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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 28, 2015 9:05:21 GMT -5
I think having Marrero, Chavis, Ball and Kopech as the 10-13 prospects in your system is insanely good. I'm actually not high on Chavis, reminds me of Vitek but that's admittedly not fair.
I am very bullish on Marrero at least on his potential. He's an elite defender, every bit as good as the big 3 short stops and I wouldn't be shocked if he had a similar career as any of them. The great, and it's significant, separator is the likelihood those other guys hit well at the MLB level, however, I can see Marrero being a solid MLB hitter with elite defense. Not comparing him to those guys just pointing out that him as the number 10 prospect is significant. If he has a similar season at the plate this year at AAA as he did at AA, where does his stock go to? Top 30- 50 prospect in baseball? I'd say so.
Ball and Kopech just have huge upside from the 12 & 13 slots.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 28, 2015 9:06:31 GMT -5
The best thing about this system is every year for he last 3 years it's been exciting with wave after wave. We always say, this is a big year developmentally because of all the talent they have and it's different guys seemingly each year.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Mar 31, 2015 16:39:23 GMT -5
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Post by burythehammer on Mar 31, 2015 18:18:01 GMT -5
Can someone at least tell us where he has Moncada?
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Post by soxfanatic on Mar 31, 2015 18:21:24 GMT -5
Can someone at least tell us where he has Moncada? 16 |
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Post by okin15 on Mar 31, 2015 18:22:10 GMT -5
Can someone at least tell us where he has Moncada? Swihart 10, Moncada 16, Owens 21, Rodriguez 29 About Owens, he doesn't "think anyone should be concerned about him throwing strikes." About Moncada: "He's a massive kid for a 19-year-old, well filled out with power from both sides of the plate yet with enough athleticism to stay on the dirt in the short term, most likely at second base. I expect him to start out in A-ball and move up quickly if he shows he's too advanced for either low- or high-A." |
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Post by xycosis on Mar 31, 2015 20:34:54 GMT -5
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Post by bsout2 on Mar 31, 2015 21:22:33 GMT -5
I am probably crazy but I think the 2015 season ends with Moncada, Margot and Devers all universally regarded as top 20 prospects.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 1, 2015 0:19:03 GMT -5
Here's an interim updated compilation and consensus ranking from all credible sources known to me. Sox Prospects (SP), Alex Speier at Baseball America (BA), and the updated and expanded ranking from Jim Callis (and perhaps some Jonathan Mayo) at MLB.com (ML) have been weighted 125%. Kiley McDaniel at FanGraphs (FG), John Sickels' updated rankings (JS), Keith Law of ESPN (KL), and Chris Mellen at Baseball Prospectus (BP) are weighted at 100%, and Chris Crawford of Draft to the Show (CC) is weighted 75%.
The ranking excludes Castillo (as well as Ranaudo and other players jettisoned since the individual rankings were published). I think I’ve gotten the after-the-fact Moncada rankings correct.
Since we don't know who KL's #16 prospect was and I didn't want to guess, I ranked his 17 through 20 guys as 16 through 19. (And it may well have been Ranaudo, even though his list went up a few days after that trade.)
The consensus ranking was done by ranking unranked or tiered players (e.g., BA depth chart guys or prospects name-checked after the list proper, denoted below as HM) according to the consensus of everyone else.
This list stops at a sane point; after the community voting is done, I’ll post a revised and complete version.
