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3/22 - 3/28 Red Sox Spring Training Gameday Thread
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 24, 2015 16:43:52 GMT -5
The four pitches and the way he mixes them are his biggest asset. He knows what he's doing out there so he attacks with a plan, and his control is very good - those 3 walks today were uncharacteristic. All of that makes him a good call-up if the need arises. I think Wright is in front of him but that he'd be the choice if there was a need for more than one replacement starter at some point. Hopefully, that doesn't happen any time soon or at all.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 24, 2015 16:46:13 GMT -5
Fair to say the rest of his life has been determined, based on spring. I think he has a good point about Johnson though. The start over Owens and Barnes, although it may be nothing, could indicate that this is what the Red Sox are thinking. If it is, then the performance wouldn't cause them to change their minds. He may not have the upside of the other two - but we can always dream he's the next Buehrle... But seriously - I wonder if he is now #6 or #7 on the depth chart. Barnes is competing for a spot in the bullpen, don't forget, so that's why he's not starting at all. As for Johnson vs. Owens, five days ago the roles were reversed. I'm more inclined to think they're just giving Johnson the chance to start, since Owens has started two games already. Starts this spring, including the college exhibitions: 4: Buchholz (+1 MiL game), Porcello (+1 RP), Masterson 3: Miley (+1 RP), Kelly 2: Wright (+3 RP), Owens (+3 RP) 1: Johnson (+4 RP) Escobar and Barnes haven't started, but they were moved into the bullpen competition pretty early on. Rodriguez was optioned too quickly to get a start. I think that there may be a tendency to think of Johnson as more "ready" because of the kind of pitcher he is. Just because he doesn't have as much development room to grow as Owens doesn't mean he's more ready. He's got four pitches, but none of them are overpowering. Let's see him get a regular season Triple-A start or five first. Remember what Owens's numbers looked like before he got to Triple-A. No reason that same adjustment can't happen with Johnson.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 24, 2015 16:54:05 GMT -5
Barnes is competing for a spot in the bullpen, don't forget, so that's why he's not starting at all. As for Johnson vs. Owens, five days ago the roles were reversed. I'm more inclined to think they're just giving Johnson the chance to start, since Owens has started two games already. Starts this spring, including the college exhibitions: 4: Buchholz (+1 MiL game), Porcello (+1 RP), Masterson 3: Miley (+1 RP), Kelly 2: Wright (+3 RP), Owens (+3 RP) 1: Johnson (+4 RP) Escobar and Barnes haven't started, but they were moved into the bullpen competition pretty early on. Rodriguez was optioned too quickly to get a start. I think that there may be a tendency to think of Johnson as more "ready" because of the kind of pitcher he is. Just because he doesn't have as much development room to grow as Owens doesn't mean he's more ready. He's got four pitches, but none of them are overpowering. Let's see him get a regular season Triple-A start or five first. Remember what Owens's numbers looked like before he got to Triple-A. No reason that same adjustment can't happen with Johnson. Thanks for the start totals. Seems rather competitive looking at this. So I guess that based on this he's somewhere between #6 and #8 at this point? Where would you rank him on the depth chart? Also - how much concern is there on keeping a knuckleballer stretched out? If Wright truly is the #6 and Owens needs more time before debuting (which I think he does). Then would this push Wright out of the last bullpen spot as they would want to keep him stretched out? Guess it may depend on the confidence in Johnson going forward. Not much exciting competition going on aside from bullpen and backup OF - so it's fun to speculate at least.
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Post by sittingstill on Mar 24, 2015 19:46:28 GMT -5
I sincerely doubt they even keep score. They're glorified scrimmages. Just to expand on this a bit, in case we have readers who aren't familiar with spring training games: all kinds of things happen in minor league spring training games that don't fit the box score. Major league hitters getting extra work in games often bat second in every inning (sometimes second and third, as when Christian Vazquez and Panda were getting extra work this week by batting in both games taking place on the back fields). Major league pitchers getting extra work may give the opposition more than three outs in order to get enough pitches per inning. On the other hand, if minor league pitchers have thrown enough pitches, the inning may "roll," or end before there are three outs. They track the score, of course, to figure out when the game ends, but that's about it. (In today's game, for example, when Rijo replaced Moncada in the field, both Rijo and Moncada were subsequently batting--and I don't think there was a carefully arranged swap at the DH position, there was simply a request made to the umpire regarding the batting order.)
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 24, 2015 21:34:28 GMT -5
Great explanation. I speak for myself, but I'm largely unfamiliar with what goes on, outside of what I've read on the board. This really fills it in. Thanks.
