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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 15, 2015 1:28:19 GMT -5
Yeah, that trade would be horrendous for the Sox. Giving up way too much (Moncada?! *And* Margot?...not to mention Owens and Johnson?!) for eminently mediocre return. Kimbrel is great, but he's on a market-value deal. Cashner and Quackenbush? No thanks. I could see a single quality prospect and a second lottery ticket (Margot/Chavis, although I don't love it) or Margot/Miley for Kimbrel alone. But SD wants to shed salary...the Sox can do WAY better than gut their upper-level farm for a terrific closer and a couple solid MLBers. Well, it looks like we did a scaled down version of the trade with the Padres. I hate to see Allen go, thought Margot was On his way out, so that was no surprise. Bottom one is we are a better team for 2016 now than at year end. Just got to sign price and use moncada as part of a package for a second ace, No thanks. This guy is going to be a middle of the order hitter for years to come. No reason to trade him. Especially once the Sox do get their ace. |
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Post by justen on Nov 20, 2015 14:21:19 GMT -5
Really good read for Sandoval for Shields advocates on the bad year Shields had. Blames it mostly on loss of velocity paired with home run and walk increase, despite having as many strikeouts as ever. He also mentions probably the most logical idea, a heavy career-workload that is catching up to his arm. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-year-james-shields-was-different/ |
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Post by jdb on Jun 4, 2016 13:51:11 GMT -5
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Post by larrycook on Jun 5, 2016 0:44:09 GMT -5
San diego's team is abut of a mess right now.
I have to think that whatever pitcher we acquired from them would be mentally damaged, but also very relieved to be paroled from that situation.
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Post by dmaineah on Jun 6, 2016 11:53:58 GMT -5
RP Ryan Buchter, 29 Yrs old, 6'4" Left Hander could be a good target.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 6, 2016 15:33:02 GMT -5
RP Ryan Buchter, 29 Yrs old, 6'4" Left Hander could be a good target. Would be a good get. He has recently been "promoted" to the set-up man. Not real young (29) but has good SO/BB numbers & is under control for years. This is probably the kind of guy they need to keep. |
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Post by larrycook on Jun 18, 2016 17:29:18 GMT -5
RP Ryan Buchter, 29 Yrs old, 6'4" Left Hander could be a good target. Would be a good get. He has recently been "promoted" to the set-up man. Not real young (29) but has good SO/BB numbers & is under control for years. This is probably the kind of guy they need to keep. Seems like we line up nicely with San Diego, where we offer a package of prospects for buchter and Pomeranz. I know dombrowski has said no one is untouchable, but in my mind benintendi is as close to untouchable as untouchable gets. Everybody else though can be in play. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 18, 2016 18:53:19 GMT -5
Would be a good get. He has recently been "promoted" to the set-up man. Not real young (29) but has good SO/BB numbers & is under control for years. This is probably the kind of guy they need to keep. Seems like we line up nicely with San Diego, where we offer a package of prospects for buchter and Pomeranz. I know dombrowski has said no one is untouchable, but in my mind benintendi is as close to untouchable as untouchable gets. Everybody else though can be in play. Are you telling me you'd deal Moncada and/or Espinoza for this deal? I wouldn't. |
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Post by larrycook on Jun 18, 2016 23:32:33 GMT -5
Seems like we line up nicely with San Diego, where we offer a package of prospects for buchter and Pomeranz. I know dombrowski has said no one is untouchable, but in my mind benintendi is as close to untouchable as untouchable gets. Everybody else though can be in play. Are you telling me you'd deal Moncada and/or Espinoza for this deal? I wouldn't. Last time I checked, we had many many many prospects in the system. Not sure what we would have to offer San Diego, but every trade does not need to start with our top guys. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 19, 2016 7:04:20 GMT -5
