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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 27, 2015 18:35:43 GMT -5
According to the twittersphere.
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Post by amfox1 on Jan 27, 2015 18:36:09 GMT -5
Boston Red Sox ? redsox 5m5 minutes ago #RedSox today acquired LHP Robbie Ross Jr. from the Texas Rangers in exchange for RHP Anthony Ranaudo.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 27, 2015 18:38:47 GMT -5
Rangers fans are being urged to bring their gloves for their protection if they are sitting anywhere behind the outfield wall.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 27, 2015 18:52:44 GMT -5
Don't know much about Ross, but a quick glance at his stats show what I expected. Good control, ground ball pitcher. Wouldn't be surprised if he's a Badenhop replacement.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jan 27, 2015 18:53:16 GMT -5
Wow the Sox cleaned out that first wave pretty much. We have Barnes and that next wave.
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Post by amfox1 on Jan 27, 2015 18:53:43 GMT -5
I believe Ross has two options remaining but, if he stays on the big club for any length of time, is likely to become arb-eligible after this year. Ross is 25 (2.5 months older than Ranaudo).
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 27, 2015 18:53:57 GMT -5
Ranaudo would never have broken into our rotation in my opinion, and I really could not see him (ever) as a relief pitcher. Interesting trade and at first glance I like it a lot!
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 27, 2015 18:56:43 GMT -5
Oh and he's a lefty! Goodbye Britton.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 27, 2015 18:57:00 GMT -5
Wow the Sox cleaned out that first wave pretty much. We have Barnes and that next wave. I believe strongly in Barnes and the NEXT wave. The 1st wave was a BIG disappointment. Workman and Barnes are viable as relief pitchers at least. I still think Barnes may be a solid starter.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 27, 2015 19:04:09 GMT -5
vs Left - - 1.55 - - - - - - 29.0 23 6 5 1 0 10 0 24 .225 1.14 1.15 vs Right - - 2.75 - - - - - - 36.0 32 15 11 2 2 13 3 23 .237 1.25 3.44
His splits in 2012 were very solid both ways, but for whatever reason went south in 2013 and 2014.
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Post by ramireja on Jan 27, 2015 19:05:46 GMT -5
Oh and he's a lefty! Goodbye Britton. from MLBtraderumors: "Curiously, Ross has a significant reverse platoon split. Even when he was at the height of his game in 2012-13, he held right-handed hitters to a meager .223/.292/.282 batting line while surrendering a fairly robust .276/.347/.425 line to fellow lefties."
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Post by azblue on Jan 27, 2015 19:13:21 GMT -5
Discouraging that this is Ranaudo's market value. However, the Sox may really like Ross and think they can fix what has been wrong the last year or so.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jan 27, 2015 19:13:35 GMT -5
Renaudo showed nothing in his 2014 tryout stint, so I don't feel like we're giving up anything more than a potential back-end starter. All in all, he was quite a disappointment for a kid who was supposed to be worthy of being a top 10 pick at one point in his college career. When we drafted him in the 1S round in 2011, it sounded like we may have scored big. Then, of course, Boras was able to extract a big bonus out of Theo.
Here we are a few years later trading him for Robbie Ross.
That first wave of SP prospects certainly soiled the bed, I'd say.
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Post by nomar on Jan 27, 2015 19:27:16 GMT -5
Robbie Ross is a solid young reliever who could settle into a setup role closer to his peak.
Hopefully Ranaudo's next fan base will care enough to spell his name right.
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Post by jmei on Jan 27, 2015 19:33:50 GMT -5
Ross was pretty good as a reliever in 2012-13, but pretty bad as a swingman last year. Throws a fastball (his primary pitch that he throws almost 75% of the time; averages 92 in relief), a slider, and an occasional changeup. Is a lefty, but doesn't have huge splits-- he has better strikeout and walk numbers versus lefties (career 20.1% K, 7.5% BB vs. L, 15.8% K, 8.4% BB vs. R) but gets many more ground balls versus righties (career 40% vs. L, 61.5% vs. R), which leaves him with pretty neutral splits overall (meaning he's not a LOOGY-type, but also dosn't dominate LHH). He's a useful lefty middle reliever (with options!), and this team needed a useful lefty middle reliever, so this trade does a nice job of filling a hole using a position of excess (Ranaudo might have started the season seventh or eighth on the SP depth chart, but he was going to be passed by Owens et al. by midseason, and he was unlikely to have ever been a long-term starter for the Red Sox). On the other hand, I think this is selling low on Ranaudo somewhat, since he was a top-150-type as recently as last offseason. He isn't as bad as he showed in his major league time last year, and I do think there's some upside left with him-- think the potential to be a Travis Wood or Hector Santiago. That said, he could have also continued to get worse and ended up being DFAed when he ran out of options, a la Michael Bowden, and 3+ years of control of a good lefty reliever is a pretty good get. Between this trade, the Middlebrooks/Hanigan trade, and the Webster/RDLR/Miley trade, Cherington has shown that he's not afraid to cash in some of his prospect chips. It's clear the front office thinks this roster is ready to contend for the playoffs immediately, as in all three of these transactions, they've traded future upside for present certainty and depth. If they're valuing 2015 wins pretty highly (as I think they should), this is a neat little move.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 27, 2015 19:34:21 GMT -5
This opens up a rotation slot for Escobar.
