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Layne/Hinojosa called up, Bradley optioned, Varvaro DFAed
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Post by bluechip on Apr 30, 2015 19:17:44 GMT -5
If you're saying this is how it works throughout baseball, then Billy Beane must have missed that memo. Don't believe everything you read, especially if it's written by Michael Lewis. FYI Mayweather and Gutfriend never played Liars Poker for a million dollars. They did not play it for one million dollars in the book...
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Post by moonstone2 on Apr 30, 2015 19:26:07 GMT -5
Don't believe everything you read, especially if it's written by Michael Lewis. FYI Mayweather and Gutfriend never played Liars Poker for a million dollars. They did not play it for one million dollars in the book... Because supposedly Mayweather refused. Whatever the case Gutfriend never proposed playing Liars Poker for a million. Lewis made it up.
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Post by mattpicard on May 3, 2015 13:22:21 GMT -5
Chicago Cubs ?@cubs 7m7 minutes ago #Cubs claimed RHP Anthony Varvaro off waivers from the Red Sox. LHP Joseph Ortiz was designated for assignment to make room on the 40-man.
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Of course.
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Post by grandsalami on May 3, 2015 13:23:12 GMT -5
Chicago Cubs ?@cubs 7m7 minutes ago #Cubs claimed RHP Anthony Varvaro off waivers from the Red Sox. LHP Joseph Ortiz was designated for assignment to make room on the 40-man. -- Of course. Hahaha
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Post by James Dunne on May 3, 2015 16:26:34 GMT -5
I've had a few days to mellow out and not make a snap, angry judgment. So here it is: Considering team needs and player quality, this was the single worst transaction Ben Cherington has made. He had a reliever in Triple-A that he wasn't going to call up, but he DFAs a pretty good major league reliever when he needs a 40-man spot. At the same time, they send down the best healthy right fielder they have in the organization.
The Bailey trade, you say? Reddick was going backwards and didn't have a spot, Head turned out to be a bust, and Alcantara was a wild card who looked good in the low minors but is rehabbing now. Plus, it filled a team need. Hanrahan himself was bad, but getting Holt in the deal for Melancon+ probably made it an overall wash. But this move? Just total nonsense.
I don't think Cherington is a bad GM, but this the type of move that bad GMs make. Just a total disregard for overall roster formation.
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Post by mgoetze on May 3, 2015 17:17:46 GMT -5
I don't think Cherington is a bad GM, but this the type of move that bad GMs make. Agreed. Which is why I think Farrell certainly must have influenced it.
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Post by ericmvan on May 3, 2015 17:54:44 GMT -5
I've had a few days to mellow out and not make a snap, angry judgment. So here it is: Considering team needs and player quality, this was the single worst transaction Ben Cherington has made. He had a reliever in Triple-A that he wasn't going to call up, but he DFAs a pretty good major league reliever when he needs a 40-man spot. At the same time, they send down the best healthy right fielder they have in the organization. The Bailey trade, you say? Reddick was going backwards and didn't have a spot, Head turned out to be a bust, and Alcantara was a wild card who looked good in the low minors but is rehabbing now. Plus, it filled a team need. Hanrahan himself was bad, but getting Holt in the deal for Melancon+ probably made it an overall wash. But this move? Just total nonsense. I don't think Cherington is a bad GM, but this the type of move that bad GMs make. Just a total disregard for overall roster formation. I agree with this analysis, which is why I think it's likely that Varvaro was some kind of seriously bad clubhouse presence. They felt they needed to add a reliever. If Hinojosa was the first choice, as you say, it made no sense to also recall Layne and DFA Varvaro when they could have DFA'd Spruill. Much more likely given an imminent Yankees series, it was Layne they most wanted to add (replacing Bradley), so the second, actually unrelated move was just plain dumping Varvraro and replacing him with Hinojosa because ... well, you needed somebody, he was the best option, and you now had the 40-man roster spot open. Remember that, in the long run, they're probably not adding Hinojosa to the pen; that spot will end up belonging to Layne, Wright, Barnes, or someone bumped from the rotation by Rodriguez or Johnson. This was not a move to get Hinojosa into the pen. Nor was it a move to deal with a short-term bullpen crunch; that move was sending Bradley down, which was unfortunate, and recalling Layne. So it was simply telling Varvaro to go away. Well, he was very good for the Braves, and they did the same, intensely puzzling thing.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 3, 2015 20:42:21 GMT -5
For what it's worth, given that the Cubs, who have the fourth-best record in the NL, were the ones awarded the claim, Varvaro made it through 25 of the 29 MLB teams without being claimed, so it looks like a gamble that nearly paid off.
I agree with James' analysis though. Very strange.
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Post by jmei on May 3, 2015 20:55:17 GMT -5
For what it's worth, given that the Cubs, who have the fourth-best record in the NL, were the ones awarded the claim, Varvaro made it through 25 of the 29 MLB teams without being claimed, so it looks like a gamble that nearly paid off. I agree with James' analysis though. Very strange. In the first month of the season (which is when Varvaro was waived), waiver wire priority is determined by the previous season's records, without it mattering which league the claiming teams are in. So Varvaro only made it through 6 of 29 teams before being claimed.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 3, 2015 21:00:41 GMT -5
Bah, forgot. Good point.
