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Post by mgoetze on Apr 14, 2015 8:10:10 GMT -5
Rubby duplicated his 5 K and 1 NIBB in his second start, but cut the HRs in half and went a full 6 IP. He is now 2-0 with a 3.54 SIERA.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 14, 2015 13:52:12 GMT -5
We broke puig. “@billshaikin: Yasiel Puig: “I want to show American baseball that I’m not disrespecting the game.” t.co/npy5slUb1o”
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 14, 2015 15:04:52 GMT -5
David Schoenfield ?@dschoenfield 1h1 hour ago Hard to complain about Buck Showalter, but Tommy Hunter vs. a LHB in a big situation rarely a good idea. Buck Showalter is basically the Doc Rivers of MLB. He's a thoroughly mediocre manager who has consistently had top talent and sometimes has won with it, and who the media adores and overrates because he's a good interview and was a media guy himself in between gigs. At least Doc won a title. Whenever I hear the Orioles discussed, it's always thrown in that they're dangerous because of Showalter. He's won, I think, one playoff series. Two teams have won championships in the season immediately after firing him. But even people whose opinion I respect, like Schoenfield, seem to think he's anything better than standard fare. I don't think you can really say that about the Os teams he's managed, particularly on the pitching side.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 14, 2015 23:23:55 GMT -5
Fair, their pitching staff had a very nice season last year, finishing third in the AL in runs allowed despite overall middling talent. Still, they led the league in homers (by nearly 20% over the team with the next most), as well as in DRS. They were a talented team last year.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Apr 15, 2015 14:06:50 GMT -5
Old friend Anthony Ranaudo gets shelled in his Rangers debut: 1.2IP 6H 6ER 2BB 2K
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Post by radiohix on Apr 15, 2015 23:07:31 GMT -5
Robinson Cano! what were you thinking? Hahahaha ADD: to clarify, it's Mariners-Dodgers game playing right now and Cano was standing on third base, and thinking incorrectly that the bases were loaded, he started trotting towards home when the batter walked. He got most of the way there before realizing his mistake, only to be caught in the world’s most embarrassing run down.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 16, 2015 13:11:18 GMT -5
Nice piece on why the DH should be in NL as well as AL: www.baseballamerica.com/majors/baseballist-three-reasons-adding-dh-makes-sense-nl/Of course if the NL owners are still too cheap/stupid to do this MLB could always pass a rule to make the DH optional in all parks with the stipulation that teams wanting to use a DH need to do so before the game with their line-up card, and with the usual stipulations about losing the DH via selected substitutions. Doubt there would be many NL teams who would opt to bat their pitcher if they knew the other team didn't have to.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 16, 2015 14:01:00 GMT -5
I can't really fathom thinking like an NL fan, but I've come to the conclusion that pretty much all AL fans like the DH and all NL fans hate it. There doesn't seem to be much reasoning going on there.
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 16, 2015 14:06:38 GMT -5
Its 2015 so i don't even know why there are AL fans and NL fans. They've been playing interleague games for like twenty years now and the Astros just switched leagues. Having different rules for different leagues under the same MLB umbrella is kind of absurd and its been that way for how long now, 50 years? This should be priority 1 in the MLB front offices, it's a severe competitive advantage to AL teams in the world series.
The argument that it makes manager decisions more impactful and interesting in late game situations is a load of crap, too, and that's the only argument I've ever heard in favor of DH-less leagues. Do we really want to base the rules of the game on what will make mike scioioiooscia's job mildly more interesting 25 games a year?
Also pitchers can't hit so cut it out.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 16, 2015 14:14:07 GMT -5
Its 2015 so i don't even know why there are AL fans and NL fans. They've been playing interleague games for like twenty years now and the Astros just switched leagues. Having different rules for different leagues under the same MLB umbrella is kind of absurd and its been that way for how long now, 50 years? This should be priority 1 in the MLB front offices, it's a severe competitive advantage to AL teams in the world series. The argument that it makes manager decisions more impactful and interesting in late game situations is a load of crap, too, and that's the only argument I've ever heard in favor of DH-less leagues. Do we really want to base the rules of the game on what will make mike scioioiooscia's job mildly more interesting 25 games a year? Also pitchers can't hit so cut it out. If your favorite team is in the AL, you're an AL fan by default. Etc. I haven't watched any Cubs games yet, but I imagine there's a pencil sharpener in the Cubs dugout with Maddon working it. Talk about unbearable. Remember the playoff game when he used 10 pitchers in a 9 inning game?
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Post by 0ap0 on Apr 16, 2015 14:17:39 GMT -5
Also pitchers can't hit so cut it out. To be fair, not making pitchers hit and having a DH are two separate issues. No real reason* the solution couldn't be 8-batter lineups. *Yes, I know the BPA wouldn't allow it. That's only sort of a reason.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 16, 2015 14:27:01 GMT -5
Maybe they should make each position player pitch one inning per game.
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 16, 2015 14:38:52 GMT -5
Adding DH should help 2 of MLB's goals of speeding up the game and helping out the offense.
The only thing I like about the DH/No DH rule is that both leagues handle it differently. It's something that makes inter league games and the WS a little more interesting. Other than that, the way that the game evolved there is no real point of a pitcher holding a bat.
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 16, 2015 14:39:58 GMT -5
Maybe they should make each position player pitch one inning per game. I actually think this would be interesting in an alternate reality. Remember in college football when you could only sub 2 players each play?
