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Post by taftreign on Jul 15, 2013 20:20:48 GMT -5
This guy and Bogaerts are my only untouchables in the system at this point. I've seen him enough live to believe he could help the team this year. The plate discipline and bat control are exceptional. Yes. While Bogaerts is easily the best prospect in the system and a future staple in the middle of the Red Sox lineup Cecchini has been my favorite for awhile now. Seeing him play for Salem multiple times has only reinforced it. In fact I believe you could argue he could be the #2 prospect instead of #3. It is an interesting comparison between Cecchini and Bradley JR. Both are high contact, high average, high OBP hitters but my gut tells me Garin will outhit JB Jr in this regard. Cecchini's size advantage should result in more HR power as he matures as well. He is also a full year younger than JB Jr. While Cecchini can offer some flexibility as an infielder or outfielder (LF) Bradley theoretically offers a greater defensive value because he can play a premium CF. Personally I would have Cecchini as the #2 prospect because I believe in his bat more so than Bradley's. I by no means disregard the value a player adds defensively I am just buying Cecchini's bat is that much better in the long run. I could see a future lineup with Cecchini batting 2 and Bogaerts 3 or very possibly Cecchini 3 and Bogaerts 4 as both hit there prime years.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 15, 2013 23:44:25 GMT -5
Bogaerts clearly has the edge mainly due to the age difference and possibly even defensively and the pop but Cechinni might have a higher floor in regard to his bat and hit for more OBP and average. Cechinni is what lots of people think Moran is. To me he is our #2 at this point.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 16, 2013 0:31:00 GMT -5
Bogaerts clearly has the edge mainly due to the age difference and possibly even defensively and the pop but Cechinni might have a higher floor in regard to his bat and hit for more OBP and average. Cechinni is what lots of people think Moran is. To me he is our #2 at this point. Why thing Bogaerts should be getting reps in at 3b and Cecchini at 1b. Team is needing a LT prospect at 1b anyway. Cecchini would be the obvious fit.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 16, 2013 0:34:53 GMT -5
He does look like he would fit in quite well at 1st base. Check out this video. He does have some size and he looks like he could be an above average 1st baseman. He would lose some value from no longer being at a premium position but a guy who can play 3rd, 1st and the OF has a lot of value also, especially when he is starting out:
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 16, 2013 0:37:45 GMT -5
He's on pace for 72 XBH in a 578 AB season. That is outstanding.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 16, 2013 8:03:24 GMT -5
Bogaerts clearly has the edge mainly due to the age difference and possibly even defensively and the pop but Cechinni might have a higher floor in regard to his bat and hit for more OBP and average. Cechinni is what lots of people think Moran is. To me he is our #2 at this point. Why thing Bogaerts should be getting reps in at 3b and Cecchini at 1b. Team is needing a LT prospect at 1b anyway. Cecchini would be the obvious fit. If by "LT" you mean lefthanded thrower, you'll be disappointed that Garin throws righty.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 16, 2013 8:33:20 GMT -5
Why thing Bogaerts should be getting reps in at 3b and Cecchini at 1b. Team is needing a LT prospect at 1b anyway. Cecchini would be the obvious fit. If by "LT" you mean lefthanded thrower, you'll be disappointed that Garin throws righty. Long term?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 16, 2013 12:08:45 GMT -5
Yea no 3b throw lefty so I'm guessing he didn't mean that.
