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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 18, 2015 9:48:31 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 18, 2015 9:54:29 GMT -5
I really cannot imagine the alternate universe in which Arod was traded to the Red Sox. I bet we'd be at 97 years. And to remember how much I wanted him, I feel ashamed.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 18, 2015 10:32:31 GMT -5
LOL, CBS just changed the tweet AND the story: CBS Sports MLB ?@cbssportsmlb 14m14 minutes ago Update: Anthony Bosch may have given A-Rod placebos cbsprt.co/1MxaLSG now both the old tweet and the new one lead to this changed story with a slightly different orientation. I saw that once before a long time ago, when ARod's attorney said he had proof that the Yankees president was trying to coerce ARod's hip surgeon into botching the operation. That story was at MLB then got changed a few days later and those allegations were deleted. Actually, I saw it another time with WEEI. When commenters mentioned Jonathan Herrera's assault in a Venezuela car wash, the comments were deleted a few minutes after they were posted. I watched more than one disappear.
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 18, 2015 10:43:25 GMT -5
Or, "lawyer tells ARod to assert semi-plausible or even non-plausible claim that he didn't knowingly take steroids so that Yankees cannot get out of paying bonuses."
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 18, 2015 11:36:57 GMT -5
“@mdgonzales: Kevin Youkilis is joining the Cubs as a special assistant”
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 18, 2015 12:22:13 GMT -5
There is an easy way the Yankees can get out of paying him his bonuses: they can release him. Voiding a contract is really, really hard and even with the animosity between Rodriguez and the union, I have to think/hope that they'd fight like crazy to protect against a pretty clear overreach of the CBA. The moral hazard set up by that kind of precedent would be pretty bad for the game - teams could sign players they know/suspect to be users to inflated contracts, knowing that they'd have an out if there's a PR hit or drop in production. Not cool.
Why is it every time a contract blows up on the Yankees, we hear about them supposedly trying to void it? Brown, Giambi, Pavano, Rodriguez... is that just a thing where the loud, ignorant New York media makes stuff up? Or does every team do its due diligence on voiding contracts behind the scenes, but they never come to fruition, but we only hear about it because of the microscope on the Yankees? It's really bizarre to me.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 18, 2015 16:26:13 GMT -5
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 18, 2015 16:45:03 GMT -5
There is an easy way the Yankees can get out of paying him his bonuses: they can release him. Voiding a contract is really, really hard and even with the animosity between Rodriguez and the union, I have to think/hope that they'd fight like crazy to protect against a pretty clear overreach of the CBA. The moral hazard set up by that kind of precedent would be pretty bad for the game - teams could sign players they know/suspect to be users to inflated contracts, knowing that they'd have an out if there's a PR hit or drop in production. Not cool. I believe if they release him any team can sign him for the minimum, let him play full time, and hit lots of homers for which the Yanks would be on the hook.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 19, 2015 0:14:12 GMT -5
Perspective.
Of the Yankees projected lineup and rotation, only Gardner is homegrown and the Yankees farm is ranked 21st by Fangraphs.
Of the Red Sox starting lineup and rotation, Vazquez, Pedroia, Xander, Betts and Buchholz are homegrown. That doesn't include Masterson or HanRam. The Sox have Fangraph's 6th rated system.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 19, 2015 7:53:10 GMT -5
There is an easy way the Yankees can get out of paying him his bonuses: they can release him. Voiding a contract is really, really hard and even with the animosity between Rodriguez and the union, I have to think/hope that they'd fight like crazy to protect against a pretty clear overreach of the CBA. The moral hazard set up by that kind of precedent would be pretty bad for the game - teams could sign players they know/suspect to be users to inflated contracts, knowing that they'd have an out if there's a PR hit or drop in production. Not cool. I believe if they release him any team can sign him for the minimum, let him play full time, and hit lots of homers for which the Yanks would be on the hook. I don't care. If I were a Yankees fan I'd be livid that for the third year in a row my team is a sideshow instead of a baseball team. Two years of full season "feel good" retirement tours (and "respecting" Jeter by letting him make a mockery of the SS position) is bad enough but now they have A-Roid as the center of attention all the time. Use your money and get out so you can play some ball.
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Post by moonstone2 on Feb 19, 2015 8:10:41 GMT -5
There is an easy way the Yankees can get out of paying him his bonuses: they can release him. Voiding a contract is really, really hard and even with the animosity between Rodriguez and the union, I have to think/hope that they'd fight like crazy to protect against a pretty clear overreach of the CBA. The moral hazard set up by that kind of precedent would be pretty bad for the game - teams could sign players they know/suspect to be users to inflated contracts, knowing that they'd have an out if there's a PR hit or drop in production. Not cool. I believe if they release him any team can sign him for the minimum, let him play full time, and hit lots of homers for which the Yanks would be on the hook. They would not be. If a team releases you, you only get the guaranteed salary, not the incentives.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 19, 2015 8:18:48 GMT -5
I believe if they release him any team can sign him for the minimum, let him play full time, and hit lots of homers for which the Yanks would be on the hook. They would not be. If a team releases you, you only get the guaranteed salary, not the incentives. Honest question, do you have a legal ruling or an example for that statement ? I would think that it would have to be specifically stated in the original contract that he be playing for the Yankees when he broke the records for that to be the case.
