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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 18, 2015 10:54:11 GMT -5
The Soxprospects crew is down there and will have it covered so the info that comes along should go here as well as any other info on minor leaguers. We start out with a 17 y/o making an early impression: " Ian Cundall: Just wrapped up our first morning in Fort Myers. Was impressed by 17-yr old OF Yoan Aybar. Long way to go, but definitely a guy to watch."
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Post by mattpicard on Mar 18, 2015 12:53:41 GMT -5
Jon Meoli ? Jon Meoli 33s34 seconds ago #redsox 1st-round pick Michael Chavis starting the spring right. Poked 3B down RF line in first, then pulled a breaking ball for HR to LF. Ian Cundall ? Ian Cundall 2m2 minutes ago Long HR to LF for Michael Chavis in his 2nd AB. Went down and cleared out FB down/in. Impressive bat speed. Ball really jumps off his bat. Very excited to see Chavis develop at the plate this year. Tons of guys to keep a close eye on this year, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him inch into the limelight a little more this season, even with Moncada and all.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 18, 2015 13:09:33 GMT -5
Wow, he's OPSing 4.000.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 18, 2015 13:47:20 GMT -5
4.500 (1.000 obp + 3.500 slg)
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 18, 2015 14:16:47 GMT -5
4.500 (1.000 obp + 3.500 slg) lol, I was doing all that math for a double and a homer.
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Post by jrffam05 on Mar 18, 2015 14:25:03 GMT -5
Pet the twitter feed Ian Cundall Ian Cundall4 ABs for Chavis today. 3B to RF, HR to LF, 2B to RF, BB. Really showed what he can do at the plate. Advanced bat for a High School draftee. Have a day kid.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 18, 2015 14:34:36 GMT -5
OK, now he's OPSing 4.000!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 18, 2015 14:39:48 GMT -5
OK, now he's OPSing 4.000! You're obviously a man ahead of his time. If Chavis was any good, he would have singled rather than walk, for the cycle.
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Post by Smittyw on Mar 18, 2015 14:43:11 GMT -5
It seems like Chavis has been flying under the radar a bit with all the Moncada/Devers hype. Hoping for a nice year from him.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 18, 2015 15:07:02 GMT -5
It seems like Chavis has been flying under the radar a bit with all the Moncada/Devers hype. Hoping for a nice year from him. Oh yeah, remember our 2014 first round pick? I really imagine that guys like that get underrated overall just because of the bias to not have too many prospects from the same team listed in the top 100. Ditto for teams that don't have very many. There's just not enough bandwidth for Chavis hype.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 18, 2015 21:29:14 GMT -5
Looking at the Kelly O'Conner's Chavis pic in Jon Meoli's report news.soxprospects.com/2015/03/anxious-michael-chavis-opens-spring.html : He doesn't look like a second baseman (or shortstop) as has been mentioned by various posters in the past as a future position option. If he was a high school catcher as FanGraphs suggested he's perfect for, he likely would have been a top 5 pick.
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Post by jmei on Mar 18, 2015 21:59:38 GMT -5
I tend to believe that the overweighing of a player's height/weight/build is one of the remaining market inefficiencies out there. If he's got the requisite skills (athleticism/lateral quickness) to play the position, it doesn't matter how stocky he is.
ADD: trying not to pile on, but I also don't think many folks on this forum have seriously suggested that Chavis can play shortstop at the major league level.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 18, 2015 22:07:16 GMT -5
I tend to believe that the overweighing of a player's height/weight/build is one of the remaining market inefficiencies out there. If he's got the requisite skills (athleticism/lateral quickness) to play the position, it doesn't matter how stocky he is. Agree 100%. It's the Garin Cecchini effect. He's tall, so he plays third base, even though third base is the worst position on the field for him (other than catcher I guess) because he freezes and gets flatfooted on liners and hard one-hoppers. He's probably make a pretty good second baseman because his footwork is sound on balls he has to go a distance for. His range wouldn't be phenomenal but he'd be serviceable there and his bat would play up. Anyway, with Chavis I think second is a good starting point. If he has the range to pull it off, great. If not, I think he'll still have the bat to be an asset elsewhere, even in the outfield.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 18, 2015 22:22:05 GMT -5
I tend to believe that the overweighing of a player's height/weight/build is one of the remaining market inefficiencies out there. If he's got the requisite skills (athleticism/lateral quickness) to play the position, it doesn't matter how stocky he is. ADD: trying not to pile on, but I also don't think many folks on this forum have seriously suggested that Chavis can play shortstop at the major league level. Isn't paragraph one and paragraph two a bit of a conflict ? Also, he was drafted as a shortstop and yes there were initial suggestions that they would put him at shortstop until he proved he couldn't handle it. I was also mainly thinking about Mioli's close, quoting Chavis: “Being around Devers, and there’s a lot of third basemen in the organization, I’ve been talking to them, picking their brains and trying to learn the position a little better,” he said. “I think I have a good chance to play [third base]. Whether I’m playing with Devers or one of us has to change positions—if I’m playing the game and I’m hitting, I’ll be happy.” . To me, he doesn't look like somebody you would move to second base in terms of career projection. He's going to be a big boy but not big in the Robinson Cano mold. ADD: and the right side of the infield would be a waste of his arm strength.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 18, 2015 22:45:54 GMT -5
So he's about the same size as Bret Boone, and a bit smaller than Chase Utley. I'm not sure it's wise to project where he might play, at thus point.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 18, 2015 23:01:34 GMT -5
For now he's a third baseman and I actually think he's more likely to stick at third than Devers (mainly because of the arm strength) but I don't see the two of them progressing up the ladder at the same position.