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Post by oilcansman on Jul 16, 2013 12:56:33 GMT -5
Taftrein:
Bradley is clearly a better prospect than Cecchini. Bradley excels defensively while playing a premium position. Cecchini is considered an average defensive prospect and does not play a premium position. Iggy will stick as ss, Bogie will play third and Cecchini will most likely end up in left field, which is a good spot for him long term. If Middlebrooks can make a go of it at 1st (he sure looks like a mike napoli type to me), the red sox will be in great shape
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Post by godot on Jul 16, 2013 13:22:58 GMT -5
If he stays with the Sox, do not be surprised to see Cecchini at first base. Middlebrooks is starting to look like the man out.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 16, 2013 13:33:00 GMT -5
I think it's more likely Cecchini move to LF than 1B
ADD: He played there with US National team since there were so many "shortstops"
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 16, 2013 13:50:48 GMT -5
I like the concept of Cechinni being a Zobrist type player. Capable of playing the OF, 1st, 3rd and even possibly 2nd. He is clearly a baseball rat and it would be great to have that type of player on the roster. We are in no hurry to bring him up. It's not like he hasn't had time to develop defensively at 3rd but he has not excelled there defensively. It would seem that he would be more suited to 1st and the OF in some ways if Iglesias does stick at SS and we can move Bogaerts to 3rd.
I would like to keep his bat in the org but we have a logjam at 3rd potentially in the future. I don't see moving Middlebrooks to 1st as Cechinni looks to be more suited for that option. I see Cechinni as having more defensive flexibility in general. In the long run we should look to spending the bucks for a big bopper in 1st and in LF at some point anyway.
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Post by azblue on Jul 16, 2013 14:08:30 GMT -5
Wade Boggs was stalled in the minors for 2-3 years because no one thought he had power or defensive polish. Not saying that Cechinni = Boggs, but he is looking like a .300 hitter at any level.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 16, 2013 14:17:41 GMT -5
I like the concept of Cechinni being a Zobrist type player. Capable of playing the OF, 1st, 3rd and even possibly 2nd. He is clearly a baseball rat and it would be great to have that type of player on the roster. We are in no hurry to bring him up. It's not like he hasn't had time to develop defensively at 3rd but he has not excelled there defensively. It would seem that he would be more suited to 1st and the OF in some ways if Iglesias does stick at SS and we can move Bogaerts to 3rd. I would like to keep his bat in the org but we have a logjam at 3rd potentially in the future. I don't see moving Middlebrooks to 1st as Cechinni looks to be more suited for that option. I see Cechinni as having more defensive flexibility in general. In the long run we should look to spending the bucks for a big bopper in 1st and in LF at some point anyway. I doubt if it plays out this way. But, I'd love to keep Ellsbury. Let Napoli walk and move Nava to 1b. Keeping Salty too. Xanders plays 3b next year. Only moves to short if Iggy sucks at the plate big time. And I don't see that. Go with the 3 speedy of's next year. And, it some point in 2015 Garin takes over for Victorino and moves to LF and Bradley to RF. With Jacoby in CF.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 16, 2013 14:23:00 GMT -5
Now that Cecchini has been promoted and is showing no signs of slowing down, all of a sudden he isn't the guy who looks really good but is a tad bit age advanced. Really liking everything that I see and hear about this kid right now....heres to hoping he has very little hiccups on his way to Boston, which at this pace may be a cup of coffee later in the 2014 season.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 16, 2013 14:33:05 GMT -5
I keep hearing that Cechinni struggles with breaking balls but he led his USA Baseball team in hitting BA with both Harper and Machado on that same team and word was that he was being fed a steady dose of breaking balls in that tournament back then. He seems to have excellent bat speed and he stays back extremely well to me, often taking the ball to LF. He is walking more than he is striking out right. That is a very positive sign even as he advances to AA, I think he continues to hit well as he advances. His development has been effected by huge injuries in his lifetime but he has the tools and experience to advance quickly now. I read once that he played close to 100 games one year in high school. He has lived baseball his entire life.
You know what I like the most about this kid though. When asked which would be the better player, him or his little brother, and he immediately said his little brother. The kid is a leader. Mature. Makes great decisions. He's a ball player in the Pedroia mold. Baseball rat to the max.
