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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 19, 2014 13:36:01 GMT -5
Hannigan is RHH, but a solid backup and mentor to Vasquez. At least Ben did not have to go back again to the 38 yr. old Ross and his anemic BA.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2014 13:37:25 GMT -5
I guess that's that for Butler. Or the Sox feel he needs more seasoning in AAA. I really thought it was Vasquez show and Butler like 40 games. Vasquez isn't a old veteran that kid can play a lot of games. I don't know how that sits with this guy there gonna get from The Padres. They want to keep Butler as depth I'd guess to have a 3rd catcher before they had to rely on Swihart. He's probably better off getting a lot of games in AAA than being called up to be a backup if anyone gets hurt.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 19, 2014 13:39:50 GMT -5
Hannigan is RHH, but a solid backup and mentor to Vasquez. At least Ben did not have to go back again to the 38 yr. old Ross and his anemic BA. Sibby Hanigan is 34 and just about as anemic with the bat.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 19, 2014 13:40:21 GMT -5
The Padres goal is apparently to have every catcher in baseball on their roster at some point in December. ...and they're well on their way to doing that, just a clearing house at this point. Los Padres have gone from dormant to hyper-active. Who would have thunk it? Really like this move. Hanigan is another superior catching talent. Here is a guy who can actually catch 50+ games and give you real value doing it. And I don't think Vazquez is going anywhere, people. If the Sox want Hamels they have an abundance of chips to deal and - for this year - I don't think their starting catcher is one of those chips. As mentioned previously, give the guy another year and I don't think his stock is going anywhere but up. The problem seems to be that Amaro is a broken record, and none of those grooves include any talent other than those players who've made it onto his radar screen. That may not include pitchers such as Johnson, Rodriguez or even Owens, or talented players such as Margot who seems to have serious potential. He may not even sniff at a guy like Vazquez. He wants Betts or Bogaerts apparently. I don't think he'll be prying either of them off the roster anytime soon.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2014 13:42:21 GMT -5
Hannigan is RHH, but a solid backup and mentor to Vasquez. At least Ben did not have to go back again to the 38 yr. old Ross and his anemic BA. Sibby Hanigan is 34 and just about as anemic with the bat. Not even close.
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 19, 2014 13:49:47 GMT -5
Hannigan is RHH, but a solid backup and mentor to Vasquez. At least Ben did not have to go back again to the 38 yr. old Ross and his anemic BA. Sibby Hanigan is 34 and just about as anemic with the bat. Just four years apart. But, 38 is old and, as we have seen, Ross' numbers (.216 2013, .184 2014) have declined along with his CS %. Hannigan is MLB lifetime .256 v Ross .233 in BA. David is a good "pitch framer" as they say. Not sure about Hannigan.
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 19, 2014 13:49:49 GMT -5
Who's more overrated the Upton brothers or the Drew brothers. Toss up? Lol.
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 19, 2014 13:56:39 GMT -5
Who's more overrated the Upton brothers or the Drew brothers. Toss up? Lol. One of the brothers is not like the other.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 19, 2014 14:14:55 GMT -5
I hate selling from a position of weakness and that is what the Sox are doing. His value is at an all time low. Maybe I am too much of an optimist but for what WMB did a few years ago I think he might have put it back together in AAA this year. How much has health played a part? Or a certain female distraction? I still believe in JBJ also!!
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 19, 2014 14:21:50 GMT -5
Potentially a great move for SD
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Post by youngbillrussell on Dec 19, 2014 14:22:23 GMT -5
I have to think that Middlebrooks refusal of winter ball ulitmately lead to this trade.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 19, 2014 14:25:09 GMT -5
Who's projected to start in LF at Pawtucket now? Ramos? I think Coyle moves to 3B & Weeks takes over at 2B with Cecchini in LF
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Post by down225 on Dec 19, 2014 14:45:57 GMT -5
With the addition of Hanigan, there will be 8 catchers total between Sox and Pawsox rosters. Got to think at least 2 will have to be moved.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Dec 19, 2014 14:48:39 GMT -5
Who's projected to start in LF at Pawtucket now? Ramos? I think Coyle moves to 3B & Weeks takes over at 2B with Cecchini in LF I doubt they'd do that ... you're basically making Coyle and Cecchini less valuable to make a spot for Weeks. I'm sure Jemile Weeks is a fine human being and a loving member of his family, but he's no one the Sox are planning around.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 19, 2014 14:49:34 GMT -5
With the addition of Hanigan, there will be 8 catchers total between Sox and Pawsox rosters. Got to think at least 2 will have to be moved. Huh?