Bret Boone and Chase Utley are not 19 and neither of them is 'stocky'.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 18, 2015 23:47:43 GMT -5
For now he's a third baseman and I actually think he's more likely to stick at third than Devers (mainly because of the arm strength) but I don't see the two of them progressing up the ladder at the same position. Bret Boone and Chase Utley are not 19 and neither of them is 'stocky'. You have got to be kidding. Did you ever watch Boone play? He looked like a smaller barrel-chested version of Youk. And Utley weighs in at 200 Lbs.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 19, 2015 0:09:17 GMT -5
Boone's bottom half was not at all big and Utley is built more like a linebacker than built like a widebody. When I look at that Chavis pic, I see a wide body in the making. C,3B,LF and because of arm maybe RF. We'll see over time but turning him into a second baseman doesn't seem logical to me.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 19, 2015 0:13:34 GMT -5
If there was any chance that Chavis was a catcher then he'd be catching. There's a better chance he pitches a game in the majors than that he catches one.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 19, 2015 0:27:42 GMT -5
Here's Boone and Utley when they were younger (19 & 28 resp.):
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 19, 2015 0:30:47 GMT -5
If there was any chance that Chavis was a catcher then he'd be catching. There's a better chance he pitches a game in the majors than that he catches one. When the Kiley McDaniel (I think) piece was originally brought up suggesting that he'd be the perfect candidate for a conversion to catcher (about a month or so ago), somebody here said that Chavis had already said he didn't want to be a catcher.
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Post by jmei on Mar 19, 2015 6:41:31 GMT -5
I tend to believe that the overweighing of a player's height/weight/build is one of the remaining market inefficiencies out there. If he's got the requisite skills (athleticism/lateral quickness) to play the position, it doesn't matter how stocky he is. ADD: trying not to pile on, but I also don't think many folks on this forum have seriously suggested that Chavis can play shortstop at the major league level. Isn't paragraph one and paragraph two a bit of a conflict ? Also, he was drafted as a shortstop and yes there were initial suggestions that they would put him at shortstop until he proved he couldn't handle it. I was also mainly thinking about Mioli's close, quoting Chavis: “Being around Devers, and there’s a lot of third basemen in the organization, I’ve been talking to them, picking their brains and trying to learn the position a little better,” he said. “I think I have a good chance to play [third base]. Whether I’m playing with Devers or one of us has to change positions—if I’m playing the game and I’m hitting, I’ll be happy.” . To me, he doesn't look like somebody you would move to second base in terms of career projection. He's going to be a big boy but not big in the Robinson Cano mold. ADD: and the right side of the infield would be a waste of his arm strength. There were initial suggestions that they'd play him at shortstop because playing time at 3B and 2B were scarce, but noone thought he would stick at that position. The point is that you should judge a player by his skills, not by his size. If Chavis has the lateral quickness/range to get to balls in the hole and the hands/athleticism to turn double plays, he'll be a fine second baseman, and by most accounts, it sounds like he has enough of those skills to play the keystone. If he loses those skills as he ages/adds weight, then yeah, maybe he's a 3B long-term, but just because he's got a stocky build doesn't mean he's likely to lose a lot of range/athleticism as he ages. Some other stocky second basemen: Jeff Kent, Dan Uggla, Howie Kendrick.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 19, 2015 6:58:21 GMT -5
I just googled Chavis' profile when he was drafted. Most writeups said he'd be a 3B or possibly RF.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 19, 2015 7:34:13 GMT -5
Trust us, nobody thought he was going to stick at short. It was more Middlebrooks/Cecchini "no, trust us, he's not playing shortstop and it's a matter of when" than it was Bogaerts "he might get too big for the position down the line but there's a chance he sticks."
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 19, 2015 7:34:35 GMT -5
Dan Uggla is about as close a body comp that I see, the others aren't as stocky, more V shaped upper torsos especially earlier in their careers (just Googling images).
My opinion is that if Chavis were a second baseman right now, they would leave him there until he showed he couldn't handle it but that it's highly unlikely that second base would be where they would move him to in the future. We can all just agree to disagree, I don't think anybody is likely to change anybody's mind.
As I said earlier, ultimately, I think he's the last man standing at 3B of the current crop so it's likely a moot point anyways.
Also everybody is over-reacting to a minor half sentence I said referring to shortstop. The subject is second base.
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