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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2016 20:40:34 GMT -5
The Red Sox certainly have a catcher to ship back to the Brewers whether they prefer Swihart, Vazquez, or even Leon.
I'd prefer the Sox deal Vazquez, Leon, or Swihart (in that order). Obviously the Sox would have to give up more, but how much more? And how does that work if the Sox go after Will Smith or somebody like that?
Say Vazquez/Dubon/Light for Lucroy and Smith?
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Post by kidcarter8 on Jul 30, 2016 19:35:53 GMT -5
That's a bit of a light offer, no pun intended
I think Brewers may want a better arm rather than a replacement catcher, which may be holding up the Mets deal for LuCroy (Mets offer was Nimmo plus dArnaud + minor add)
Or they'd of course take a position prospect but it would have to be a very promising one (maybe add a Basabe and upgrade the pitcher from Light, eliminate the C altogether)
If we want just LuCroy or just Smith of course the thinking would change
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 28, 2017 21:27:39 GMT -5
Another trade target of the Sox this year imo. Sandy Leon could be moved (with prospects) in order to facilitate a deal. He is making 5.2 million this year (his number is way less than this now). Again the Sox could move players with salary or get money back in a deal if they want to help facilitate a deal (because of the luxury tax threshold). He also wouldn't cost too much in prospects because he's a free agent at the end of the season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 28, 2017 23:39:37 GMT -5
Another trade target of the Sox this year imo. Sandy Leon could be moved (with prospects) in order to facilitate a deal. He is making 5.2 million this year (his number is way less than this now). Again the Sox could move players with salary or get money back in a deal if they want to help facilitate a deal (because of the luxury tax threshold). He also wouldn't cost too much in prospects because he's a free agent at the end of the season. I'd think Lucroy could fetch more than Sandy Leon. Again there will be about a dozen teams in the playoff race in the two leagues. I'm sure a handful of them could use a catching upgrade, so you'll get competition, and I'd think the competition would wind up making the value higher than Leon. Before you might get 2 top prospects for a guy like that. Maybe now you get one solid prospect and an upside kid. I don't think Sandy Leon fits either category. Swihart, on the other hand, could. He needs to get healthy first, though. Vazquez could be a guy who facilitates a deal like that, although you'd have to question if you want two to three months of Lucroy at the expense of another 4 seasons of Vazquez.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 28, 2017 23:56:17 GMT -5
Another trade target of the Sox this year imo. Sandy Leon could be moved (with prospects) in order to facilitate a deal. He is making 5.2 million this year (his number is way less than this now). Again the Sox could move players with salary or get money back in a deal if they want to help facilitate a deal (because of the luxury tax threshold). He also wouldn't cost too much in prospects because he's a free agent at the end of the season. I'd think Lucroy could fetch more than Sandy Leon. Again there will be about a dozen teams in the playoff race in the two leagues. I'm sure a handful of them could use a catching upgrade, so you'll get competition, and I'd think the competition would wind up making the value higher than Leon. Before you might get 2 top prospects for a guy like that. Maybe now you get one solid prospect and an upside kid. I don't think Sandy Leon fits either category. Swihart, on the other hand, could. He needs to get healthy first, though. Vazquez could be a guy who facilitates a deal like that, although you'd have to question if you want two to three months of Lucroy at the expense of another 4 seasons of Vazquez. Ohh I definitely don't think it's just Sandy Leon and that's it. It would definitely take more than Sandy Leon. Prospects would definitely be added. The option of Vazquez or Swihart to a deal is looking like a definite possibility too, like you mentioned because Texas is going to want a catcher with control ideally if they trade Lucroy.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 29, 2017 0:12:09 GMT -5
I'd think Lucroy could fetch more than Sandy Leon. Again there will be about a dozen teams in the playoff race in the two leagues. I'm sure a handful of them could use a catching upgrade, so you'll get competition, and I'd think the competition would wind up making the value higher than Leon. Before you might get 2 top prospects for a guy like that. Maybe now you get one solid prospect and an upside kid. I don't think Sandy Leon fits either category. Swihart, on the other hand, could. He needs to get healthy first, though. Vazquez could be a guy who facilitates a deal like that, although you'd have to question if you want two to three months of Lucroy at the expense of another 4 seasons of Vazquez. Ohh I definitely don't think it's just Sandy Leon and that's it. It would definitely take more than Sandy Leon. Prospects would definitely be added. The option of Vazquez or Swihart to a deal is looking like a definite possibility too, like you mentioned because Texas is going to want a catcher with control ideally if they trade Lucroy. Ok. If Texas wanted either Vazquez or Swihart for Lucroy, would you do it?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 29, 2017 0:53:32 GMT -5
