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nomar
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Post by nomar on Jul 18, 2013 7:20:40 GMT -5
I still want to know what happened to Kotchman between 04 and 05. I feel like he must've changed something about his swing. He Never hit for high averages again and in the major never can sustain a .300 BABIP.
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Post by bsout2 on Jul 18, 2013 7:51:02 GMT -5
You know what is really weird? Daniel Nava born 2/22/83 and Casey Kotchman born 2/22/83. Nava just broke on to the scene and Kotchman seems like forever ago.
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Post by jmei on Jul 18, 2013 7:59:49 GMT -5
Let's simmer down now and keep the discussion to Cecchini.
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'At the end of the day, we bang. We bang. We're going to swing.' Alex Verdugo
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Post by radiohix on Jul 18, 2013 8:45:42 GMT -5
Cecchini wears number 7 with the Sea Dogs which was Xander Bogaerts number before being promoted to Pawtucket. I don't know about you guys but I found this cool
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 9:00:12 GMT -5
I still want to know what happened to Kotchman between 04 and 05. I feel like he must've changed something about his swing. He Never hit for high averages again and in the major never can sustain a .300 BABIP. I think a possible explanation is that injuries that Kotchman had in the minors came back to dog him in the majors. This sapped his ability to consistantly drive the ball, which in turn leads to a low BABIP. Kotchman from what I remember has always had a nice looking swing and probably still does. His low career K rate is evidence of that.
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Post by jmei on Jul 18, 2013 10:05:35 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Jul 18, 2013 10:09:45 GMT -5
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 18, 2013 19:31:25 GMT -5
That is a great article. I've always been pretty bullish on Cecchini, but I'm getting sold on him as an elite hitting prospect.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 19, 2013 10:13:52 GMT -5
He is a big kid and has a good swing and approach, so one would believe their is hr potential. Has anyone seen him and can address this? Sometimes a hitter will focus on contact and putting the ball in play, which sometimes leads to taking the hr out of their arsenal. He swings pretty level which leads to more line drives and less homers. Sounds like he went to the Walt Hriniak school of hitting. I hate it but it does lead to higher batting averages. I wouldn't mess with his swing.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 19, 2013 10:28:04 GMT -5
I hate to say it because I would like to keep all highly rated prospects, especially high on base guys with great discipline,but if we look to make a trade for Young, Garza or a good relief pitcher, I think this guy could be the target. Cechhini could be Epstein's kind of guy and his power would play up at Rigley. We have Xander and Middlebrooks has lost lustre. I would not be surprised to see Ranaudo or RDLR go either. Owens possible.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 19, 2013 10:32:02 GMT -5
I hate to say it because I would like to keep all highly rated prospects, especially high on base guys with great discipline,but if we look to make a trade for Young, Garza or a good relief pitcher, I think this guy could be the target. Cechhini could be Epstein's kind of guy and his power would play up at Rigley. We have Xander and Middlebrooks has lost lustre. I would not be surprised to see Ranaudo or RDLR go either. Owens possible. I don't want Young for free and wouldn't give up anyone but Ranaudo out of the top 8 for Garza.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 19, 2013 10:39:14 GMT -5
I hate to say it because I would like to keep all highly rated prospects, especially high on base guys with great discipline,but if we look to make a trade for Young, Garza or a good relief pitcher, I think this guy could be the target. Cechhini could be Epstein's kind of guy and his power would play up at Rigley. We have Xander and Middlebrooks has lost lustre. I would not be surprised to see Ranaudo or RDLR go either. Owens possible. Garza is probably going to Rangers. I wouldn't part with Cecchini unless Lee is and cash are coming from Philly. I wouldn't take Young for free.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 19, 2013 10:48:08 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think Young is worth half of Cecchini. The Sox have a whole string of options at third.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 19, 2013 11:16:19 GMT -5
There are a lot of guys out there which are just not worth even a first round pick due to the recent CBA changes. I think the Sox realize that their future is extremely dependent upon at least some of these prospects succeeding. They should consider moving guys like Marrerro or below in order to get that necessary piece for a playoff run, or fill openings from within. Top prospects are at a huge premium now. They are the key to future success.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 19, 2013 11:33:36 GMT -5
And in such situations where incorporating a top prospect into the lineup is key, I think a guy like Cechinni will almost inevitably have to move off of 3rd at some point. 3rd basemen are at a huge premium but we do look like we have maybe at least 3 3rd base studs. They could trade him for another valuable prospect but often if a team really believes in a player they can't find suitable value in return. The opposing team just doesn't consider that player as strongly as we would in order to get commensurate return value.