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Post by dirtywater on Mar 25, 2015 8:20:17 GMT -5
I feel like Eduardo Rodriguez is forgotten man for some of you so enamored with Johnson/Owens/Wright. I know he hasn't pitched much above AA, but I think after several starts in Pawtucket he's going to be up if there's a need, and he's going to stay. He's literally been untouchable since he came over from Baltimore. Something just seems to have clicked for him.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 25, 2015 8:37:03 GMT -5
I feel like Eduardo Rodriguez is forgotten man for some of you so enamored with Johnson/Owens/Wright. I know he hasn't pitched much above AA, but I think after several starts in Pawtucket he's going to be up if there's a need, and he's going to stay. He's literally been untouchable since he came over from Baltimore. Something just seems to have clicked for him. Oh, I don't know... I think it's maybe the opposite. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think there's not much debate about Rodriguez because most feel the same way about him: he's terrific and just needs a little more development time. I'm certainly very high on him, for sure, but I talk about Wright more because there's only so many ways I can say, "Eduardo Rodriguez is the bomb!"
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 25, 2015 9:11:45 GMT -5
I feel like Eduardo Rodriguez is forgotten man for some of you so enamored with Johnson/Owens/Wright. I know he hasn't pitched much above AA, but I think after several starts in Pawtucket he's going to be up if there's a need, and he's going to stay. He's literally been untouchable since he came over from Baltimore. Something just seems to have clicked for him. Well, given that he's on the 40 and Owens/Johnson aren't, I'd bet he's in line before them if it's just a spot start. He might be 2nd behind Wright depending on what they do with Barnes.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 25, 2015 10:10:13 GMT -5
I sincerely doubt they even keep score. They're glorified scrimmages. Just to expand on this a bit, in case we have readers who aren't familiar with spring training games: all kinds of things happen in minor league spring training games that don't fit the box score. Major league hitters getting extra work in games often bat second in every inning (sometimes second and third, as when Christian Vazquez and Panda were getting extra work this week by batting in both games taking place on the back fields). Major league pitchers getting extra work may give the opposition more than three outs in order to get enough pitches per inning. On the other hand, if minor league pitchers have thrown enough pitches, the inning may "roll," or end before there are three outs. They track the score, of course, to figure out when the game ends, but that's about it. (In today's game, for example, when Rijo replaced Moncada in the field, both Rijo and Moncada were subsequently batting--and I don't think there was a carefully arranged swap at the DH position, there was simply a request made to the umpire regarding the batting order.) Y'know, we should do a podcast where we talk about this! news.soxprospects.com/2015/03/podcast-ep-71-spring-training-reports.html(Seriously Kelly, you just distilled the exact conversation we had at one point in here. Do you have ESPN or something?)
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Post by Guidas on Mar 25, 2015 14:29:52 GMT -5
I feel like Eduardo Rodriguez is forgotten man for some of you so enamored with Johnson/Owens/Wright. I know he hasn't pitched much above AA, but I think after several starts in Pawtucket he's going to be up if there's a need, and he's going to stay. He's literally been untouchable since he came over from Baltimore. Something just seems to have clicked for him. Just to be clear - Rodriguez is the only chance the Boston Red Sox have of a #2 starter or better above low A ball right now*. So, no, not forgotten. *According to a few of us nonprofessional evaluators/speculators/opinion expectorators. Several others here think Owens can be a 2. Most scouts say a 3 or less but the hype has been strong with that one.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Mar 25, 2015 15:35:36 GMT -5
I feel like Eduardo Rodriguez is forgotten man for some of you so enamored with Johnson/Owens/Wright. I know he hasn't pitched much above AA, but I think after several starts in Pawtucket he's going to be up if there's a need, and he's going to stay. He's literally been untouchable since he came over from Baltimore. Something just seems to have clicked for him. Just to be clear - Rodriguez is the only chance the Boston Red Sox have of a #2 starter or better above low A ball right now*. So, no, not forgotten. *According to a few of us nonprofessional evaluators/speculators/opinion expectorators. Several others here think Owens can be a 2. Most scouts say a 3 or less but the hype has been strong with that one. There isn't a scout out there that says he can't be a number 2. Many project him to be a #3, but I sincerely doubt anyone thinks he can't be a #2. That is a very important distinction in the uncertain world of pitching.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Mar 25, 2015 21:20:07 GMT -5
Just to be clear - Rodriguez is the only chance the Boston Red Sox have of a #2 starter or better above low A ball right now*. So, no, not forgotten. *According to a few of us nonprofessional evaluators/speculators/opinion expectorators. Several others here think Owens can be a 2. Most scouts say a 3 or less but the hype has been strong with that one. There isn't a scout out there that says he can't be a number 2. Many project him to be a #3, but I sincerely doubt anyone thinks he can't be a #2. That is a very important distinction in the uncertain world of pitching. "I didn't say that I didn't say it. I said that I didn't say that I said it. I want to make that perfectly clear." George Romney
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Post by nomar on Mar 26, 2015 0:15:45 GMT -5
If Rodriguez continues his dominance from the end of last year then he could be projected as a 2. His stuff is just as good as Norris (often projected as a 2) and he's maybe even better at limiting walks. Sky's the limit with Rodriguez.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 26, 2015 7:45:05 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 6m6 minutes ago #RedSox: Betts CF, Pedroia 2B, Ortiz DH, Ramirez LF, Sandoval 3B, Napoli 1B, Victorino RF, Bogaerts SS, Hanigan C, Miley LHP.
