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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 25, 2015 21:07:54 GMT -5
Koji either needs DL or retirement. 85 isn't a fastball. It's BP. We have him next year next too. I'll never know why they not only didn't trade him, but re-signed him after a bad second half last year. |
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Post by nomar on Apr 25, 2015 21:08:20 GMT -5
Very smart to keep Holt on the bench instead of subbing him in RF too.
We need Craig gone to take the decision out of Farrell's hands. Brentz would hit lefties better anyways.
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Post by nomar on Apr 25, 2015 21:09:05 GMT -5
We better pray Barnes turns into a dominant reliever. Or Escobar when he's healthy.
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Post by ianrs on Apr 25, 2015 21:09:18 GMT -5
Koji either needs DL or retirement. 85 isn't a fastball. It's BP. This. I honestly was hoping they would keep Barnes in the game, he was cruising. I have to say, it never made any sense to me in baseball that the veterans are just given this extra long leash even when its clear their skills have declined (i.e. Craig, Uehara). Its outdated and costs you wins. Let the more skilled players play. |
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Post by mjammz on Apr 25, 2015 21:09:36 GMT -5
Koji's toast and it's a problem that will not be easy to fix.
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Post by johnmark on Apr 25, 2015 21:10:03 GMT -5
Put the best players in the game...this preferential treatment of veteran players is not the wisest philosophy.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 25, 2015 21:13:58 GMT -5
Koji either needs DL or retirement. 85 isn't a fastball. It's BP. We have him next year next too. I'll never know why they not only didn't trade him, but re-signed him after a bad second half last year. Yeah, I was strongly in favor of trading Koji last summer when it was apparent that 2014 was a lost cause. He could have brought some real prospect value. Trading him so soon after his '13 run would have been the ultimate Belichickian cold-blooded move. But it was a necessary one. Koji in 2016 at age 41 for $9 million? Yikes. |
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Post by p23w on Apr 25, 2015 21:15:00 GMT -5
This bullpen needs an overhaul. Thought they would get this right in Spring training. Don't think they did.
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Post by johnmark on Apr 25, 2015 21:16:50 GMT -5
This bullpen needs an overhaul. Thought they would get this right in Spring training. Don't think they did. Olney pointed out the lack of depth in the bullpen in addition to starter quality as the main concern for Boston in 2015. |
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 25, 2015 21:17:23 GMT -5
Bad night for Farrell tonight too. Seems that at least one of Nava and Holt should have been in the OF once we took the lead. Trying to protect a one-run lead with Hanley and Craig out there isn't smart.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Apr 25, 2015 21:25:21 GMT -5
John Farrell now has a -2.7 fWAR this season.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 25, 2015 21:34:13 GMT -5
“@brianmacp: Farrell on Koji: ”He probably doesn’t have the finish to his fastball as we’ve seen.“”
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 25, 2015 21:46:35 GMT -5
Olney pointed out the lack of depth in the bullpen in addition to starter quality as the main concern for Boston in 2015. Depth? Depth is not the problem. The problem is quality. |
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Post by johnmark on Apr 25, 2015 21:53:48 GMT -5
Lack of quality depth, yes. Agreed.
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Post by station13 on Apr 25, 2015 21:54:43 GMT -5
Barnes doesn't seem to have that big fastball as I thought. His velocity is about the same as Tazawa, with less command.
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Post by nomar on Apr 25, 2015 22:01:39 GMT -5
Barnes doesn't seem to have that big fastball as I thought. His velocity is about the same as Tazawa, with less command. He also has barely pitched in relief and the majors. |
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 25, 2015 22:04:02 GMT -5
Lack of quality depth, yes. Agreed. Not at all, we even have quality depth. It's the quality of the guys #1-#7 that's the problem, not #8 onwards. |
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Post by greekgodofpancakes on Apr 25, 2015 23:45:02 GMT -5
I don't need a championship this year. I do want to see progression. I'll be the first to admit that Swihart needs more time in AAA, but I would so much rather see him on the Sox than Hanigan. I would so much rather see JBJ in RF than Victorino or Craig. This team is not making me happy at the moment.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 26, 2015 6:24:27 GMT -5
Uehara needs a DL trip.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 26, 2015 6:46:23 GMT -5
I don't need a championship this year. I do want to see progression. I'll be the first to admit that Swihart needs more time in AAA, but I would so much rather see him on the Sox than Hanigan. I would so much rather see JBJ in RF than Victorino or Craig. This team is not making me happy at the moment. This is a weird complaint. Hanigan has been good and Swihart isn't ready on any number of levels. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 26, 2015 7:01:12 GMT -5
Barnes doesn't seem to have that big fastball as I thought. His velocity is about the same as Tazawa, with less command. It's a tick harder than Tazawa's and it seems to have more movement as well. His command seemed better in the second inning he pitched than the first, and he's new to pitching out of the bullpen, so I'll reserve judgement on that. Overall I thought he looked good, and I suspect he's going to be one of the key guys in the Red Sox bullpen sooner rather than later. |
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Post by soxcentral on Apr 26, 2015 7:37:36 GMT -5
Solid outing for Masterson, a good debut for Barnes, and homers by Xander and Napoli take at least some of the edge off the terrible ending.
