluous. The draft picks between Ellsbury and Lincecum should balance out; assuming they both walk.
2. See 1. Let Gomez and Sands fight for the RHH 1B/LF spot to compliment Belt.
3. Iglesias competing with Ciricao and De Jesus seems pointless to me as the organization's commitment is already to Iglesias. If they aren't going after Andrus - then Iglesias is the man.
Ciricao and De Jesus will compete for the utility role
4. Making a deal with Ellsbury scares me as I feel there's a 90% chance it will be a bad idea long term. If he was willing to go 4-5 at 14mil per then I would consider it. But I don't see that happening.
Give Ross a 2yr 15-16 mil deal as he is a proven lefty masher who also hits righties well enough at Fenway. If he wants more money or years then Torii Hunter would be a nice plan B.
Give the kids a chance with one of the spots with Kalish, Nava (alright - not a kid) and Linares (also not a kid) fighting it out. If they are both looking like poor choices then Sweeney is a solid, but unsexy, fallback until someone else is ready to replace him.
For the last spot I would go after Hamilton/Bourn. Hamilton at 4yr 90mil and Bourn for 4 and 56mil. I would be willing to stretch a little on these numbers but not much as Hamilton is finicky and Bourn may lose his elite defense and base-running as he ages. We could pass and save all of our money for the following year, but I don't see a slew of superior options materializing for next offseason.
C Lavarnway 1B Belt 2B Shaquille O'Neil (assuming Pedey is up for the name change) 3B Middlebrooks SS Dont's call me 'Enrique' Iglesia LF Hamilton CF Kalish RF Ross DH Ortiz
B Gomez/Sands B Ciricao/De Jesus B Sweeney B David Ross (reverse splits)
SP Lester SP Buchholz SP Lincecum SP Lackey (He's been hurt for 3 years - bounce back) SP Doubront
RP Bailey RP Tazawa (Let him compete for a SP spot first though) RP Melancon RP Atchison RP Miller RP Breslow RP Morales (also competing for a SP spot)
6. Butler, Fields, Hazelbaker, Webster, Wilson, Vazquez, Olmstead
Hill: Non-tender. Offer MiL deal Bard: trade Salty: trade Pimentel: trade Beato/Rosario: trade/release
Also - If Iglesias and Middlebrooks are playing well at mid-season, I would move Xander over to 1B where he can concentrate on his offense. I can see him as a GG 1B down the road and his offense should be good enough to hold that spot. With all of our OF prospects I see no reason to throw another one on the list.
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Post by nexus on Oct 30, 2012 10:03:46 GMT -5
1) Make a serious run at Mauer. Probe whether he'd leave his hometown and waive his NTC. My entire offseason idea hinges on the conceivability of this acquisition (Cost: Salty, Swihart, and Jacobs, salary relief)
2) Sign Peavy. Sign Baker.
3) Trade for Ike Davis. (Cecchini, Britton, Montas)
4) Trade for Jose Reyes. (Iglesias, M. Pena, salary relief)
5) Resign Ross. Trade Ellsbury (B prospect return). Put Bradley Jr. in CF. Trade for Choo (Brentz).
C Mauer (6/$138M) 1B I. Davis (1/$3M) 2B Pedroia (3/$31.5M) 3B Middlebrooks (1/$450K) SS J. Reyes (5/$96M) LF Ross (3/$24M) CF Bradley Jr (1/$450K) RF Choo (1/$9M) DH Ortiz (2/$24M)
Total AAV '13: ~$82M
B Lavarnway (1/$450K) B Kalish (1/$450K) B Ciriaco (1/$450K) B Sands (1/$450k)
Total AAV: ~$2M
SP Lester (2/$25M) SP Buchholz (5/$52M) SP Lackey (3/$31M) SP Peavy (3/$42M) SP Doubront (1/$500K)
Total AAV '13: ~$42M
RP Bailey (1/$5M) RP Tazawa (1/$1.2M) RP Breslow (1/$2.5M) RP Atchison (1/$550K) RP Miller (1/$1.4M) RP Baker (1/$2.5M) RP Morales (1/$1.5M)
Total AAV: ~$14.5M
40 Man/Benefits: ~$10M
2013 Opening Day: $150.5M
6) Webster, Wilson, Vazquez, Olmstead
With the exception of Middlebrooks, that proposed lineup would give opposing SPs hell the same way the '03 and '04 teams did. Fill the lineup with high OBP guys and let the rest work itself out. The Sox SP, on paper at least, should be enough to keep them in contention.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 30, 2012 10:31:00 GMT -5
Folks, if you're trading for someone, say who you're trading. Seeing a lot of "trade for player x" with the entire lineup otherwise intact that doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Oct 30, 2012 16:45:26 GMT -5
1) What do you do to shore up the rotation? Who would you go after, how much would you offer, etc.? Would you try to go after someone in a trade? Does the club need an ace? A #3? Just help on the back end?