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Post by jmei on Feb 19, 2015 8:29:17 GMT -5
In general, if you release a player, you are not responsible for any contractual incentives that he achieves on a new team. For example, the Red Sox were not responsible for paying Grady Sizemore's playing time incentives that he reached while with the Phillies last year.
However, what complicates this is the fact that Rodriguez's incentives aren't your standard playing time incentives but are instead pursuant to a separate marketing contract. Because of the sui generis nature of this arrangement, it's hard to say what the outcome would be without looking at the actual contract. My intuition would be that they wouldn't have to pay the incentives if they released him, but that's just a guess. I haven't seen any media reports either way, though I haven't specifically looked for any.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 19, 2015 8:35:52 GMT -5
That's my thought, at the time of the contract signing, ARod had a unique marketing asset. The Yankees bought that asset. Likewise, if everything went as planned and the Yankees actually made five times that in marketing, I'm pretty sure ARod would have no recourse to increasing the amount.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 19, 2015 15:41:37 GMT -5
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 19, 2015 15:43:14 GMT -5
Evan Grant ?@evan_P_Grant 2m2 minutes ago I would expect Profar to miss all of 2015 as Rangers currently have no time table for return
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 19, 2015 22:59:06 GMT -5
Evan Grant ?@evan_P_Grant 2m2 minutes ago I would expect Profar to miss all of 2015 as Rangers currently have no time table for return This article says all of 2015 and points out what a crushing blow to a career missing the age 20 and 21 development seasons can be. www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25074261I always hate to see this with promising young players, we'll likely never know what he could have been. Very sad news for the baseball community.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 20, 2015 10:33:58 GMT -5
Sometimes you see a stat that kind of blows you away, this is one for me:
Ace of MLB Stats ?@aceballstats 11h11 hours ago #Padres Tony Gwynn faced Greg Maddux & Pedro Martinez 143 combined times during his career. He batted .388/.440/.473. He never struck out.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 20, 2015 11:27:10 GMT -5
Forget the 4 outfielders for 3 slots, the real interest is 400 miles south.
This should be a lot of fun to watch play out:
Bob Nightengale ?@bnightengale 6m6 minutes ago Girardi says A-Rod may have to get some at-bats in minor-league games as well to catch up with his timing.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 20, 2015 12:06:29 GMT -5
Forget the 4 outfielders for 3 slots, the real interest is 400 miles south. This should be a lot of fun to watch play out: Bob Nightengale ?@bnightengale 6m6 minutes ago Girardi says A-Rod may have to get some at-bats in minor-league games as well to catch up with his timing. This is in reference to spring training. Pretty normal for that to happen. Say a guy didn't travel, he'll go get a couple ABs in the minor league game at the park.
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Post by radiohix on Feb 20, 2015 12:33:15 GMT -5
The Rangers farm system must be cursed or may I say overrated! I mean...it's been highly rated over the last years but when you look at the results, it's pretty staggering how mediocre they've been: - The glut of catching prospects with Salty, Teagarden, Max Ramirez - The Next Texeira in Justin Smoak (They get rid of that one fast) - The next Johan Santana in Martin Perez - Andrus has been OK (a disappintment when you consider all the hype) - Neftali Feliz turned to be a reliever and now Profar's career is in geopardy I'm not as high as many on Gallo and his astronomic k rate so I guess this trend of disappointments will go on.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 20, 2015 20:14:30 GMT -5
Jesus Montero, one year... I hope nobody makes any carrot jokes.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 21, 2015 11:07:37 GMT -5
Mike Antonellis ?@seadogsradio 32m32 minutes ago MLB's revenues have grown 321 percent since 1995…how crazy is that?
Say what you will about Selig but if he worked for the owners, they certainly have nothing to complain about.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 21, 2015 11:24:13 GMT -5
Mike Antonellis ?@seadogsradio 32m32 minutes ago MLB's revenues have grown 321 percent since 1995…how crazy is that? Say what you will about Selig but if he worked for the owners, they certainly have nothing to complain about. That seems to be cherry picking the year after the strike as the starting point to make it sound more impressive. I bet it's a lot less since 1993. But still pretty insane.
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Post by danr on Feb 21, 2015 11:43:00 GMT -5
Mike Antonellis ?@seadogsradio 32m32 minutes ago MLB's revenues have grown 321 percent since 1995…how crazy is that? Say what you will about Selig but if he worked for the owners, they certainly have nothing to complain about. Unlike salaries and wages in other jobs, which on average, taking inflation into account, have barely risen since 1980, baseball salaries have kept pace with the revenues of the owners. The minimum major league baseball player wage in 1995 was $109,000 ($169,319 in 2014 dollars). Now it is a little above $500,000. The national minimum wage for all workers in 1995 was $4.25 per hour ($6.60 in 2014 dollars), or $8,840 per year ($13,732 in 2014 dollars). Today it is $7.25, or $15,080. The average baseball salary in 1995 was $1.07 million ($1.66 million in 2014 dollars). Today it is above $3.4 million. The average household income in the U.S., in 1995, adjusting for inflation, was $50,978. In 2014 it was $51,017. It has not kept up with the growth of the economy. The Gross Domestic Product of the U.S., by comparison, was about $10 trillion in 1995 (in 2014 dollars) and was $17.4 trillion in 2014. MLB has a strong union. Overall, union membership is less than half of what it was in 1980. Yeah, I write about this stuff on a regular basis.
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