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Red Sox acquire RHP Anthony Varvaro for Aaron Kurcz + cash
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Post by okin15 on Dec 18, 2014 17:39:50 GMT -5
It's not necessarily the case that DFAing him hurts their negotiating position. Doing so is essentially the equivalent of auctioning him off with no reserve price. You're committing yourself to moving him, but it might be to your advantage since you're effectively telling the other 29 teams that (a) he's available and (b) other teams have to submit their best offers within a few days. If the player is good enough that you're confident that you're going to get multiple offers for him once you DFA him, you can still get back a solid return by pitting potential acquirers against each other. For a low-profile player, that might be the best way to drum up some interest. Gold star for economic acumen. |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 18, 2014 18:55:33 GMT -5
This stuff has been going on in baseball a long time. Part of the initiation right for moving up in the front office has to involve familiarizing yourself with the ritual dances that developed around the rules. This is one example.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 19, 2014 6:56:48 GMT -5
Interesting, I was wondering why the Pirates waited almost 2 extra weeks to call up Gregory Polanco over the original estimate. If that trend continues, we might not see Swihart or Owens until close to July. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 19, 2014 8:31:41 GMT -5
Interesting, I was wondering why the Pirates waited almost 2 extra weeks to call up Gregory Polanco over the original estimate. If that trend continues, we might not see Swihart or Owens until close to July. Arbitration won't be an issue with either of them. Development in Triple-A on his defense and swing from both sides of the plate will be for Swihart. He has plenty to work on and is unlikely to be beating the door down. August the earliest for him. As for Owens, they've got the five guys in the projected rotation, Workman, Ranaudo, Barnes, Wright, Escobar, and Rodriguez on the 40-man. He'd have to be destroying Triple-A to get a look before the end of the year, or something will have to have gone horribly wrong. And even if he comes up before then, again, if he's sticking in the rotation for long enough to accumulate that much service time, something has gone horribly wrong. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 19, 2014 8:44:00 GMT -5
LOL, arbitration is never an issue, funny how it seems to work out. Agree though that they both need work but I'm not so sure about the August at the earliest part, a lot can happen in a season.
Elaborating.
Swihart. Right now we don't have a backup catcher other than Butler. I'm guessing that won't be the case come opening day but, it's not difficult to envision Swihart as being a better option come July than whatever we pick up.
Owens, It's not difficult to envision him as being the top PawSox pitcher come July. Starters go down all the time and sometimes for a season. Calling Owens up to replace someone isn't exactly a disaster. There's also the possibility that if some of the PawSox pitchers were on a roll that come trade deadline if we're firing on all cylinders and have a chance to move one of our two one year rental starters for an overpay that we'd make that trade.
ADD: I actually think the PawSox pitcher that's closest to ready now is Johnson. Lower ceiling but higher floor than the others, I think he'd do the best out of the box. Him and Owens are not on the 40 man though so that's likely to hold back Johnson since pretty much everyone else is. Johnson's ceiling is such that the team wouldn't likely concern itself with the arbitration clock, only the service time clock.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2014 9:09:42 GMT -5
Owens isn't on the 40 yet, so unless he's tearing up AAA, he might not come up until September to keep his clock from starting. Or maybe I'm confused about when the 6 year clock starts.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 19, 2014 9:15:00 GMT -5
Owens isn't on the 40 yet, so unless he's tearing up AAA, he might not come up until September to keep his clock from starting. Or maybe I'm confused about when the 6 year clock starts. A July call-up would have no effect on either of his clocks because we'd have 6 1/2 years rather than 6 and he wouldn't be super-two eligible. Two clocks, first is service time. You get up to 7 years service time. 6 years and 150 days is exactly the same as 6 years. A player with 5 years and 160 days is no more eligible for free agency than a player with 5 years and 0 days. second clock is arbitration. Players are eligible for arbitration that either have 3 years service time or are in the top 15% of service time that have two years service, hence, super-two. Super-two has nothing to do with the quality of service, only the service time itself. It's usually a concern for better players like polanco because giving them a year earlier arbitration rolls the annual awards and ends up costing many millions, see Ryan Howard. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 19, 2014 10:05:03 GMT -5
Swihart: Why would you call him up to be the backup catcher though? It was different last year when Vazquez became the starter. Unless Vazquez is so horrible that he's getting demoted to backing Swihart up, I find it hard to see a scenario where Swihart is called up that early (obvious exception being injury).
Owens: I don't disagree with what you're saying, but just feel that he'd have to be pitching significantly better than anyone on that list of names I posted to justify knocking someone off of the 40-man. Completely agree that the trade deadline could shake things up... which would be after July and make arb a non-issue. Perhaps the best example from this year is Tommy Layne, who probably was pitching well enough to get the call earlier than he did in early July, but had to wait until the Sox cut bait on Capuano, opening a 40-man spot for him. In order to cut someone loose to add Owens to the 40, the marginal utility of an Owens spot start needs to be that much higher than someone like Ranaudo or Barnes who's already on the 40-man. And the "things go horribly wrong" is my way of saying lots of injuries/ineffectiveness, so I think we agree there.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 19, 2014 10:18:27 GMT -5
I think when Swihart gets the call, him and Vazquez will split time because the majority of pitchers are right handed and Swihart being a switch hitter gives him at least enough leverage to be equal time to start. It's a black box right now because we don't know who the backup catcher is.
It's also not looking like we are going to be as strapped as we were last year in terms of pitchers with options. We should end up with a few relievers with options that would allow for movement which just wasn't there last year, Masterson to the pen for example becomes an option.
ADD: I am guessing that Ben will be looking for a catcher with options. Fedex would otherwise have been an obvious target since the Padres now have 3 catchers but he's out of options. The Padres just traded away half their farm, a player like Coyle should do the trick but then we'd have Swihart blocked unless we were willing to lose Fedex.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 19, 2014 10:49:30 GMT -5
Swihart: Why would you call him up to be the backup catcher though? It was different last year when Vazquez became the starter. Unless Vazquez is so horrible that he's getting demoted to backing Swihart up, I find it hard to see a scenario where Swihart is called up that early (obvious exception being injury). Owens: I don't disagree with what you're saying, but just feel that he'd have to be pitching significantly better than anyone on that list of names I posted to justify knocking someone off of the 40-man. Completely agree that the trade deadline could shake things up... which would be after July and make arb a non-issue. Perhaps the best example from this year is Tommy Layne, who probably was pitching well enough to get the call earlier than he did in early July, but had to wait until the Sox cut bait on Capuano, opening a 40-man spot for him. In order to cut someone loose to add Owens to the 40, the marginal utility of an Owens spot start needs to be that much higher than someone like Ranaudo or Barnes who's already on the 40-man. And the "things go horribly wrong" is my way of saying lots of injuries/ineffectiveness, so I think we agree there. There is a very real chance this happens though. Usually by July somebody is on the 60 day, someone has played his way off the team, and the team needs a spot start. I can see Owens getting the call if he's killing it in Triple-A. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 19, 2014 10:56:15 GMT -5
LOL, we've totally hijacked this thread.
ADD: Above problem solved.
Tim Britton ?@timbritton 2m2 minutes ago
#hottake! MT @brianmacp: Hanigan take: If Swihart is ready by July, Hanigan can be flipped. If not, Hanigan is a capable yearlong backup.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 20, 2014 1:00:49 GMT -5
Good deal for the Sox. Guess Badenhop isn't coming back. I think Varvaro is the pitcher the Braves hope Kurcz becomes.
Varvaro is what the Sox now have left to show for trading Theo away to the Cubs.
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