I'll bet you don't see Koji on back to back nights much any more this year, or at least over the next couple months.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 26, 2015 7:40:53 GMT -5
Barnes doesn't seem to have that big fastball as I thought. His velocity is about the same as Tazawa, with less command. He also has barely pitched in relief and the majors. I don't see Barnes as a starter. In relief he has more push than Wilson or Workman but IMO not enough to be a mainstay. Mujica, Breslow, Koji ... Ooofff. We need at least one quality starter and two reliable bullpen guys. Does it appear that we have lengthened the innings our starters are going to provide? I don't think so to date. The bullpen, under-manned as it is, is going to be toast. If it had not been for the gift of so many early season unearned runs, where would we be in the standings? Mookie is being cut huge slack but he is emulating JBJ, Middlebrooks and Bogaerts in their career beginnings. Papi is not pulling the load and isn't it time to sit down with Panda concerning his switch hitting woes? |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 26, 2015 8:58:57 GMT -5
Barnes doesn't seem to have that big fastball as I thought. His velocity is about the same as Tazawa, with less command. It's a tick harder than Tazawa's and it seems to have more movement as well. His command seemed better in the second inning he pitched than the first, and he's new to pitching out of the bullpen, so I'll reserve judgement on that. Overall I thought he looked good, and I suspect he's going to be one of the key guys in the Red Sox bullpen sooner rather than later. Yeah, after seeing Koji last night I thought to myself that Barnes is in the pen for good. |
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Post by bigpapismangosalsa on Apr 26, 2015 9:01:41 GMT -5
It really shouldn't surprise anyone that Mookie is struggling this year offensively - just like it really shouldn't have surprised anyone that Bogaerts did last year. Young players who aren't named Mike Trout and Miguel Cabrera often struggle in their first prolonged exposure to the major leagues. Players come up and have their natural abilities - then the league adjusts to them, then they adjust back, and so on and so forth.
People keep forgetting that Mookie only had about 200PA in the majors last season (213 to be exact), or about the same as Bogaerts had combined in April and May last year. Then the league adjusted to him (just as they are to Mookie). Lets not repeat the same mistake and make a panic move and crush the kid's confidence (like we did inexcusably moving Bogaerts for what was left of four months of Stephen Drew).
The other thing we constantly hear is that the jump from AAA to MLB right now is more difficult than it's been in recent years past, and we only need look at last year's crop of rookies to show this. Gregory Polanco has 382 PA with a quad slash of .241/.303/.354/.657; Javier Baez has 229PA and .169/.227/.324/.451; George Springer is at 421PA and .225/.328/.447/.775 overall (but with .200/.289/.354/.643 this season); and Nick Castellanos is at 613PA with a .258/.306/.393/.699 slash line.
For another point of reference, lets use the team we're currently playing - it took Adam Jones (who is probably the single best player in the AL East right now) three stints in the major leagues and nearly 700PA before becoming a consistently above average offensive player, and it took him 6 seasons until he was 25 to become the two way beast he is right now.
The thing about having this great farm system (which we do) is that you have to bring these kids up to the majors at some point, and let them work through their struggles. When we bring up Johnson and Rodriguez, they're going to struggle too - but you keep letting them play. The reason for this is because similar to Betts, Bogaerts, and probably Castillo if healthy instead of Victorino or Craig, their upside is just so much greater, and they're also presently likely better than what you'd get from throwing out the other options on an every day basis.
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