Sign Jake Peavey for 2 years @ 13 million AAV with third year club option and a 4 million dollar buyout
2) What do you do at first base? Go with an internal option? FA? Trade? Trade: Jarrod Saltalamachia, Alfredo Aceves & Bryce Brentz To the Mets for Ike Davis
3) What do you do at shortstop? Do you stick with Iglesias? Do you make him compete with Ciriaco and De Jesus? Trade for someone? Stick with Iglesias
4) What do you do in the outfield? Do you re-sign Cody Ross? What do you do with Ellsbury? Who's in left? Resign Cody Ross for 2 years @ 8 million AAV w/ third year club option and 2 million buyout Keep Ellsburry and let him walk at the end of the season Trade: Ryan Kalis &, Garin Cecchinni To the Indians for Shin Soo Choo (Sign to a limited extension)
5) After all that, give us your ideal 25-man entering the year (you can copy and paste the following to make sure you get everyone):
C – Ryan Lavarnway 1B – Ike Davis 2B – Dustin Pedroia 3B – Will Middlebrooks SS - Jose Iglesias LF – Cody Ross CF - Jacoby Ellsbury RF – Shin Soo Choo DH – David Ortiz
B – Ivan De Jesus B – Juan Carlos Linares B – Dan Buttler B – Jerry Sands
SP – Jake Peavey SP – Jon Lester SP – Clay Bucholz SP – Felix Doubront SP – John Lackey (Start both Franklin Morales and Rubby in AAA and stretch them out. I believe Morales could be a useful ¾ Starter and should be given a shot to do so before returning to the pen.)
RP - Andrew Bailey RP – Mark Melancon RP – Andrew Miller RP – Junichi Tazawa RP- Daniel Bard (Cross Fingers) RP – Rich Hill RP – Scott
6) Oh, and while you're at it, who would you protect from the Rule 5 Draft? Christian Vazquez, Allen Webster, Alex Wilson, and Josh Fields
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Post by elguapo on Oct 31, 2012 16:19:58 GMT -5
The free agent $ will be determined by the market - I've tried to be conservative. Edit - taking out signings that require compensation.
1) The Sox need starting pitching at the top of the rotation. Ace, #1, #2, whatever. Strongly consider Donald Greinke; I'll say Hiroki Kuroda since it seems the F.O. is not interested in outbidding the Angels. Consider Villanueva or Brett Myers to compete for a rotation/swing spot depending what happens to Morales/Aceves, Lackey's health, etc.
2) Brentz, Salty, A. Miller (or a similar Brentz-centric deal) for Ike Davis. Assuming this is not happening now, I'll go with Youk.
3) SS - Iglesias
4) OF - Trade Ellsbury if you can get value; but I'll assume that doesn't work out. Sign Victorino short term, sign Hamilton.
5)
C Napoli (3x$13) 1B Ike Davis -> Youkilis 2B Pedroia 3B WMB SS Iglesias LF Hamilton (3x$25) -> Nava CF Ellsbury RF Victorino (1x$14, $17M option $3M buyout) DH Ortiz
B Sands B DeJesus B Lavarnway B Kalish
SP Lester SP Buchholz SP Kuroda (2x$14) -> Sanchez 4x$16 SP Lackey SP Doubront
RP/SP Morales RP Bard/Atchison RP Tazawa RP Melancon RP Bailey LHRP Hill LHRP Breslow
6) Rule 5: Webster, Vazquez, Fields, Olmsted Wright, Wilson, Huntzinger
Other 40-man in minors: Pimentel, Britton, C. Carpenter, De La Rosa, Brentz, Bard?, 3 open slots
Gone: Salty, Ciriaco, Stewart, D Carpenter, Rosario, Sweeney, A Miller, Beato, Valencia
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Post by jeremynofakerbaker on Nov 1, 2012 3:00:47 GMT -5
1) What do you do to shore up the rotation? Who would you go after, how much would you offer, etc.? Would you try to go after someone in a trade? Does the club need an ace? A #3? Just help on the back end?