Ross is significantly better out of the pen than in games started. Career tOPS+ SP 1.24 RP .89.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jan 27, 2015 19:46:00 GMT -5
This opens up a rotation slot for Escobar. Ross is significantly better out of the pen than in games started. Career tOPS+ SP 1.24 RP .89. Maybe. They also might leave Escobar in the pen and go with Barnes-Owens-Johnson-Rodriguez-Wright in the rotation. Then again, there is a lot of time between now and opening day so something is bound to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 20:07:43 GMT -5
Discouraging that this is Ranaudo's market value. However, the Sox may really like Ross and think they can fix what has been wrong the last year or so.
At least we got something we can use in return. In the past, with guys like Michael Bowden, we'd hold onto the prospect until he was worth next to nothing. Maybe the Red Sox have been taking notes on what Billy Beane's been doing of late.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jan 27, 2015 20:09:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the Escobar/Wright decision is a pretty interesting one ... do they transition Escobar to the pen now to see how he does in that role? Do they value Wright as potential in-season starter depth this year?
I agree that this is possibly selling low on Ranaudo, but, you know, maybe not! That's the tough part of "selling low" ... ya never can be quite sure. But it seems like a decent deal for the respective needs of the team, as jmei said. This is a bullpen lefty for three years for a team that feels it's ready to contend and had too many AAA starters. So the Sox cashed in the AAA pitcher they had the least confidence in to satisfy a team need. It's an ok trade for a team in the Sox position. I certainly wasn't counting on Ranaudo for a rotation spot in the years ahead ...
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Post by GyIantosca on Jan 27, 2015 20:09:57 GMT -5
Wow the Sox cleaned out that first wave pretty much. We have Barnes and that next wave. I believe strongly in Barnes and the NEXT wave. The 1st wave was a BIG disappointment. Workman and Barnes are viable as relief pitchers at least. I still think Barnes may be a solid starter. I also like that next wave. Everyone believes Ben made a killing on the O's deal for Rodriquez, with Owens and the crafty Johnson. All are Lefties also. I think Workman is gonna graduate this season. He is all set. Barnes is the wildcard if he stays a starter.
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Post by larrycook on Jan 27, 2015 20:13:44 GMT -5
Between this trade, the Middlebrooks/Hanigan trade, and the Webster/RDLR/Miley trade, Cherington has shown that he's not afraid to cash in some of his prospect chips. It's clear the front office thinks this roster is ready to contend for the playoffs immediately, as in all three of these transactions, they've traded future upside for present certainty and depth. If they're valuing 2015 wins pretty highly (as I think they should), this is a neat little move. I think bc is moving the pieces that he and Farrell have seen and now believe do not figure in the plans long term. Webster and de la rosa had chances, but failed to impress. . Ranaudo pitched high in the zone and had trouble keeping the ball in the park. Time will tell if this works out.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 27, 2015 20:35:59 GMT -5
I would not have guessed they were so close in age. Just seems like Ross has been around for so long.
As a group, talented pitchers who got caught in the whirling vortex of awfulness in Texas last year are probably good bets for a rebound. Before last season, the only other time where Ross wasn't good was in his half-season in the California League. Of course.
Good luck to Ranaudo, who deserves an extended look somewhere.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 27, 2015 20:55:30 GMT -5
I am not a huge Ranaudo fan but I don't like this deal. I think Ranaudo is a #4 starter and maybe a bit bettr than that some days. To trade that for a reliever in January is mystifying to me unless they think Ranaudo can't stay healthy. Just seems like a real sell low move. In fact, if they think he's not even a #5, then I think he'd be better out of the pen long term than Ross. Seems like a lot to give up for essentially a lefty specialist if one buys into the splits as the reason for the move - and one coming off a bad year at that.
Yuk.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 20:59:57 GMT -5
Coincidentally, it's interesting to see how, over the years, we've slowly been cutting the umbilical cord that once connected us to Scott Boras. With Ranaudo gone, we're down to three Boras clients remaining on the 40 man roster - Marrero, JBJ and Xander. And, by season's end, there's a chance two of those will have been dealt.
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Post by jmei on Jan 27, 2015 21:08:08 GMT -5
Seems like a lot to give up for essentially a lefty specialist if one buys into the splits as the reason for the move You have this backwards-- Ross has smaller-than-average splits, which is to say that he's better vs. RHH and worse versus LHH than the average left-handed relief pitcher.
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