Are you telling me you'd deal Moncada and/or Espinoza for this deal? I wouldn't. Last time I checked, we had many many many prospects in the system. Not sure what we would have to offer San Diego, but every trade does not need to start with our top guys. Highly effective starting pitchers (and Pomeranz has been one this season) will extract a high price in this trade market as the market isn't exactly overflowing with starting pitcher candidates - there's Hill and Teheran for certain, and perhaps Pomeranz, and little else. One of the issues the Sox have had this year is that their secondary trade chips have hit a wall. Most teams dealing a starter want a promising young starter in a deal. If Owens or Johnson were having decent seasons, they'd be good candidates in the type of deal you're talking. Especially, because they'd be near major league ready. How many starters, who aren't career minor leaguers, and are legit prospects, are there that are having good seasons? Wilkerson and Haley are having good seasons, but I doubt they'll be headliners or must gets in a deal. Stankiewicz has been so-so. I'd be surprised to see another team jump on Ball. The Sox have Espinoza, Kopech (despite his issues), and potentially Groome. Lower down they do have Lakins, who has struggled mightily of late and Raudes who'd could be a piece of the deal. If you have a pitcher like Pomeranz pitching lights out, what would you want in return? If you were Preller, which prospect would you want to be the headliner in a deal? |
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Post by bigpapismangosalsa on Jun 19, 2016 8:46:08 GMT -5
I don't think I'd include Moncada, Benintendi, Espinoza or Swihart in a deal for Pomeranz (too many red flags in my opinion) but I could see names like Devers, Kopech, Travis and even Owens being in play for him. In his career, Pomeranz has put up 62 starts with a 4.18ERA, a 1.363WHIP and roughly a 2 k/bb ratio, this includes seasons in Colorado, Oakland and most recently of course, San Diego.
He is already 27 and will be arbitration eligible for 2017 and 2018 before becoming a free agent in 2019. I'm sure that San Diego will start off asking for top tier prospects for him - and they rightly should, but to be fair sellers are going to be somewhat constrained to a couple of teams that are truly "in it" with good farm systems who have a present need for a starting pitcher - at least enough to give up good prospects for a guy with concerns himself, like Pomeranz. Those teams are also unlikely to part with a truly elite prospect, and Preller probably knows that.
At this point, that list is constrained to the Dodgers, Red Sox, Texas, and maybe Cleveland and Kansas City (depending on how you value their prospects relative to guys in the 5-10 range of the first teams mentioned). He should be looked at as a more intersting version of Rich Hill, not as a truly solidified top of the rotation pitcher, and valued as such.
I'd like to acquire him, but if the prices get up in the Devers and above range, I stand down, but I don't think it will get that high for Pomeranz, at least not this year.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2016 11:38:08 GMT -5
I don't see anything that special with Pomeranz. The walks are way too high, his BABIP and HR/FB are too low. His splits are also quite pronounced, so Fenway wouldn't be kind to him when throwing to RHB, especially when facing the AL East and all the big RH power hitters. And he hasn't had anywhere close to a full season of starter innings in his career. His max was 146. That isn't someone I'm even considering giving up one of the top 4 prospects for.
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Post by cto94 on Jun 27, 2016 12:13:43 GMT -5
I'd be real wary of trading for any Padres pitcher unless the track record and peripherals are there. the PETCO (is it still PETCO?) to Fenway transition is not going to do anyone any favors
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2016 14:33:29 GMT -5
If the cost is right Drew Pomeranz should be a target. He is actually pitching better away from PETCO and has handled lefties and righties the same this year. Seems he drastically reduced the amount he throws his fastball, added a cutter and is throwing his curve ball more than every.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2016 15:34:36 GMT -5
If the cost is right Drew Pomeranz should be a target. He is actually pitching better away from PETCO and has handled lefties and righties the same this year. Seems he drastically reduced the amount he throws his fastball, added a cutter and is throwing his curve ball more than every. Or it could be just a blip due to his .229 BABIP vs. RHB this year. His k-rate has skyrocketed vs RHP though, so I'll give you that. I just do not trust that league adjustments regarding advanced pitching stats are accurate anymore due to every single pitcher coming to Fenway (and the AL East in general) and severely underperforming. |
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Post by jmei on Jul 8, 2016 15:47:08 GMT -5
I just do not trust that league adjustments regarding advanced pitching stats are accurate anymore due to every single pitcher coming to Fenway (and the AL East in general) and severely underperforming. That's a pretty big exaggeration. See, e.g., Wade Miley (at least with respect to his peripherals), Marco Estrada, Mark Buehrle, J.A. Happ, Drew Smyly, Brandon McCarthy, etc. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2016 16:10:14 GMT -5
Pomeranz is just pitching lights out this year. Only given up 8 HR, 5 at home in Petco and only 3 away from Petco in one more start. He's also striking out 10.15 batters per 9 innings.
