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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Apr 6, 2015 7:16:44 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 6, 2015 7:26:45 GMT -5
I'm actually a little disappointed that Kimbrel was traded, because I saw him as a possible option if Koji just falls off a cliff this year. I'm not sure if the Braves wanted the prospects or wanted to get rid of Upton more because the Red Sox obviously had no use for him. But maybe it's a blessing because of the track record of trading for closers. Looks like the Padres got fleeced pretty bad, who knows whether Kimbrel would even have been available at anything approaching a reasonable price. With all their moves, I'd still say they aren't going to make the playoffs.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 6, 2015 7:33:22 GMT -5
That's quite an embarrassment.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 6, 2015 7:49:51 GMT -5
With all their moves, I'd still say they aren't going to make the playoffs. Meanwhile they've traded away their #1, #2, #4, #6, #9, #10 and #11 prospect according to BA's pre-Preller rankings, as well as barely-graduated starter Jesse Hahn. I'm thinking AJ Preller is the 3rd-worst GM in baseball at this point.
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Post by ethanbein on Apr 6, 2015 8:20:04 GMT -5
Incidentally, what the Sox should be doing, IMHO, is calling AJ Preller to ask what he wants for Maurer or Quackenbush, the two relievers the Padres just optioned to AAA, either of whom would immediately slot in as the 3rd best pitcher in the Sox bullpen according to Steamer/ZiPS. ERA projections per FG Depth Charts: Uehara 2.57 Tazawa 3.28 Quackenbush 3.40 Maurer 3.54 Ross 3.68 Ogando 3.93 Layne 3.95 Mujica 3.97 etc. Adjust for league and park and those numbers are going to look a lot different. That being said, Quackenbush is too good to be sitting there in AAA. If he's available at a reasonable cost I would love for the Red Sox to go after him.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 6, 2015 8:39:03 GMT -5
That's quite an embarrassment. I think Theo Epstein might finally be gaining an appreciation for Larry Lucchino ...
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 6, 2015 8:41:24 GMT -5
Can you imagine what we'd be talking about if it were Fenway instead of Wrigley? There would be a lot of anger.
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Post by kman22 on Apr 6, 2015 9:15:27 GMT -5
Can you imagine what we'd be talking about if it were Fenway instead of Wrigley? There would be a lot of anger. But not all that much surprise.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 6, 2015 9:18:40 GMT -5
1) Preller has made the MLB team relevant again. Who cares if he traded their prospects? The goal isn't to have the best farm system.
2) That said, he might be a little crazy, and I love it. That's the only way you're going to compete with the Dodgers, who are the modern day Yankees in terms of spending.
3) I like the trade for the Padres a lot, actually. San Diego might be one of the places where Melvin Upton (I wonder if that'll ever not look weird) has the most value, both 1) because they could use his defense in center, either in late innings or in spelling the other three guys, and 2) because it might get his brother to re-sign. Wisler is an ok prospect but he's not a future ace or anything, and Maybin and Quentin were both backups for them. Deal is pretty good for both teams, I think.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 6, 2015 9:20:00 GMT -5
Can you imagine what we'd be talking about if it were Fenway instead of Wrigley? There would be a lot of anger. But not all that much surprise. Sure there would be. This is exactly the kind of thing the Red Sox never screw up. Much as Lucchino is a punching bag in terms of baseball ops stuff (and maybe rightfully so), everything else more or less runs incredibly smoothly in this organization.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 6, 2015 9:28:58 GMT -5
Adjust for league and park and those numbers are going to look a lot different. That being said, Quackenbush is too good to be sitting there in AAA. If he's available at a reasonable cost I would love for the Red Sox to go after him. Eh, relievers shouldn't have as big a league adjustment as starters, after all they face pinch hitters rather than pitchers. Tack on about 0.2 for the park and either is still an upgrade.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 6, 2015 9:37:46 GMT -5
1) Preller has made the MLB team relevant again. Who cares if he traded their prospects? The goal isn't to have the best farm system. 2) That said, he might be a little crazy, and I love it. That's the only way you're going to compete with the Dodgers, who are the modern day Yankees in terms of spending. 3) I like the trade for the Padres a lot, actually. San Diego might be one of the places where Melvin Upton (I wonder if that'll ever not look weird) has the most value, both 1) because they could use his defense in center, either in late innings or in spelling the other three guys, and 2) because it might get his brother to re-sign. Wisler is an ok prospect but he's not a future ace or anything, and Maybin and Quentin were both backups for them. Deal is pretty good for both teams, I think. Does nabbing the non-existent 4th wildcard make you relevant? Oh, I'm sure he's done a good job at selling tickets for the 2015 season, but at the expense of selling tickets for the 2017-2020 seasons when they are going to be really awful. And Henry Owens is an OK prospect, but not a future ace or anything. Can you imagine the outrage here if we had traded Owens and Nava for Kimbrel and Upton? See also Jeff Sullivan's analysis: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/padres-keep-building-and-borrowing-add-craig-kimbrel/
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 6, 2015 9:59:22 GMT -5
1) Preller has made the MLB team relevant again. Who cares if he traded their prospects? The goal isn't to have the best farm system. 2) That said, he might be a little crazy, and I love it. That's the only way you're going to compete with the Dodgers, who are the modern day Yankees in terms of spending. 3) I like the trade for the Padres a lot, actually. San Diego might be one of the places where Melvin Upton (I wonder if that'll ever not look weird) has the most value, both 1) because they could use his defense in center, either in late innings or in spelling the other three guys, and 2) because it might get his brother to re-sign. Wisler is an ok prospect but he's not a future ace or anything, and Maybin and Quentin were both backups for them. Deal is pretty good for both teams, I think. Does nabbing the non-existent 4th wildcard make you relevant? Oh, I'm sure he's done a good job at selling tickets for the 2015 season, but at the expense of selling tickets for the 2017-2020 seasons when they are going to be really awful. And Henry Owens is an OK prospect, but not a future ace or anything. Can you imagine the outrage here if we had traded Owens and Nava for Kimbrel and Upton? See also Jeff Sullivan's analysis: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/padres-keep-building-and-borrowing-add-craig-kimbrel/Meh. I might be ok with that.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 6, 2015 10:38:57 GMT -5
I'd would be fine if they dealt Owens and Nava for Kimbrel. Kimbrel is a stud and he's young and he's avoided the reliever volatility by being great year after year. Kimbrel is exactly what this team could use with the starting staff they have and the 40 year old fragile closer they are trying to rely on.
