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Post by jimed14 on Jan 29, 2015 10:33:54 GMT -5
Don't know if we want a Law top 100 thread, but we've got Swihart at 10, Owens at 20, Rodriguez at 29, Devers at 55 and Margot at 70. I thought Johnson might have snuck in, but no.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 29, 2015 13:00:34 GMT -5
Chris Crawford lists his Red Sox top 15 including write-ups. Good read. 1. Blake Swihart 2. Henry Owens 3. Eduardo Rodriguez 4. Manuel Margot 5. Rafael Devers 6. Garin Cecchini 7. Matt Barnes 8. Michael Chavis 9. Deven Marrero 10. Brian Johnson 11. Trey Ball 12. Sam Travis 13. Michael Kopech 14. Anderson Espinoza 15. Edwin Escobar www.drafttotheshow.com/top-15-in-15-boston-red-sox/
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 29, 2015 13:34:50 GMT -5
Rafael Devers (#55) is two months younger than Julio Urias (#9). Unless I'm overlooking somebody, I believe Devers is the youngest player on Law's top 100.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 29, 2015 13:42:15 GMT -5
Chris Crawford lists his Red Sox top 15 including write-ups. Good read. 1. Blake Swihart 2. Henry Owens 3. Eduardo Rodriguez 4. Manuel Margot 5. Rafael Devers 6. Garin Cecchini 7. Matt Barnes 8. Michael Chavis 9. Deven Marrero 10. Brian Johnson 11. Trey Ball 12. Sam Travis 13. Michael Kopech 14. Anderson Espinoza 15. Edwin Escobar www.drafttotheshow.com/top-15-in-15-boston-red-sox/What grade did he give Owens's slider this year?
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 29, 2015 13:47:36 GMT -5
What grade did he give Owens's slider this year? Not sure I get the reference/snark.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 29, 2015 13:58:53 GMT -5
What grade did he give Owens's slider this year? Not sure I get the reference/snark. If I remember right, Crawford graded it last year, but Owens doesn't throw one.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jan 29, 2015 14:06:24 GMT -5
I think Barnes is under rated and I think the rating for Escobar is a freaking typo. We have to still have one of the best AAA rotations in baseball in terms of prospect value. I don't even think Escobar should crack the AAA rotation unless there are some injuries or call ups.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 29, 2015 14:38:35 GMT -5
Not sure I get the reference/snark. If I remember right, Crawford graded it last year, but Owens doesn't throw one. He also put a 60 on Jackie Bradley's defense. And he admits in Barnes's writeup this year that was a "silly mistake" to rank him second in the system last year. His writeup last year was just awful. After a skim, nothing sticks out as that egregious this year. Maybe putting a 65 in Ball's fastball is a bit aggressive given that he doesn't command it yet. Looks like he went just velo with the FB grades,which is certainly a thing. His grades on Espinoza are aggressive as hell for a kid that young, but I get the gamble if the reports he's gotten are good. Crawford is a draft writer who does the prospect ranking thing this time of year. I think that, for example, would be why he has Sam Travis so high. He also had Denney ranked in his top 16 last year, so there's a bit of bias towards the draftees, but you can understand that. I admittedly don't know how good his draft stuff is. I'll put it this way - this is a side project for him, which is why it goes on his personal blog instead of ESPN.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 29, 2015 15:03:53 GMT -5
If I remember right, Crawford graded it last year, but Owens doesn't throw one. He also put a 60 on Jackie Bradley's defense. And he admits in Barnes's writeup this year that was a "silly mistake" to rank him second in the system last year. His writeup last year was just awful. After a skim, nothing sticks out as that egregious this year. Maybe putting a 65 in Ball's fastball is a bit aggressive given that he doesn't command it yet. Looks like he went just velo with the FB grades,which is certainly a thing. His grades on Espinoza are aggressive as hell for a kid that young, but I get the gamble if the reports he's gotten are good. Crawford is a draft writer who does the prospect ranking thing this time of year. I think that, for example, would be why he has Sam Travis so high. He also had Denney ranked in his top 16 last year, so there's a bit of bias towards the draftees, but you can understand that. I admittedly don't know how good his draft stuff is. I'll put it this way - this is a side project for him, which is why it goes on his personal blog instead of ESPN. The writeups for Swihart and Owens are extremely positive. Like they should be top 5 and top 10 instead of 10 and 20. I wish. First guy to mention Owens as a possible ace.
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Post by nomar on Jan 29, 2015 15:57:55 GMT -5
John (Boston) Thanks for your time Keith. From the little that I’ve seen and his age, does Rafael Devers have the potential to sky rocket towards the top 10 next year? I’m as excited about him as anyone.
Klaw (2:13 PM) If you want one guy in 51-100 who could race up to the top 10-15 next year, I think I’d say him. Sky seems to be the limit.