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 4s4 seconds ago New #RedSox: Betts CF, Pedroia 2B, Ortiz DH, Ramirez LF, Sandoval 3B, Napoli 1B, Victorino RF, Bogaerts SS, Quintero C, Miley LHP.
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Post by soxfanatic on Mar 26, 2015 8:22:41 GMT -5
Still no Vazquez catching, which is a little worrisome.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 26, 2015 8:32:50 GMT -5
One of the most important games of the year, the race for the Governor's Cup and no TV or audio. They seem to make a big deal out of it, the Governor must have a big cup.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 26, 2015 8:47:13 GMT -5
Still no Vazquez catching, which is a little worrisome. Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp 51s51 seconds ago Farrell said Vazquez (elbow) will catch in a minor-league game Friday, expects "more clear read" on Opening Day chances by the weekend. Note that a few days ago Vazquez said it wasn't the elbow, it was his triceps I believe. ADD: Maybe not: Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 39s39 seconds ago Sox expect to know by weekend if Vazquez, Uehara will be ready for Opening Day. Vazquez' elbow 'improving,' but MRI hasn't been ruled out. Ahhh the clarification: Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 22s22 seconds ago Vazquez initially had elbow soreness, tried to compensate with mechanics, then felt triceps soreness. Will catch minor lg game tomorrow.
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Post by bsout2 on Mar 26, 2015 8:58:34 GMT -5
Still no Vazquez catching, which is a little worrisome. Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp 51s51 seconds ago Farrell said Vazquez (elbow) will catch in a minor-league game Friday, expects "more clear read" on Opening Day chances by the weekend. Note that a few days ago Vazquez said it wasn't the elbow, it was his triceps I believe. ADD: Maybe not: Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 39s39 seconds ago Sox expect to know by weekend if Vazquez, Uehara will be ready for Opening Day. Vazquez' elbow 'improving,' but MRI hasn't been ruled out. Ahhh the clarification: Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 22s22 seconds ago Vazquez initially had elbow soreness, tried to compensate with mechanics, then felt triceps soreness. Will catch minor lg game tomorrow. I don't like this at all. Strong feeling this does not end well, hope I am wrong.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 26, 2015 9:08:15 GMT -5
Vazquez is a pretty big concern for me. I wonder what they do if it's something like TJS on the horizon (knock on wood). Bump up Swihart's timeline or trade?
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Post by mgoetze on Mar 26, 2015 11:00:03 GMT -5
Vazquez is a pretty big concern for me. I wonder what they do if it's something like TJS on the horizon (knock on wood). Bump up Swihart's timeline or trade? Hanigan is very likely better than anyone you'll get in a non-crazy trade at this point. Going with Hanigan as the starter and a replacement-level backup (i.e. Quintero) for a month would not be the end of the world.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 26, 2015 13:12:00 GMT -5
Vazquez is a pretty big concern for me. I wonder what they do if it's something like TJS on the horizon (knock on wood). Bump up Swihart's timeline or trade? Hanigan is very likely better than anyone you'll get in a non-crazy trade at this point. Going with Hanigan as the starter and a replacement-level backup (i.e. Quintero) for a month would not be the end of the world. I agree, but TJS takes longer than a month and we'd still be bumping up Swihart's timeline if he were promoted in May.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 26, 2015 13:17:35 GMT -5
Mookie walked. Way to ruin the game Mookie.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 26, 2015 13:18:15 GMT -5
Mookie with another double and his first walk of spring.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 26, 2015 13:59:03 GMT -5
Mookie with another double and his first walk of spring. In the same at-bat I hope. He's just that good.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 26, 2015 14:25:13 GMT -5
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 15m15 minutes ago Vazquez says he has no doubts about Opening Day. 'I'm going to be ready.' Threw to bases today, felt fine.
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