Of course if you are in the camp that thinks Wade Miley is more valuable than Kimbrel then I understand why you'd hate trading Owens for Kimbrel.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 6, 2015 10:53:17 GMT -5
I'd would be fine if they dealt Owens and Nava for Kimbrel. Yes, but that's not I was talking about. I was talking about Owens and Nava for Kimbrel and Upton. If you want to blow $80m over the next 4 years on relievers, you could have just signed Robertson and Miller and kept Owens.
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Post by nexus on Apr 6, 2015 11:13:04 GMT -5
I'd would be fine if they dealt Owens and Nava for Kimbrel. Yes, but that's not I was talking about. I was talking about Owens and Nava for Kimbrel and Upton. If you want to blow $80m over the next 4 years on relievers, you could have just signed Robertson and Miller and kept Owens. Well, the Braves are taking $24M back, so the deal is essentially Owens & Nava for 3/$56M Kimbrel and a useful late innings defensive replacement. Still maybe an overpay, but that depends on how much you value owning the undisputed best closer in the game who also happens to be only 26 years old.
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 6, 2015 12:14:28 GMT -5
Owens for Papelbon and Howard
I like the move from the Braves standpoint, I do think it'd would have been more advantageous if they shed the payroll in the offseason, so they had more opportunity to add to their team (potential midseason trade chips).
Padres are taking on payroll risk, they are 18M higher than 2014, which was 22M higher than 2013, so they're probably in the upper tier of what they could spend. I think closers can be over valued, and this Padres team isn't ready to compete with the Dodgers, so the move isn't for me. But I will say in a moment of hypocrisy I do like seeing some GM's being bold and aggressive. I hope it works out for them.
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Post by awall on Apr 6, 2015 13:31:50 GMT -5
What's the current over/under on starts for Verlander this year?
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Post by ibsmith85 on Apr 6, 2015 14:06:10 GMT -5
What's the current over/under on starts for Verlander this year? The Kate Upton Curse, ill set it at 26, and actually take the over.
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Post by soxfan06 on Apr 6, 2015 19:38:35 GMT -5
What's the current over/under on starts for Verlander this year? Better question what's the over/under on starts for Tanaka? I'm thinking 12.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 6, 2015 21:04:28 GMT -5
What's the current over/under on starts for Verlander this year? Better question what's the over/under on starts for Tanaka? I'm thinking 12. I think I might take the under on that one ... the warning lights are flashing red on that guy.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 6, 2015 21:34:24 GMT -5
Can't help thinking that Tanaka should have bitten the bullet and gotten TJ surgery over the winter. This won't end well. He can't highlight 90 mph fastballs as a contrast to the breaking stuff. It isn't going to work.
In a different vein, Fuld hits a triple into the right field gap, and Zobrist crushes one out of the park in the first inning. Don't cry for Oakland.
Add: Oakland again... Man, Marcus Semien has an absolutely beautiful swing. He looks like he's primed for a breakout season, even as he's hidden away out there on the working class side of the Bay.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 7, 2015 18:35:46 GMT -5
CBS Sports MLB ?@cbssportsmlb 1m1 minute ago Latos is done. 2/3 IP, 6 H, 7 ER, 2 BB. Still responsible for runner on 1st
GJGE
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 7, 2015 18:44:16 GMT -5
TB getting destroyed also...
Bad day for FLA baseball teams
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Post by charliezink16 on Apr 7, 2015 19:23:03 GMT -5
TB getting destroyed also... Bad day for FLA baseball teams Steve Pearce with his 2nd HR of the year. In recent years Baltimore has turned Pearce, Alejando De Aza, Nate McLouth, Miguel Gonzalez, Danny Valencia, and others from garbage to above average producers. I don't get it.
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