Rnk Name BA SP MLB FG JS KL BP CC Ave
1 Yoan Moncada 1 2 1 1 1 2 -- -- 1.3
2 Blake Swihart 2 1 2 2 2 1 2 2 1.7
3 Henry Owens 3 3 3 4 3 3 3 3 3.1
4 Edua. Rodriguez 4 6 4 3 4 4 5 4 4.3
5 Manuel Margot 7 4 6 5 6 6 4 5 5.4
6 Rafael Devers 6 5 5 6 5 5 6 6 5.5
7 Brian Johnson 5 7 7 8 10 9 10 11 8.1
8 Matt Barnes 8 8 9 9 8 8 8 8 8.3
9 Garin Cecchini 12 12 8 7 7 7 9 7 8.9
10 Michael Chavis 10 9 11 11 13 11 7 9 10.1
11 Deven Marrero 9 11 10 10 9 10 -- 10 10.2
12 Michael Kopech 14 10 13 12 16 13 11 14 12.8
13 Trey Ball 15 13 12 13 17 14 -- 12 13.8
14 Sam Travis 11 17 15 14 21 15 -- 13 15.1
15 Sean Coyle 16 15 14 15 12 18 -- 17 15.3
16 Edwin Escobar 17 14 18 23 14 12 -- 16 16.4
17 Wendell Rijo 23 18 17 16 11 19 12 18 16.9
18 Javier Guerra 13 16 16 18 HM 17 -- -- 17.2
19 Te. Stankiewicz 19 20 20 17 18 16 -- -- 18.7
20 Travis Shaw 18 19 21 21 HM -- -- -- 20.5
21 Henry Ramos 28 21 19 22 HM -- -- -- 22.5
22 Carlos Asuaje 24 29 25 27 19 20 -- -- 23.9
23 Ander. Espinoza DC 30 26 19 21 -- -- 15 24.2
24 Bryce Brentz 20 23 22 20 -- -- -- -- 24.3
25 Nick Longhi 26 26 23 28 HM -- -- -- 25.5
26 Steven Wright 21 27 28 HM HM -- -- -- 26.2
27 Jake Cosart 30 24 24 HM HM -- -- -- 27.0
28 Simon Mercedes DC 22 27 24 HM -- -- -- 27.2
29 Heath Hembree DC 33 -- 25 15 -- -- -- 28.4
30 Mauricio Dubon 22 25 29 HM -- -- -- -- 29.2
31 Luis Diaz DC 28 -- 26 HM -- -- -- 30.4
32 Justin Haley 27 35 -- HM HM -- -- -- 31.7
33 Yoan Aybar DC 31 30 HM -- -- -- -- 33.5
34 Dalier Hinojosa DC 34 -- HM HM -- -- -- 34.1
35 Joe Gunkel 25 36 -- -- HM -- -- -- 35.2
36 Kevin McAvoy DC 38 -- HM HM -- -- -- 36.1
37 Chris Acosta DC 32 -- -- 21 -- -- -- 36.2
38 Danny Mars DC 45 -- HM HM -- -- -- 38.6
39 Pat Light 29 54 -- HM -- -- -- -- 39.9
40 Noe Ramirez DC 41 -- -- HM -- -- -- 41.1
41 L. Alex Basabe DC 47 -- HM -- -- -- -- 41.8
42 Victor Acosta DC 40 -- -- -- -- -- -- 43.2
43 Keith Couch DC 43 -- -- -- -- -- -- 44.5
44 Kyle Martin DC 44 -- -- -- -- -- -- 45.5
45 Gerson Bautista -- 42 -- HM -- -- -- -- 45.7
46 Trenton Kemp DC 46 -- -- -- -- -- -- 47.3
47 Keu. De La Cruz DC -- -- -- HM -- -- -- 48.9
t48 Reed Gragnani DC -- -- HM -- -- -- -- 49.6
t48 Tzu-Wei Lin DC -- -- HM -- -- -- -- 49.6
50 German Taveras -- 37 -- -- -- -- -- -- 50.2
51 Jordan Betts DC 51 -- -- -- -- -- -- 51.8
52 Jonathan Aro DC 52 -- -- -- -- -- -- 52.8
53 Ty Buttrey -- 55 -- HM -- -- -- -- 52.9
54 Karsten Whitson -- 39 -- -- -- -- -- -- 53.5
55 Jamie Callahan DC 53 -- -- -- -- -- -- 55.1
56 Jeff Fernandez -- 58 -- HM -- -- -- -- 55.5
57 Josh Ockimey DC 56 -- -- -- -- -- -- 56.9
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Post by kman22 on Apr 1, 2015 0:48:35 GMT -5
I was one of those people that preferred Dominic Smith to Trey Ball. Only 2 years out, but if character plays a factor, Ball was absolutely the better pick. |
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Post by alnipper on Apr 1, 2015 11:11:29 GMT -5
It will be interesting where we rank this time next year. Being number 2 for 2 years in a row is impressive. It is even more impressive when you see who we lost because of graduation.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 1, 2015 13:15:39 GMT -5
It will be interesting where we rank this time next year. Being number 2 for 2 years in a row is impressive. It is even more impressive when you see who we lost because of graduation. Yes it will be interesting as there is a possibility all of Moncata, Margot, and Devers emerge and leap into the top 10 overall. Also, there are a number of pitchers who could emerge as well, and Guera and Rijo also could be the one to move quickly. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 2, 2015 8:46:49 GMT -5
I am probably crazy but I think the 2015 season ends with Moncada, Margot and Devers all universally regarded as top 20 prospects. Well it's wishful thinking but not completely crazy. Moncada is already there so he just has to stay there and Margot isn't far off. If he repeats his current level this year he will be there. He's held back a bit right now because he somewhat came from nowhere (nationally speaking - kinda like Mookie last year) and he's in A ball. Devers is the real long shot, but his advantage is he's not a no name... People know him so if he puts up great numbers again he will get added recognition and jump up even higher. Still top 20 is highly unlikely for those 3, if for no other reason than they are all from the same system and will compete a little against each other and guys like Rodriguez and Swithart maybe. A lot less likely that Swithart still has eligibility and top 20 status with Vazquez out. If he's playing well enough to stay top 20 then he's going to be in Boston. Ditto for Owen. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 2, 2015 8:48:47 GMT -5