Now if we could sign Lincecum we would have the 3 biggest baseball rats in the game.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 16, 2013 16:47:03 GMT -5
I like the concept of Cechinni being a Zobrist type player. Capable of playing the OF, 1st, 3rd and even possibly 2nd. He is clearly a baseball rat and it would be great to have that type of player on the roster. We are in no hurry to bring him up. It's not like he hasn't had time to develop defensively at 3rd but he has not excelled there defensively. It would seem that he would be more suited to 1st and the OF in some ways if Iglesias does stick at SS and we can move Bogaerts to 3rd. I would like to keep his bat in the org but we have a logjam at 3rd potentially in the future. I don't see moving Middlebrooks to 1st as Cechinni looks to be more suited for that option. I see Cechinni as having more defensive flexibility in general. In the long run we should look to spending the bucks for a big bopper in 1st and in LF at some point anyway. I doubt if it plays out this way. But, I'd love to keep Ellsbury. Let Napoli walk and move Nava to 1b. Keeping Salty too. Xanders plays 3b next year. Only moves to short if Iggy sucks at the plate big time. And I don't see that. Go with the 3 speedy of's next year. And, it some point in 2015 Garin takes over for Victorino and moves to LF and Bradley to RF. With Jacoby in CF. I'm all in with this. Although I still hope for Middlebrooks to rediscover the actual dimensions of the strike zone. I've never see balls get out of the park faster than when he squares up on them. The sound off the bat is more pronounced, too. Short of Ells making it back for 4-5 more years in Boston, I think Cecchini would make a great LF. Not sure if he has the pop you look for at 1st, but with his projected OBP, if he could develop 20HR power that may WAR out just fine.
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Post by dewey1972 on Jul 16, 2013 16:48:30 GMT -5
First, I want to emphasize that I really like Cecchini and think he's going to be a good player for a long time.
"I like the concept of Cechinni being a Zobrist type player. Capable of playing the OF, 1st, 3rd and even possibly 2nd." I don't think this is a good comparison. Zobrist is an excellent defender at every position. Cecchini's defense is, from everything I've read, still a weakness.
Secondly, he's adapted to AA well, but I wanted to point out that some of his underlying numbers have gone down significantly. His strikeout rate, which had been at an excellent 13% in Salem, has spiked to 20%. In addition, his isolated power has dropped to .133 in Portland. These two things have been hidden by his ridiculous .446 BABIP. Basically, so far in Portland he's been a guy who walks a lot and hits a ton of singles. Again, I like him a lot and I don't think that's his future, but his slash line of .347/.456/.480 hides that his transition to Portland has not gone quite as smoothly as it might appear. I'm assuming others have noticed this but I hadn't read anyone point it out.
I should note that he does seem to have adapted some, if we can read anything into tiny sample sizes, as he struck out twelve times in his first ten games but just six in his last ten.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 16, 2013 18:17:46 GMT -5
It's a big jump from A ball to AA ball and he is still hitting close to .350 in almost 100 AA AB now. Overall, that is a smooth transition. Not saying he's a 20 year old Bogaerts in AAA ball but he is advancing quickly at least this year, as he appears at full health. Wrist injuries often take more than a year to recover from fully if they are even ever fully recovered from. Indications are real good about his bat.
Agreed that he is not an excellent defender really anywhere but he does appear to be able to handle a range of positions and there is tremendous value in that potentially. And we want to get him in the lineup right. That is one way to do it faster than having him duke it out at 3rd with Bogaerts and Middlebrooks.