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Post by charliezink16 on Apr 16, 2015 15:59:39 GMT -5
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 16, 2015 16:05:48 GMT -5
Its 2015 so i don't even know why there are AL fans and NL fans. They've been playing interleague games for like twenty years now and the Astros just switched leagues. Having different rules for different leagues under the same MLB umbrella is kind of absurd and its been that way for how long now, 50 years? This should be priority 1 in the MLB front offices, it's a severe competitive advantage to AL teams in the world series. The argument that it makes manager decisions more impactful and interesting in late game situations is a load of crap, too, and that's the only argument I've ever heard in favor of DH-less leagues. Do we really want to base the rules of the game on what will make mike scioioiooscia's job mildly more interesting 25 games a year? Also pitchers can't hit so cut it out. If your favorite team is in the AL, you're an AL fan by default. Etc. I haven't watched any Cubs games yet, but I imagine there's a pencil sharpener in the Cubs dugout with Maddon working it. Talk about unbearable. Remember the playoff game when he used 10 pitchers in a 9 inning game? I'm a Red Sox and baseball fan. I suppose I see more AL games, but that's just by virtue of the contrived nature of the scheduling and only really watching/following Red Sox games. Beyond the Sox I have no rooting interest, at least on a team basis—I do root for certain players. I don't care what rules they choose. DH, no DH, pitchers hit, pitchers don't hit, just make it consistent MLB-wide. Do Western Conference NBA teams play with 6 players on the floor?
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Post by ethanbein on Apr 17, 2015 11:31:40 GMT -5
Happy Kris Bryant day!
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Post by danr on Apr 17, 2015 12:14:28 GMT -5
I don't agree with that negative analysis of Showalter. First, he isn't the same kind of manager he was years ago. He had a tough guy reputation that didn't go over well with a lot of people. He isn't like that now.
Second, he has had an enormously positive effect on the Orioles. You have to keep in mind how long the Orioles went being bad, really bad sometimes. From the time he arrived, there was a different atmosphere, a much more positive attitude. It took a while for them to become consistent winners but they are now.
Sure, he can be criticized for some moves, but all managers can. The fact is, the Orioles have been a much better team under him, even with the various changes in the front office. He has been able to handle the players they've given him, both youngsters out of the farm system, and veteran acquisitions, and generally get good performance - sometimes surprising performance.
He seems to be highly respected by the people around him, the people who have the most contact with him. Even though I like Farrell, I think Showalter has been a better manager, but the difference is not huge.
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Post by bsout2 on Apr 17, 2015 12:44:09 GMT -5
Happy Reymond Fuentes day!
Fuentes has been called up by the Royals.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 17, 2015 13:35:40 GMT -5
Struck out on three pitches. Good morning, good afternoon and goodnight!
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Post by ibsmith85 on Apr 17, 2015 13:35:53 GMT -5
James Shields mutters "Welcome to the show, meat" as he strolls off the mound after a three pitch strikeout.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 17, 2015 14:01:47 GMT -5
I can't really fathom thinking like an NL fan, but I've come to the conclusion that pretty much all AL fans like the DH and all NL fans hate it. There doesn't seem to be much reasoning going on there. After watching the NL more recently, I've decided I actually like the pitcher batting. Im in the minority on this but I dislike most changes in sports that are there simply to increase offense or gimmicks to appeal to the casual fan. That goes for football as well. It does suck that pitchers get hurt or are really awful at batting but that is how the game was meant to be played. It also decreases the incentive for guys like David Price to bean our guys. I do like the changes that are either focused on getting the call right (replay) or adding challenges. EDIT: I don't mean to imply people who like the DH are all people who want more offense in the game. I didn't decide I liked the pitcher batting more until very recently. There are a lot of good arguments for the DH. I was talking more in general about efforts in major sports to increase pace of game and add more offense. In the NFL, in particular, I hate how they change the rules every off season. It makes the whole game feel more artificial and purely about making money to me. Part of what I like about baseball is its a more pure game from my perspective, and with no clock.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 17, 2015 15:13:47 GMT -5
The thing is, having the DH or not having the DH won't speed the game up or make it somehow exciting in the traditional sense of action ... baseball's not a fast-paced game. It has moments of very exciting action, but it's not inherently exciting for large stretches. But I think for fans, it's fun to watch because it's *interesting* not because it's exciting. And pitchers batting just aren't interesting. If there's a guy on, they try to bunt. If there isn't, they flail helplessly. It's this needless interruption in the flow of pitcher/batter confrontations that are at the heart of the game.
A few minutes of "will the manager hit for him this inning or let him pitch more?" once in a while just doesn't make up for that.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 17, 2015 16:02:38 GMT -5
I equate making the pitcher hit to making the quarterback kick field goals. Obviously that's not identical, but the best players on the planet are now specialized in their one area. So a pitcher is almost never going to be able to hit and it's probably going to get worse with pitchers increasingly not even playing other positions in high school. They are never going to be able to hit. It's not like 100 years ago.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 17, 2015 16:08:37 GMT -5
I feel that the pitcher just doesn't create a black hole at the 9 spot, but that the whole 7-8-9 spots are going to be much weaker as well. I'd like to know if there was a way to look at statistics showing the difference between 7 and 8 hitters in the AL verses the NL. I feel as though they can use the pitcher as an excuse to insert Didi Gregorious type of players into the everyday lineup since the 9th hitter is almost always going to be an automatic out.
Yes, I know Didi plays for the Yankees who are in the AL.
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