Ohh I definitely don't think it's just Sandy Leon and that's it. It would definitely take more than Sandy Leon. Prospects would definitely be added. The option of Vazquez or Swihart to a deal is looking like a definite possibility too, like you mentioned because Texas is going to want a catcher with control ideally if they trade Lucroy. Ok. If Texas wanted either Vazquez or Swihart for Lucroy, would you do it? That's a tough one. Basically you're either making a choice of who you want to be the future everyday catcher of the Sox. Either that or whether the Sox would think about resigning Lucroy himself. I'd probably deal Vazquez or Swihart, yes. It's a tough call though. I'd try the Leon and prospects route first though.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 29, 2017 11:56:06 GMT -5
No, we have bigger needs. Our two catchers are just fine, with a young high upside guy in minors. Pass.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 29, 2017 14:28:03 GMT -5
No, we have bigger needs. Our two catchers are just fine, with a young high upside guy in minors. Pass. While the catching situation isn't as dire as the third base situation, it is a situation that you can upgrade at. The high upside catcher hasn't really catched that many games in since July of 2015.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 29, 2017 14:51:38 GMT -5
Have you looked at Vazquez average? What exactly are you upgrading? Our two catchers combined are just fine, good defensive catchers, that can hit a little. You don't need an all star at every position. It just makes no sense.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 29, 2017 14:55:54 GMT -5
Have you looked at Vazquez average? What exactly are you upgrading? Our two catchers combined are just fine, good defensive catchers, that can hit a little. You don't need an all star at every position. It just makes no sense. Have you ever thought that you can also use Lucroy in other ways too? He can play first base to platoon with Moreland. You can keep both Vazquez and get Lucroy.
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Post by jimed14 on May 29, 2017 14:59:21 GMT -5
Have you looked at Vazquez average? What exactly are you upgrading? Our two catchers combined are just fine, good defensive catchers, that can hit a little. You don't need an all star at every position. It just makes no sense. Have you ever thought that you can also use Lucroy in other ways too? He can play first base to platoon with Moreland. You can keep both Vazquez and get Lucroy. Have you ever thought that prospects are for more than just trying to make marginal upgrades? Like for use in the majors or in making necessary trades when there is a huge hole in the roster. The only time you'd think about trading for Lucroy is if it was for a steal. I doubt Texas is dumb.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 29, 2017 15:04:00 GMT -5
Have you looked at Vazquez average? What exactly are you upgrading? Our two catchers combined are just fine, good defensive catchers, that can hit a little. You don't need an all star at every position. It just makes no sense. Have you ever thought that you can also use Lucroy in other ways too? He can play first base to platoon with Moreland. You can keep both Vazquez and get Lucroy. Have you looked at his numbers? His bat isn't great this year, it won't play at 1B. Once again pass. Much better options to upgrade 1B like letting Travis play and it cost you nothing. You act like he's having a great year, like last year, but he's not.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 29, 2017 15:10:24 GMT -5
Have you ever thought that you can also use Lucroy in other ways too? He can play first base to platoon with Moreland. You can keep both Vazquez and get Lucroy. Have you looked at his numbers? His bat isn't great this year, it won't play at 1B. Once again pass. Much better options to upgrade 1B like letting Travis play and it cost you nothing. You act like he's having a great year, like last year, but he's not. He's a proven bat that can start raking at any moment. He has proven that throughout his career. Travis shouldn't be a platoon first baseman this year, he would be getting regular at bats, even it's in the minors. It's okay if he's a platoon for a week or two but he needs to develop defensively.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 29, 2017 15:12:44 GMT -5
Have you ever thought that you can also use Lucroy in other ways too? He can play first base to platoon with Moreland. You can keep both Vazquez and get Lucroy. Have you ever thought that prospects are for more than just trying to make marginal upgrades? Like for use in the majors or in making necessary trades when there is a huge hole in the roster. The only time you'd think about trading for Lucroy is if it was for a steal. I doubt Texas is dumb. Yes but it makes sense to go for it in a year where you are clearly going for it, while trying to stay under the tax threshold. Lucroy fits both of these things that you're looking for.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 29, 2017 16:51:32 GMT -5
Have you ever thought that prospects are for more than just trying to make marginal upgrades? Like for use in the majors or in making necessary trades when there is a huge hole in the roster. The only time you'd think about trading for Lucroy is if it was for a steal. I doubt Texas is dumb. Yes but it makes sense to go for it in a year where you are clearly going for it, while trying to stay under the tax threshold. Lucroy fits both of these things that you're looking for. They're probably "going for it" every year for the new two or three years. Don't see how clearing out the farm system for marginal upgrades is a solution.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 30, 2017 12:41:48 GMT -5
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Jun 5, 2017 11:42:19 GMT -5
Pass on Lucroy. Would love Beltre though.
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