We probably will not see Cechinni in Boston until next year but they should be at least starting to think about how they could get his bat in the lineup. How can he fit if Bogaerts is slotted at 3rd and Iglesias is at SS? To me, that may well be as a LF or RF option at least some of the time. Losing Ellsbury appears to be probable. We could use Bradley in CF and maybe Cechinni in LF ( along with Victorino and Nava ) and have an extremely cost controlled OF with hopefully some excellent overall performance still. Moving someone like Cechinni to 1st also has some potential to me. I don't see us bringing back Napoli.
Over time maybe Cechinni is primarily a 3rd baseman but with today's increased competitive environment in mlb, more player flexibility is advised. We see it over and over. Player depth is one of the biggest reasons this team has succeeded this year. Having guys we can send up and down to the minors with options is extremely helpful until they just play themselves into a permanent role.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 19, 2013 12:28:42 GMT -5
Garin Cecchini just shouldn't be traded. This is the type of guy you want on your Club and he's a high ceiling/high floor type prospect. Yes, there are trades I'd make with him, but that type of deal isn't happening so my stance is don't trade him at all. These quotes tell you everything you need to know about the kid - from 2 different articles: not to spoil the quotes before you read them, but a 22 year old kid who writes down his goals and looks at them every day is not the kind of thing you see every day. Fortune 100 CEO's, top sales people and Michael Jordan do that kind of thing. This kid will be very successful if his health allows it. www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/alex-speier/2013/07/15/bogaerts-cecchini-coming-red-sox-ready-enjoy-i"Be an athlete. Go to other positions. Help the team win," Cecchini said. "That's what we did -- totally different situation -- one's the Boston Red Sox, the other is Team USA, but Team USA, we had seven shortstops. You can't play seven shortstops. Manny Machado was a shortstop, Sean Coyle was a third baseman, Harper was a center fielder, I was in left field. It's a good problem to have. It makes your team better. "It's a really good thing to have not only on a player standpoint but on a Red Sox standpoint," Cecchini added of the loaded left side. "I'm competing with Bogaerts, who's an unbelievable player, Middlebrooks, Iglesias. These guys are guys that have been to this game, been to the big leagues for Iglesias and Middlebrooks. This is an awesome problem to have. All I want to do is win. I just want to win in the big leagues when I get to the big leagues. It's a good problem to have with the left side of the infield. That's all I can say." fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/07/15/for-garin-cecchini-one-goal-fulfilled-more-remain/“One of my goals going into the offseason was to make this game — I’m not going to lie. It’s just a dream come true. It’s pretty cool. It’s another stepping stone in my career, and it’s going to be fun,” said Cecchini. “It’s just a huge honor. Look at all these players — these guys are elite players in the minor leagues. … Once you got into pro ball, Futures Game should be one of your goals. Write down your goals. That’s one of the goals I had. Never told anyone. But every time you see those goals every day, you’re like, ‘Wake up — let’s do it.’ ” “Get to the big leagues and help the Red Sox win — that’s a goal I have,” said Cecchini. “That’s written down. That’s the first one.”