It will be interesting where we rank this time next year. Being number 2 for 2 years in a row is impressive. It is even more impressive when you see who we lost because of graduation. Yes it will be interesting as there is a possibility all of Moncata, Margot, and Devers emerge and leap into the top 10 overall. Also, there are a number of pitchers who could emerge as well, and Guera and Rijo also could be the one to move quickly. Top 10 overall is an extreme pipe dream. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 2, 2015 8:55:38 GMT -5
It will be interesting where we rank this time next year. Being number 2 for 2 years in a row is impressive. It is even more impressive when you see who we lost because of graduation. Even more impressive is they were also number 6 in 2013... Upward trend with a lot of different players. We now know the 2013 top 10 with Webster and the like wasn't quite as good, but that list was also about the depth guys more than anything and they've grown. |
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Post by alnipper on Apr 6, 2015 12:12:54 GMT -5
Looking over all the other minor league systems/teams, I think the Sox have the best 25 and under ranking. Is it even close?
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Post by ianrs on Apr 7, 2015 12:12:50 GMT -5
Looking over all the other minor league systems/teams, I think the Sox have the best 25 and under ranking. Is it even close? I think the Cubs might have an argument for a better 25 and under talent pool: Anthony Rizzo Starlin Castro Jorge Soler Javier Baez Addison Russell Kris Bryant Kyle Schwarber CJ Edwards Albert Almora Mike Olt At least in terms of position players, that's a very stacked list. At the least, it makes it a close discussion. Though I (probably biased) think the Sox have a bit deeper and more balanced pool. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 7, 2015 12:38:04 GMT -5
Yeah, if you start by accepting that the Cubs system is better, hard to say that Betts/Bogaerts/Bradley is enough to make it certain that they pass the group that adds Rizzo and Castro. It's a discussion though.
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 7, 2015 12:42:59 GMT -5
You also missed Vazquez.
Let's just label both systems very good and call it a day.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 7, 2015 20:18:10 GMT -5
Yeah, if you start by accepting that the Cubs system is better, hard to say that Betts/Bogaerts/Bradley is enough to make it certain that they pass the group that adds Rizzo and Castro. It's a discussion though. Especially since you have to subtract Rusney from ours (and Wright!), and add Arismendy Alcantara, Jacob Turner, and Matt Szczur to theirs. And I think the tie goes to the set of players with the more difficult spelling. A year from now, it's the Cubs' current system plus Alcantara and Turner, versus ours less Castillo and Barnes plus Betts, Bogaerts, and Vazquez. Which is to say we may well have the best 24-and-under talent. |
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Post by jdb on May 26, 2015 16:01:23 GMT -5
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Post by thebogeyman on Jun 19, 2015 11:24:56 GMT -5
With all the recent MLB promotions, Law has updated his Top 10 again, and it includes two Sox prospects (spoiler: Moncada at 7 and Devers at 9). Insider only unfortunately. He also mentioned Guerra again (second time in the last few days), so he certainly seems high on him. insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/insider/post?id=4023EDIT: Also, of note is that both of them are rated higher than Keith's top player from this draft (and Devers is younger), so I guess that lends further credence to the thought that Moncada would have been a 1/1 candidate in this years draft. |
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 19, 2015 21:08:04 GMT -5
But Moncada is hitting .209!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 19, 2015 21:15:45 GMT -5
But Moncada is hitting .209! A member of the SP staff got an email recently from a reader that was basically saying Moncada was a bust because he wasn't hitting. I just.. I can't even... |
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