If we can get him and not touch our top 5 we need to do it. Does a package of Travis, Chavis/Dubon and Owens even have a chance? Maybe add a low level upside guy. Petco would be perfect place for Owens to learn how to throw more strikes and become a very good pitcher.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2016 16:25:35 GMT -5
I just do not trust that league adjustments regarding advanced pitching stats are accurate anymore due to every single pitcher coming to Fenway (and the AL East in general) and severely underperforming. That's a pretty big exaggeration. See, e.g., Wade Miley (at least with respect to his peripherals), Marco Estrada, Mark Buehrle, J.A. Happ, Drew Smyly, Brandon McCarthy, etc. I think it has changed very recently. |
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 9, 2016 19:08:24 GMT -5
Pomeranz is just pitching lights out this year. Only given up 8 HR, 5 at home in Petco and only 3 away from Petco in one more start. He's also striking out 10.15 batters per 9 innings. If we can get him and not touch our top 5 we need to do it. Does a package of Travis, Chavis/Dubon and Owens even have a chance? Maybe add a low level upside guy. Petco would be perfect place for Owens to learn how to throw more strikes and become a very good pitcher. Not a chance If Beane had a mulligan it would be Pomeranz |
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Post by telson13 on Jul 9, 2016 23:01:49 GMT -5
Pomeranz is just pitching lights out this year. Only given up 8 HR, 5 at home in Petco and only 3 away from Petco in one more start. He's also striking out 10.15 batters per 9 innings. If we can get him and not touch our top 5 we need to do it. Does a package of Travis, Chavis/Dubon and Owens even have a chance? Maybe add a low level upside guy. Petco would be perfect place for Owens to learn how to throw more strikes and become a very good pitcher. That might be on the right track. SD really doesn't have a use for him, in that their system is still relatively barren and the major league team is bad. They need a talent influx, so getting a 3-4 prospect haul along the lines of Kimbrel, but with a little less upside (because he's a FA at the end of the year) is reasonable. He suppresses exit velocity reasonably well, good curve, not many HR (although that's subject to change in a smaller park). He's still young (27), so the Sox might be willing to give up a little more if he were willing to sign an extension. I'd love to see them do what they can without dipping into the top-5. Pomeranz's cheap contract ($1.35M) means *anyone* can bid, though. |
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Post by ryantoworkman on Jul 10, 2016 0:06:46 GMT -5
Morose reporting Pomerantz is available, Will Myers is not
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 10, 2016 1:51:33 GMT -5
I'd give up Kopech in a deal for Pomerantz. Maybe I'm alone in thinking this.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 10, 2016 1:57:09 GMT -5
I'd give up Kopech in a deal for Pomerantz. Maybe I'm alone in thinking this. I wouldn't, because he's a 3-month rental. If he agreed to an extension in the 5/70 range, I'd have to seriously consider it. But I'd prefer that they do everything they can to avoid that. You can't teach 103 mph. 103 mph. As a starter. 103. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 10, 2016 2:02:15 GMT -5
I'd give up Kopech in a deal for Pomerantz. Maybe I'm alone in thinking this. I wouldn't, because he's a 3-month rental. If he agreed to an extension in the 5/70 range, I'd have to seriously consider it. But I'd prefer that they do everything they can to avoid that. You can't teach 103 mph. 103 mph. As a starter. 103. Pomerantz is controllable through 2019. 2019. |
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Post by telson13 on Jul 10, 2016 3:02:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't, because he's a 3-month rental. If he agreed to an extension in the 5/70 range, I'd have to seriously consider it. But I'd prefer that they do everything they can to avoid that. You can't teach 103 mph. 103 mph. As a starter. 103. Pomerantz is controllable through 2019. 2019. Damn, you're right. I didn't even realize he was 1st-year arb. Still, 103 mph. That's a tough one. I like Pomeranz over Teheran, regardless of the ask. I think he's better suited for success in the AL East (although he won't be putting up a 2.47). Well, it makes me really uncomfortable, because I want to say yes, which means it's probably a very viable trade idea. Dammit. If only there were another way... |
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