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Post by mattpicard on May 6, 2015 13:45:21 GMT -5
And now the Cubs have DFA'd Varvaro. I don't get it. The guy's fresh off two years as a terrific middle reliever, especially against LHH's.
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Post by grandsalami on May 6, 2015 13:45:46 GMT -5
DFAD by the Cubs
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Post by grandsalami on May 6, 2015 14:05:08 GMT -5
Locker room issue?
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 6, 2015 14:11:08 GMT -5
OK, the Sox DFA'ing him was kind of inexplicable, but I wasn't going to automatically assume they weren't just making a huge mistake. But now the Cubs, too? Seriously, what's going on with him? Does he have a communicable disease? Is he using his pitching talent as a cover to recruit people for ISIS? If there is something, why has no one leaked anything to a reporter, even enough for a "there's more to this story" cryptic tweet?
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Post by nomar on May 6, 2015 17:14:30 GMT -5
I hate making this assumption, but I'm thinking he has to be an awful person.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 6, 2015 17:35:17 GMT -5
Has to. Only explanation.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 7, 2015 6:24:05 GMT -5
Is there any particular reason why nobody is talking about JBJ and his hot start. Is it too small a sample size? Does last years struggles outweigh what he had accomplished at the plate previously? I mean the guy is a gold glove outfielder who if he could just hit over 700 ops along with his base running ability would be an asset, if not to the Sox then to someone. Phillies!! Yet unless I missed it there has been no mention as if he is no longer considered a real prospect. I for one am very happy even if its just as a high end trade chip.
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Post by mgoetze on May 7, 2015 6:32:11 GMT -5
Is there any particular reason why nobody is talking about JBJ and his hot start. I think it's mostly a matter of people having already known for a while that he can demolish AAA pitching - he already did that in 2013. Of course it is encouraging, but seeing him do it at the ML level will be something else. Personally I've thought for quite a while that he'll be good enough to be a starting CF, if not for the Red Sox then for another team, so nothing much has changed from my perspective.
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Post by jimed14 on May 7, 2015 7:53:08 GMT -5
Is there any particular reason why nobody is talking about JBJ and his hot start. Is it too small a sample size? Does last years struggles outweigh what he had accomplished at the plate previously? I mean the guy is a gold glove outfielder who if he could just hit over 700 ops along with his base running ability would be an asset, if not to the Sox then to someone. Phillies!! Yet unless I missed it there has been no mention as if he is no longer considered a real prospect. I for one am very happy even if its just as a high end trade chip. The .408 BABIP is obviously going to come down. But the strikeout rate is a huge, huge improvement. It's at 15.1%, which is close to half what it was last year in the majors and AAA. It seems that some of his power may be sacrificed for it, but that's fine with me. He was never going to hit enough striking out 28% of the time. I think with his new approach he could be a league average hitter in the majors, which is more than enough for him to be a 2-3 WAR player.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 8, 2015 22:44:39 GMT -5
Has to. Only explanation. Explanation: Cubs have no room for him in the bullpen and want to try to waiver him and then outright him to AAA Iowa for future use. Nothing to do with anything else. Other than he is 30-years old.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 8, 2015 22:55:51 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on May 8, 2015 22:58:54 GMT -5
So he cleared waivers? Why did not other team claim him if he was so good.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 8, 2015 23:17:56 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on May 24, 2015 9:39:48 GMT -5
Mystery solved! The mystery of Anthony Varvaro's rocky season start with the Red Sox is solved. The normally dependable 30-year-old Island right-hander, who was waived by Boston in late April after just nine appearances, has a torn flexor tendon in his pitching arm. He will undergo surgery Tuesday at Manhattan's Hospital for Special Surgery and be lost for the season. Mets surgeon, Dr. David Altchek, will perform the operation. The rehabilitation time is expected to be six months, which would have the six-year big leaguer ready to throw again in November. ----- There were several confusing days for the Islander, who was claimed by the Chicago Cubs on May 3 after being released by Boston. The 6-foot, 190-pounder joined the Cubs in St. Louis as a member of the team's 25-man roster. But he never played. After throwing in the Chicago bullpen he was designated for assignment once again, cleared waivers, and was shipped to the team's Triple-A affiliate in Des Moines, Iowa. Instead of reporting immediately to Des Moines, Varvaro was sent to Chicago for tests on his throwing arm. An MRI revealed what was described as "a significant tear." Then the question became which organization was responsible for Varvaro's 2015 salary of $576,000 and the medical costs involved in his surgery and rehab. www.silive.com/sports/advance/gordon/index.ssf/2015/05/islander_big_leaguer_anthony_v.html
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Post by jmei on May 24, 2015 10:12:20 GMT -5
If the Red Sox knew about the injury, they should have had him have surgery/rehab on their dime. Even including his salary, it wouldn't be a seven-figure sum, and the worst-case scenario is that the surgery doesn't take and they release him a year from now, which would not be much of a burden. I'd happily risk that for the upside of a good cost-controlled bullpen arm.
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