the team will go after these 4 the most
dan haren scott baker anibal sanchez felix hernandez(they never give up so why stop now)
2) What do you do at first base? Go with an internal option? FA? Trade?
youkilis will come back, gomez is the backup
3) What do you do at shortstop? Do you stick with Iglesias? Do you make him compete with Ciriaco and De Jesus? Trade for someone?
trade iglesias along with another high prospect(someone like brentz or pimental)
4) What do you do in the outfield? Do you re-sign Cody Ross? What do you do with Ellsbury? Who's in left?
re sign ross , trade ellsbury to texas for elvis andrus and a starter/prospect package
5) After all that, give us your ideal 25-man entering the year (you can copy and paste the following to make sure you get everyone):
sign hamilton or swisher
C- salty/lavarnway 1B youkilis 2B pedroia 3B middlebrooks SS andrus LF hamilton/swisher CF player geting in return from texas RF ross DH ortiz
B gomez B salty/lavarnway B ciriaco B sweeney
SP lester SP haren SP buccholz SP lackey SP doubront
RP closer tazawa RP su bailey vs rhb RP su hill vs lhb RP atchison RP miller RP breslow RP melancon
protect olmsted please this guys a strike and gas throwing machine
webster vazquez or butler fields wilson ( protect then package in deal to say texas with ellsbury)
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Post by welovewally on Nov 7, 2012 0:00:15 GMT -5
1) What do you do to shore up the rotation? Who would you go after, how much would you offer, etc.? Would you try to go after someone in a trade? Does the club need an ace? A #3? Just help on the back end?
2) What do you do at first base? Go with an internal option? FA? Trade?
3) What do you do at shortstop? Do you stick with Iglesias? Do you make him compete with Ciriaco and De Jesus? Trade for someone?
4) What do you do in the outfield? Do you re-sign Cody Ross? What do you do with Ellsbury? Who's in left?
5) After all that, give us your ideal 25-man entering the year (you can copy and paste the following to make sure you get everyone):
Answers;
1) Sign Anibal Sanchez to whatever it takes to get him. I don't think he is an "ace" but I think he is just as good as Grienke but will be cheaper. 5yrs 80 mil to 100 mil?
2) I don't see a free agent 1B worth signing to a deal be it 1yr or more and I'm not willing to trade anybody other then a utility player or extra bullpen arms & I don't think that will bring back anybody worth while. So I go with Gomez & Sands and take a wait & see approach for at least until the All Star Break.
3) I sign Stephen Drew to a 1yr "Pillow Contract" giving him the opportunity to re establish his value in the same manner Beltre did & start the season with Iglesias in AAA with a eye/decision towards the All Star Break/Trade Deadline.
4) I let the year start with Ellsbury in center and see where we both are at the All Star Break. I sign Cody Ross to a 2yr deal for 16mil with a team option for a third year @8mil and platoon him in RF with Sweeney for 2yrs until Brentz arrives. I sign Delmon Young to a 4yr deal for whatever it takes with a 2yr team option and platoon him in LF with Kalish and he becomes the RH DH after Ortiz is retired in 2yrs.
C Salty 1B Gomez 2B Pedroia 3B Middlebtooks SS Drew LF Young CF Ellsbury RF Ross DH Ortiz
B) Lavarnway B Sands B Ciriaco/De Jesus - Spring training competition. Winner gets the roster spot. B Kalish B Sweeney
SP Buchholz SP Lester SP Sanchez SP Dobrount SP Lackey
RP Morales RP Miller RP Breslow RP Tazawa RP Melancon RP Bailey
I have Bard in the Minors but if he proves to be right during Spring Training I would have to find a spot for him. There seems to be an abundance of RH RPs in the system so I would be looking to move a few along with the looser of the the Ciriaco De Jesus competition during Spring Training if everybody proves to be healthy.
Rule 5 Protection; Allen Webster & Christian Vazquez.
Edit; Spelling & added rule 5
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Nov 7, 2012 9:59:24 GMT -5
I doubt the Sox will start the year without 7 relievers in the pen, I think you're going to have to lose someone off your bench (Sands, Kalish or Sweeney) to make room for another reliever.
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Post by curll on Nov 7, 2012 19:20:12 GMT -5
Buchholz, Barnes, and Brentz to Arizona for Bauer and Upton.
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