Again, long term I'd rather have a major 30-40 HR bopper at 1st but if this method gets him mlb PT, I'm all for it. EDIT: I'm talking about next year. He will be lucky to get any PT in the majors this year.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 16, 2013 19:51:50 GMT -5
First, I want to emphasize that I really like Cecchini and think he's going to be a good player for a long time. "I like the concept of Cechinni being a Zobrist type player. Capable of playing the OF, 1st, 3rd and even possibly 2nd." I don't think this is a good comparison. Zobrist is an excellent defender at every position. Cecchini's defense is, from everything I've read, still a weakness. Secondly, he's adapted to AA well, but I wanted to point out that some of his underlying numbers have gone down significantly. His strikeout rate, which had been at an excellent 13% in Salem, has spiked to 20%. In addition, his isolated power has dropped to .133 in Portland. These two things have been hidden by his ridiculous .446 BABIP. Basically, so far in Portland he's been a guy who walks a lot and hits a ton of singles. Again, I like him a lot and I don't think that's his future, but his slash line of .347/.456/.480 hides that his transition to Portland has not gone quite as smoothly as it might appear. I'm assuming others have noticed this but I hadn't read anyone point it out. I should note that he does seem to have adapted some, if we can read anything into tiny sample sizes, as he struck out twelve times in his first ten games but just six in his last ten. Whatever. He's hitting well in a tiny AA sample, therefore he is Wade Boggs. QED.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 16, 2013 19:53:19 GMT -5
First, I want to emphasize that I really like Cecchini and think he's going to be a good player for a long time. ... Secondly, he's adapted to AA well, but I wanted to point out that some of his underlying numbers have gone down significantly. His strikeout rate, which had been at an excellent 13% in Salem, has spiked to 20%. In addition, his isolated power has dropped to .133 in Portland. These two things have been hidden by his ridiculous .446 BABIP. Basically, so far in Portland he's been a guy who walks a lot and hits a ton of singles. .... Singles? 7 doubles in 20 AA games = 56 in 160. 19 doubles in A this year, 38 last year 2nd HR tonight.
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Post by godot on Jul 16, 2013 20:04:30 GMT -5
He is a big kid and has a good swing and approach, so one would believe their is hr potential. Has anyone seen him and can address this? Sometimes a hitter will focus on contact and putting the ball in play, which sometimes leads to taking the hr out of their arsenal.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2013 22:27:24 GMT -5
I believe in the not-so-distant future some of those many doubles will become homeruns. I do believe he'll hit 20 - 25 homers per year once he matures in the majors. I truly believe in this guy's offense. I figure his future defensively will either be at 1b (where I think he'll provide plenty of offense to justify being a 1b) or LF.
Either Middlebrooks or Bogaerts will wind up at 3b long-term. Short-term I'd like to see Bogaerts have a shot at winning the 3b job this September assuming he continues his progression at Pawtucket as I suspect he will - I think he is capable of helping Boston this season!
Given that, Cecchini I think will be up at some point in mid 2014 to man a 1b/LF spot. He reminds me a little bit of Youks/Bagwell - guys with doubles power who weren't HR hitters in the minors but knew the strike zone well and could hit for average and developed power in the majors as they gained experience. He will be an impact player for the Sox in a couple of years.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 16, 2013 22:29:13 GMT -5
First, I want to emphasize that I really like Cecchini and think he's going to be a good player for a long time. ... Secondly, he's adapted to AA well, but I wanted to point out that some of his underlying numbers have gone down significantly. His strikeout rate, which had been at an excellent 13% in Salem, has spiked to 20%. In addition, his isolated power has dropped to .133 in Portland. These two things have been hidden by his ridiculous .446 BABIP. Basically, so far in Portland he's been a guy who walks a lot and hits a ton of singles. .... Singles? 7 doubles in 20 AA games = 56 in 160. 19 doubles in A this year, 38 last year 2nd HR tonight. Absolutely. We all know we can't make any broad assessments based on the small number of AA games he's played. It's too easy to manipulate the numbers. I can say in Cecchini's last 10 games he is hitting .378 with 6 of his 14 hits being XBHs. He is slugging .649. Lets see how the rest of his season plays out but I like what I'm seeing and I'm all in.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 16, 2013 22:48:29 GMT -5
I believe its most likely any shift for Cecchini off of 3rd would be to LF. Now for those who are considering him at 1st it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities. Most importantly though isn't his bat but whether he can provide a level of defense at the position to make it work. Otherwise the argument for if he has enough power depends on what you are willing to accept. If the power doesn't grow significantly are you willing to have some version between a Joe Maeur / Kevin Youkilis / John Olerud / Joey Votto type first baseman. Not to say he will necessarily reach any of these lofty heights but this may be more the style of first baseman you end up with.
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