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 19, 2013 12:51:28 GMT -5
Garin Cecchini just shouldn't be traded. This is the type of guy you want on your Club and he's a high ceiling/high floor type prospect. Yes, there are trades I'd make with him, but that type of deal isn't happening so my stance is don't trade him at all. These quotes tell you everything you need to know about the kid - from 2 different articles: not to spoil the quotes before you read them, but a 22 year old kid who writes down his goals and looks at them every day is not the kind of thing you see every day. Fortune 100 CEO's, top sales people and Michael Jordan do that kind of thing. This kid will be very successful if his health allows it. www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/alex-speier/2013/07/15/bogaerts-cecchini-coming-red-sox-ready-enjoy-i"Be an athlete. Go to other positions. Help the team win," Cecchini said. "That's what we did -- totally different situation -- one's the Boston Red Sox, the other is Team USA, but Team USA, we had seven shortstops. You can't play seven shortstops. Manny Machado was a shortstop, Sean Coyle was a third baseman, Harper was a center fielder, I was in left field. It's a good problem to have. It makes your team better. "It's a really good thing to have not only on a player standpoint but on a Red Sox standpoint," Cecchini added of the loaded left side. "I'm competing with Bogaerts, who's an unbelievable player, Middlebrooks, Iglesias. These guys are guys that have been to this game, been to the big leagues for Iglesias and Middlebrooks. This is an awesome problem to have. All I want to do is win. I just want to win in the big leagues when I get to the big leagues. It's a good problem to have with the left side of the infield. That's all I can say." fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/07/15/for-garin-cecchini-one-goal-fulfilled-more-remain/“One of my goals going into the offseason was to make this game — I’m not going to lie. It’s just a dream come true. It’s pretty cool. It’s another stepping stone in my career, and it’s going to be fun,” said Cecchini. “It’s just a huge honor. Look at all these players — these guys are elite players in the minor leagues. … Once you got into pro ball, Futures Game should be one of your goals. Write down your goals. That’s one of the goals I had. Never told anyone. But every time you see those goals every day, you’re like, ‘Wake up — let’s do it.’ ” “Get to the big leagues and help the Red Sox win — that’s a goal I have,” said Cecchini. “That’s written down. That’s the first one.” Great post, thanks for the articles.
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Post by awall on Jul 19, 2013 12:59:21 GMT -5
yea, to have guys like Pedroia, JBJ, Bogaerts, Iggy and Cecchini all on the big league team in the not too distant future is something i really really look forward to. all of them are just pure ball players who seem to have great natural baseball instincts and love playing the game.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 19, 2013 13:03:29 GMT -5
Garin Cecchini seems to be following a little along the Nick Castellano's path. Prospect with a plus hit tool who plays 3B but appears may have to move off of 3B in the future and move to the OF. In the mean time will be continually brought up in every trade scenario people concoct until he either reaches the big club or is finally moved. For my money though I'll take Cecchini's hit tool and total offensive package over Castellano's if I had to put my money on one for the future.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 19, 2013 13:05:10 GMT -5
yea, to have guys like Pedroia, JBJ, Bogaerts, Iggy and Cecchini all on the big league team in the not too distant future is something i really really look forward to. all of them are just pure ball players who seem to have great natural baseball instincts and love playing the game. You can win a lot of ballgames over the course of the season with these type of players too. #grinders
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2013 0:35:24 GMT -5
www.baseballamerica.com/draft/ask-ba-2013-draftees-midseason-top-50/Jim Callis using Garin Cecchini as a reference for Colin Moran. Colin Moran, 3b, Marlins (No. 6). Moran was the best pure hitter in the 2013 draft and I see him as a slightly less athletic version of Red Sox third baseman Gavin Cecchini, who was No. 41 on the midseason Top 50 and would be bumped down to No. 46 with the addition of draftees. Moran would fit at No. 49, behind Cecchini, Blue Jays righthander Aaron Sanchez and Phillies lefthander Jesse Biddle, and just ahead of Cubs third baseman Mike Olt. The international crop was lackluster as well this summer, and I wouldn’t put any of those players on the Top 50 at this point. BA’s Ben Badler ranked Dominican outfielder Eloy Jimenez as the best international talent this summer, but Ben also noted that there was no consensus top prospect.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2013 10:57:57 GMT -5
Sorry, deleted justen's post. Gavin should have been Garin in the Callis post.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Aug 8, 2013 11:11:51 GMT -5
Does anyone have access to a spray chart for minor league players? Cechinni has 29 doubles in 365 AB so far this year. Is he a guy who could potentially play wallball in Fenway? He is putting up excellent XBH numbers.
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Post by semperfisox on Aug 8, 2013 11:28:34 GMT -5
Does anyone have access to a spray chart for minor league players? Cechinni has 29 doubles in 365 AB so far this year. Is he a guy who could potentially play wallball in Fenway? He is putting up excellent XBH numbers. He'll be a gap hitter for sure. Not much HR power.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 8, 2013 11:28:39 GMT -5
I recall from the few times that I saw Cecchini in Lowell, he definately had a swing which would put many dents in the wall at Fenway. The Hrs will come as power is typically one of the last areas that prospects develop.
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