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Post by nomar on Jan 29, 2015 16:10:23 GMT -5
Also if you want a good laugh, look at the comments here as Rays fans are in agony over the fact that near 26 year old Steven Souza didn't rank in Law's top 100. I mean the guy has never gotten a review that projected him to be anything more than a potential above average player, repeated almost every level of the minors, strikes out a ton, and is old. Get a grip: www.draysbay.com/2015/1/29/7944469/keith-law-rays-top-100-justin-oconner-daniel-robertson
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 29, 2015 16:57:31 GMT -5
Chris Crawford lists his Red Sox top 15 including write-ups. Good read. 1. Blake Swihart 2. Henry Owens 3. Eduardo Rodriguez 4. Manuel Margot 5. Rafael Devers 6. Garin Cecchini 7. Matt Barnes 8. Michael Chavis 9. Deven Marrero 10. Brian Johnson 11. Trey Ball 12. Sam Travis 13. Michael Kopech 14. Anderson Espinoza 15. Edwin Escobar www.drafttotheshow.com/top-15-in-15-boston-red-sox/What grade did he give Owens's slider this year? Acyually, he didn't even mention Johnson's slider and the write up on his curve sounds more like his slider. Maybe he's gun shy.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Jan 30, 2015 9:40:06 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised that there are only five sox prospects in laws top 100 ( none after 70).
I wonder how many were on the cusp or what percentage of your top 20 are top 200 prospects?
I think that is where the sox system shines: deep depth.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 30, 2015 10:32:25 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised that there are only five sox prospects in laws top 100 ( none after 70). I wonder how many were on the cusp or what percentage of your top 20 are top 200 prospects? I think that is where the sox system shines: deep depth. Who do you think he missed out on? Just curious. I could see maybe Cecchini who I think could be a Youkilis-type OBA guy and have late developing 15-20HR pop, but the 3rd baseman crop of prospects league wide has gotten stronger. No one else comes to mind immediately in comparison with the other 93 guys listed, though one could always quibble about the last 15 or so on a list like that.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 30, 2015 10:50:37 GMT -5
I bet Johnson makes a few top 100s.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jan 30, 2015 11:53:58 GMT -5
I was surprised by this comment in the Keith Law piece.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 30, 2015 12:31:04 GMT -5
Wow, Law said in his top 10 writeup that he thinks Travis could start out in Portland this year.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 30, 2015 14:19:59 GMT -5
He also said in his chat yesterday that Devers could break the top 15 next year.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jan 30, 2015 15:11:14 GMT -5
I'm glad to see Travis getting some recognition, I have high hopes for him. It's not often that Boston drafts a first basemen early. Since 2002 they've only drafted 2 1B in the first 6 rounds -- Anthony Rizzo (6th, 2009) & Aaron Bates (3rd, 2006). Travis is actually their highest drafted 1B since Gary Locurto in 1996. Boston's draft philosophy is obviously preferable, but following bat only prospects is quite enjoyable.
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Post by elguapo on Jan 30, 2015 16:10:31 GMT -5
Since 2002 they've only drafted 2 1B in the first 6 rounds -- Anthony Rizzo (6th, 2009) & Aaron Bates (3rd, 2006). Travis is actually their highest drafted 1B since Gary Locurto in 1996. I would include "third baseman" Hunter Morris in there too. Miraculously, according to Baseball-Reference, in 2007 "he was the only one of their first 13 picks who did not sin".
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Post by moonstone2 on Jan 30, 2015 17:28:22 GMT -5
Since 2002 they've only drafted 2 1B in the first 6 rounds -- Anthony Rizzo (6th, 2009) & Aaron Bates (3rd, 2006). Travis is actually their highest drafted 1B since Gary Locurto in 1996. I would include "third baseman" Hunter Morris in there too. Miraculously, according to Baseball-Reference, in 2007 "he was the only one of their first 13 picks who did not sin". The reason he didn't sign as I recall was because he had a hand shake deal before he was drafted and then after the draft demanded more. The Sox told him to pound sand. Bates as I recall was an overdraft who signed for a low bonus to compensate for other high bonus guys. So he really wasn't a third round talent. You are correct that the Sox have been deficient in finding 1B. It's interesting that the last couple of years they have spend some money and some fairly decent draft picks to get three of them. It's a change in strategy to be sure.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 30, 2015 23:01:09 GMT -5
I bet Johnson makes a few top 100s. Having seen him a few times I would take that bet. He looks like a #5/Middle reliever. No out pitch. A guy that has a high floor but an awful low ceiling. Doesn't mean he won't make a living in MLB but I think his lack of projection keeps himout of top 100 lists, IMHO.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 31, 2015 9:00:59 GMT -5
mlb.com's top 100 out and it's pretty bizarre.
Swihart 18, Owens 19 Rodriguez 89, Devers 96, Margot 99
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Post by raftsox on Jan 31, 2015 9:07:48 GMT -5
The Keith Law rankings of the farm systems is an interesting article. The top 5 are the Cubs, Twins, Astros, Mets, and Red.Sox. I think a case could be made that the Red Sox have a stronger group and deeper group than the Astros and Mets. Deeper yes. Stronger: no way in hell.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jan 31, 2015 9:27:31 GMT -5
mlb.com's top 100 out and it's pretty bizarre. Swihart 18, Owens 19 Rodriguez 89, Devers 96, Margot 99 Margot is now Officially Underrated in my book. When he gets to AA next year as a 20 year-old plus defender in center who can hit, he's going to jump up these rankings, imo.
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