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Post by jmei on Dec 10, 2014 23:01:05 GMT -5
All, As we enter another busy offseason, I would like to ask you to please try your best to label which version of WAR you are using. There are significant differences between the Fangraphs version of WAR and the Baseball-Reference version of WAR, especially with regards to pitchers. Those differences are elaborated on here and here. As such, please label which version of WAR you are using-- fWAR for Fangraphs WAR and bWAR or rWAR for Baseball-Reference WAR. Thanks, jmei |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2014 23:18:16 GMT -5
I use ESPN WAR on the players stat page, which version is that?
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Post by jmei on Dec 10, 2014 23:21:04 GMT -5
ESPN looks like it uses the Baseball-Reference version of WAR.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2014 23:49:57 GMT -5
about an hour ago mgoetze said:
RDLR has shown the potential to have 5 game stints of great pitching. Miley has shown the potential to have an entire season of great pitching. He had 3.5 bWAR / 4.4 fWAR in 2012.
ESPN has Miley at 3.3 WAR for 2012. They don't seem to match.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2014 23:51:06 GMT -5
Looked around and ESPN says WAR data provided by Baseball-Reference
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 11, 2014 0:15:29 GMT -5
about an hour ago mgoetze said: RDLR has shown the potential to have 5 game stints of great pitching. Miley has shown the potential to have an entire season of great pitching. He had 3.5 bWAR / 4.4 fWAR in 2012. ESPN has Miley at 3.3 WAR for 2012. They don't seem to match. They don't match. They're calculated differently. Not to be a jerk about it, but you might want to dig a little deeper into what these numbers are actually measuring before you start throwing them around. |
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Post by mgoetze on Dec 11, 2014 3:40:22 GMT -5
Why does b-ref get 2 abbreviations? Can we have an abbreviation for FanGraphs RA9-WAR?
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2014 5:53:07 GMT -5
There are better ways to analyze pitchers than looking at WAR, especially when they're moving from Arizona to Boston.
Buchholz was worth 2.2 fWAR last year. Let's hope Miley pitches at least that well. /snark
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 11, 2014 8:05:40 GMT -5
Let me popularize aWAR for an average of the two. I try to do that for position players.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 11, 2014 9:31:57 GMT -5
When I use WAR us usually go to Fangraphs. I try to cite the source but it's tough to type while I'm driving and trying to hold a drink in the other hand.
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Post by raftsox on Dec 11, 2014 9:36:05 GMT -5
When I use WAR us usually go to Fangraphs. I try to cite the source but it's tough to type while I'm driving and trying to hold a drink in the other hand. HEY, use some care, man! That glass of scotch deserves your full attention. On a serious note: I rarely cite WAR anymore, especially in the case of pitchers as I think fWAR is severely flawed and my work blocks B-R. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 11, 2014 12:44:21 GMT -5
about an hour ago mgoetze said: RDLR has shown the potential to have 5 game stints of great pitching. Miley has shown the potential to have an entire season of great pitching. He had 3.5 bWAR / 4.4 fWAR in 2012. ESPN has Miley at 3.3 WAR for 2012. They don't seem to match. They don't match. They're calculated differently. Not to be a jerk about it, but you might want to dig a little deeper into what these numbers are actually measuring before you start throwing them around. He was saying the ESPN WAR didn't match either of the numbers, not questioning why bWAR and fWAR didn't match.... |
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Post by greenmonstah on Dec 11, 2014 13:22:18 GMT -5
Thank you for saying this. It is frustrating when people don't label their WAR. I look at both bWAR and fWAR, but in my opinion fWAR is better.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2014 14:04:46 GMT -5
Thank you for saying this. It is frustrating when people don't label their WAR. I look at both bWAR and fWAR, but in my opinion fWAR is better. for position players.  I think it gets overused and a little simplistic especially when trying to evaluate trades. For instance, Cespedes is approximately a 3 WAR player, but what is he worth to the Red Sox? Or to a team that doesn't even have a replacement level player in LF? Some things that WAR cannot calculate - players who hit a lot of fly balls to LF moving to Fenway. Ground ball pitchers moving to a park that has artificial turf. Fly ball pitchers moving to Fenway. Plus hundreds of other examples. |
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Post by Smittyw on Dec 11, 2014 14:34:45 GMT -5
There are significant differences between the Fangraphs version of WAR and the Baseball-Reference version of WAR, especially with regards to pitchers. Those differences are elaborated on here and here. Helpful links, thanks. |
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 25, 2015 0:30:23 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 25, 2015 6:17:05 GMT -5
Interesting that Buchholz fell last year from 2.2 to 1.5 fWAR with the changes.
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Post by nomar on Mar 25, 2015 6:25:12 GMT -5
Wasn't Porcello over 3 fWAR? He's at 2.7 now too.
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