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Post by grandsalami on Feb 18, 2015 16:23:58 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Feb 18, 2015 16:29:57 GMT -5
Is Mr. Larry letting him use an agent or are they giving him the Tito treatment?
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Post by mgoetze on Feb 18, 2015 18:24:18 GMT -5
Ugh.
By the way, I never understood this horror of having coaches in the last year of their contract. What difference could it possibly make?
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 18, 2015 18:58:02 GMT -5
Love this! Don't mind the haters Farrell, you the man.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Feb 18, 2015 22:51:42 GMT -5
Let him go. He's under contract for 2 more years. Worry about it then. It's not like he is essential for this team's success. A lot can happen in 2 years. Ask Tito.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 19, 2015 7:46:30 GMT -5
I'd feel better about this if ANY pitchers had made progress under his watch. I know it's not his main role but for a supposed pitching guru they really haven't seen anyone young or old improve except except Lester.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 19, 2015 9:58:46 GMT -5
Eh, doesn't matter that much. They can fire him and eat the money, if they need to ... personally, I think Farrell's probably a solid-average manager, good at the preparation/scouting, logistics, and clubhouse management part of the job, not as good as a tactician and in-game manager. He's no Tito, but he's ok.
edit to add: I actually think last year was a decent job by Farrell. The team turned out to be bad, but there was a minimum of drama and the team generally stayed together. "Media relations" should probably get added on the plus side of the ledger for him ... but he should probably take some of the blame for Bogaerts/Drew fiasco (hard to tell between him and Cherington), as well as running JBJ out there too long, although he had little alternative there.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 19, 2015 10:00:53 GMT -5
I'd feel better about this if ANY pitchers had made progress under his watch. I know it's not his main role but for a supposed pitching guru they really haven't seen anyone young or old improve except except Lester. This is my biggest concern, and I'd extend it to all players, not just pitchers.
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Post by Guidas on Feb 19, 2015 10:47:57 GMT -5
Agreed. And with Maddon hanging out there this winter, I was hoping the Sox would go bold.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 19, 2015 19:36:47 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 20, 2015 7:47:43 GMT -5
That's a pretty lazy article. Comparing team ERAs to league average is about meaningless. If you're even using ERAs at all which I wouldn't, I'd compare each individual ERA to their career ERA.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 20, 2015 8:18:48 GMT -5
I'd feel better about this if ANY pitchers had made progress under his watch. I know it's not his main role but for a supposed pitching guru they really haven't seen anyone young or old improve except except Lester. This is my biggest concern, and I'd extend it to all players, not just pitchers. Well, Lester's a pretty big data point ... there's also Andrew Miller, Uehara exploded under Farrell, Bogaerts and Betts were incorporated in their first years successfully (before Bogaerts's step back in 2014), Brock Holt, Tazawa has developed into a solid bullpen piece, Lackey got his career back on track, Napoli made the transition to first base successfully ... I don't give Farrell all that much credit for most of that, honestly. But I also don't give him much blame for Rubby De La Rosa and Allen Webster, either. My point is just that it's a mixed bag, with far too small a sample to really make any judgements on the Sox ability to develop talent with Farrell as the manager.
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Post by jmei on Feb 20, 2015 9:12:37 GMT -5
I tend to think that are too many confounding variables to fairly judge a manager on how many of his players have developed or not developed based on a couple years of external indicators. Maybe if you had an everyday view of his leadership or instruction, you could begin to draw a few tentative conclusions, but we're rarely privy to such matters, so it's hard to say.
Baseball is the toughest of all the sports to evaluate the manager consider the relative lack of strategy involved and the relative unimportance of strategy (things like bullpen use and lineup construction and use of pinch-hitters just don't matter all that much and are prone to SSS luck). As such, I think it's hard to have a strong opinion either way.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 20, 2015 10:13:38 GMT -5
I'll say it again. I don't think the manager wins you a championship no matter how good he is. However, I do think a manager can make a team worse (see 2012). It's very difficult to argue that Farrell makes this team worse.
Can agree that the "pitching savant" thing probably didn't materialize the way some posited, but that wasn't what he was brought in to do. He was brought in to manage. He's done that just fine.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 20, 2015 10:23:58 GMT -5
The thing that is most important to me is how he handles pitchers and especially the bullpen. Farrell cannot use Koji like he did last year, especially as a 40 year old. I know managers are pretty much always managing to keep their job, but wearing pitchers out isn't something I want to see.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 20, 2015 17:02:14 GMT -5
This is the year to prove that he's the pitching coach guru that everyone makes him out to be. Go out there and earn your contract.
Yes, I know he's the manager and that Juan Nieves is the actual pitching coach.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 21, 2015 10:22:14 GMT -5
Ian Browne ?@ianmbrowne 1m1 minute ago The Red Sox have extended John Farrell through 2017 -- a rare bit of breaking news on a Saturday morning.
Ian Browne ?@ianmbrowne 2m2 minutes ago Farrell's contract includes a club option for 2018.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 21, 2015 12:03:24 GMT -5
I'd feel better about this if ANY pitchers had made progress under his watch. I know it's not his main role but for a supposed pitching guru they really haven't seen anyone young or old improve except except Lester. This is my biggest concern, and I'd extend it to all players, not just pitchers. Am I living in a world where a bunch of guys having career years or close to it in a year where the Red Sox won the World Series didn't happen? Also, isn't unfair to judge Farell for his pitchers "not making progress under his watch" when he's only been here two years and didn't get all that much talent with room for progress in the first place AND the few talented pitchers he inherited actually made progress? Oh, and putting this under the coach as if talent didn't matter isn't akin to point out that Buck Showalter and Joe Maddon have between them 2 post-season series victories? Are we to give major props to Ned Yost for the improvements Davis, Herrera and Holland had under his watch? Is this real life?
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Post by alnipper on Feb 21, 2015 17:20:10 GMT -5
I want Tito instead. Farell is pretty good in my opinion though.
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Post by sibbysisti on Feb 21, 2015 22:51:13 GMT -5
Glad to see Farrell get an extension. He's done a good job. What more can you say, he won us a WS?
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Post by mgoetze on Feb 21, 2015 23:41:12 GMT -5
Glad to see Farrell get an extension. He's done a good job. What more can you say, he won us a WS? He tried to lose us a WS and failed.
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Post by down225 on Feb 22, 2015 1:16:20 GMT -5
Glad to see Farrell get an extension. He's done a good job. What more can you say, he won us a WS? He tried to lose us a WS and failed. He made up for it last year though.
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