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Post by down225 on Dec 19, 2014 14:53:37 GMT -5
With the addition of Hanigan, there will be 8 catchers total between Sox and Pawsox rosters. Got to think at least 2 will have to be moved. Huh? Christian Vazquez Ryan Hanigan Dan Butler Luke Montz Blake Swihart Matt Spring Michael Brenly Jayson Hernandez
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 19, 2014 14:57:16 GMT -5
Christian Vazquez Ryan Hanigan Dan Butler Luke Montz Blake Swihart Matt Spring Michael Brenly Jayson Hernandez That's only 5 between Sox & Pawsox. Matt Spring, Michael Brenly & Jayson Hernandez in lower levels.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 19, 2014 15:01:49 GMT -5
I doubt they'd do that ... you're basically making Coyle and Cecchini less valuable to make a spot for Weeks. I'm sure Jemile Weeks is a fine human being and a loving member of his family, but he's no one the Sox are planning around. I disagree, I think it makes them more valuable
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Post by iakovos11 on Dec 19, 2014 15:07:31 GMT -5
It doesn't, though. You're moving them both down the ladder in terms of defensive importance. It will require both have more value in their bat than at 3B (Cecchini) and 2B (Coyle).
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 19, 2014 15:18:30 GMT -5
It doesn't, though. You're moving them both down the ladder in terms of defensive importance. It will require both have more value in their bat than at 3B (Cecchini) and 2B (Coyle). Yup, and I believe that's the only way either of them make it to the Majors. By proving they can hit & play multiple positions. If you can hit in the Majors a club will find a spot for you to play.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 19, 2014 15:20:28 GMT -5
It doesn't, though. You're moving them both down the ladder in terms of defensive importance. It will require both have more value in their bat than at 3B (Cecchini) and 2B (Coyle). These guys aren't 'top flight' prospects who will net you big returns. If another team happens to really like them, this change isn't going to do much as it won't be assumed that they forgot their previous position (and it isn't a big secret how good/bad they were). In the short term it adds positional flexibility and value for the Red Sox. If a guy gets to AAA as a less than stellar prospect, I don't see how this is anything but a 'good thing'.
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Post by nomar on Dec 19, 2014 15:20:40 GMT -5
Weeks is the UTIL guy. I think he fills an OF gap before Cecchini for sure
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Post by danr on Dec 19, 2014 15:25:14 GMT -5
I am happy for Middlebrooks. He gets a chance he would not get with the Sox. Now it's up to him to take advantage of it.
I also think this is a good move for the Sox. Hanigan is a solid backup, exactly what they needed. Middlebrooks was done with the Sox, and it would have been a waste to keep him at Pawtucket. And they got about as much value for him in a deal that could be imagined.
Obviously, if he raked at Pawtucket, his value would have gone up, but that wasn't going to happen.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 19, 2014 15:27:26 GMT -5
I am happy for Middlebrooks. He gets a chance he would not get with the Sox. Now it's up to him to take advantage of it. I also think this is a good move for the Sox. Hanigan is a solid backup, exactly what they needed. Middlebrooks was done with the Sox, and it would have been a waste to keep him at Pawtucket. And they got about as much value for him in a deal that could be imagined. Obviously, if he raked at Pawtucket, his value would have gone up, but that wasn't going to happen. we will never know
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 19, 2014 15:32:57 GMT -5
When looking at the Pawtucket lineup, keep in mind that it's rare for that club to have a particular "starting" lineup for more than a few weeks at a time, and even then only in the general sense. Even the true "bench" guys typically play 2-3 times a week, and most play more given that you can rotate players through the DH spot.
Lineup as-is, you could move Cecchini back and forth between 3B and the OF as you please per his development. My guess is they'll sign a MLFA or two in the McCoy/Henry mold to fill in wherever there are gaps. Wilkerson would get a lot of PT as well, and he at least fields well in the OF.
As for the all-former Sox lineup, I'd put Exposito behind the plate before Lavarnway (lesser of two evils), and would definitely put David Murphy in LF instead of Kalish.
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