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5/25-5/27 Red Sox @ Twins Series Thread
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Post by James Dunne on May 25, 2015 14:16:27 GMT -5
Kelly was unlucky, but he was also pretty bad. A couple plays behind him and it would be like 3-0 or 4-0 instead. In a 36-pitch second inning, he got two swinging strikes, allowed a walk, and gave up one line-drive home run shot.
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Post by redsox4242 on May 25, 2015 14:18:30 GMT -5
Productive out from Mookie, moves the runners up. Lets go Papi!
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Post by ray88h66 on May 25, 2015 14:19:24 GMT -5
Kelly has to miss a few bats in this disaster. Yes there was some bad luck, but he throws 95 to 98 and didn't miss many bats.
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Post by benjaminbuttons on May 25, 2015 14:19:41 GMT -5
With a little more luck that HR would have just been a double ofd the Monster and the Sox would have been playing at Fenway.
Cy Young Kelly was ROBBED today guys
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Post by atzar on May 25, 2015 14:20:07 GMT -5
So where were the 'put him in the bullpen' comments after his last two starts?
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Post by jimed14 on May 25, 2015 14:21:05 GMT -5
Kelly was unlucky, but he was also pretty bad. A couple plays behind him and it would be like 3-0 or 4-0 instead. In a 36-pitch second inning, he got two swinging strikes, allowed a walk, and gave up one line-drive home run shot. Bloop single, ground ball double, bloop single - he could have gone 1-2-3. Then it followed with ground ball single, popup, FC because it was hit too soft to be a double play, walk, HR, ground ball single. Then Barnes came in to give up a ground ball single and an infield single before the strikeout. There could have been 9 outs in that inning. There could have been 6 outs for the first 6 batters.
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Post by atzar on May 25, 2015 14:21:27 GMT -5
Also, I wish Don and Jerry would stop quoting this RBI-less streak as if it means anything at all.
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Post by redsox4242 on May 25, 2015 14:22:00 GMT -5
Their it is, Ramirez with his first RBI in May!
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Post by James Dunne on May 25, 2015 14:23:59 GMT -5
Yeah, if his BABIP was .000 it would look like he's having a nice game, even though he really wasn't. And would then be calling him lucky to have escaped allowing only 1 or 2 runs? The point here is that if you don't miss bats then there are more bloops and grounders, and if there are more bloops and grounders then they find holes and miss gloves. Kelly got unlucky but he also pitched badly.
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Post by ianrs on May 25, 2015 14:24:55 GMT -5
Also, I wish Don and Jerry would stop quoting this RBI-less streak as if it means anything at all. I'm impressed that you have any hope at all for Don and Jerry saying something intelligent or analytical.
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Post by juanpena on May 25, 2015 14:25:18 GMT -5
Kelly was unlucky, but he was also pretty bad. A couple plays behind him and it would be like 3-0 or 4-0 instead. In a 36-pitch second inning, he got two swinging strikes, allowed a walk, and gave up one line-drive home run shot. Bloop single, ground ball double, bloop single - he could have gone 1-2-3. Then it followed with ground ball single, popup, FC because it was hit too soft to be a double play, walk, HR, ground ball single. Then Barnes came in to give up a ground ball single and an infield single before the strikeout. There could have been 9 outs in that inning. If he gets Mauer or Plouffe and ends the inning down 4-0, you could chalk it up to bad luck. Every hitter has an innings with bloops and bleeders, but the key is to stop it when it gets out of hand. A walk and a meatball for a three-run bomb is all on Kelly, whether the inning "could" have been over before that or not.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 25, 2015 14:25:19 GMT -5
Was hoping to get to Napoli that inning with 2 men on the way he's been hitting
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Post by jimed14 on May 25, 2015 14:25:46 GMT -5
Yeah, if his BABIP was .000 it would look like he's having a nice game, even though he really wasn't. And would then be calling him lucky to have escaped allowing only 1 or 2 runs? The point here is that if you don't miss bats then there are more bloops and grounders, and if there are more bloops and grounders then they find holes and miss gloves. Kelly got unlucky but he also pitched badly. Kelly is pitching to contact now. It usually works when you're getting so many ground balls. See Wade Miley lately.
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Post by benjaminbuttons on May 25, 2015 14:26:14 GMT -5
Kelly was unlucky, but he was also pretty bad. A couple plays behind him and it would be like 3-0 or 4-0 instead. In a 36-pitch second inning, he got two swinging strikes, allowed a walk, and gave up one line-drive home run shot. Bloop single, ground ball double, bloop single - he could have gone 1-2-3. Then it followed with ground ball single, popup, FC because it was hit too soft to be a double play, walk, HR, ground ball single. Then Barnes came in to give up a ground ball single and an infield single before the strikeout. There could have been 9 outs in that inning. I mean you gotta have room for middle ground, all of those ending up in outs would have been just as lucky.
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Post by jimed14 on May 25, 2015 14:26:56 GMT -5
Bloop single, ground ball double, bloop single - he could have gone 1-2-3. Then it followed with ground ball single, popup, FC because it was hit too soft to be a double play, walk, HR, ground ball single. Then Barnes came in to give up a ground ball single and an infield single before the strikeout. There could have been 9 outs in that inning. I mean you gotta have room for middle ground, all of those ending up in outs would have been just as lucky. I think only 3 of them would have been possible.
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Post by ray88h66 on May 25, 2015 14:28:01 GMT -5
Kelly was unlucky, but he was also pretty bad. A couple plays behind him and it would be like 3-0 or 4-0 instead. In a 36-pitch second inning, he got two swinging strikes, allowed a walk, and gave up one line-drive home run shot. Bloop single, ground ball double, bloop single - he could have gone 1-2-3. Then it followed with ground ball single, popup, FC because it was hit too soft to be a double play, walk, HR, ground ball single. Then Barnes came in to give up a ground ball single and an infield single before the strikeout. There could have been 9 outs in that inning. There could have been 6 outs for the first 6 batters. That shovel is worn out. You can be right and still be wrong.
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Post by mgoetze on May 25, 2015 14:28:33 GMT -5
Wow and then Farrell decides it would be a great idea to fry the bullpen for the series. Sorry, I hate Farrell more than most. But it's not his fault his starting pitcher couldn't miss any bats whatsoever. No, it's not. But there is no connection, it is still absolutely wrong to pull Kelly out of the game. Oh well, Wright should be available after throwing only 75 pitches two days ago...
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Post by benjaminbuttons on May 25, 2015 14:29:54 GMT -5
oh shiiz a little hustle from Hanley
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Post by jimed14 on May 25, 2015 14:29:55 GMT -5
Sorry, I hate Farrell more than most. But it's not his fault his starting pitcher couldn't miss any bats whatsoever. No, it's not. But there is no connection, it is still absolutely wrong to pull Kelly out of the game. Oh well, Wright should be available after throwing only 75 pitches two days ago... 52 pitches in 2 innings including 36 in the 2nd is a done pitcher.
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Post by James Dunne on May 25, 2015 14:30:29 GMT -5
The expected number of outs Kelly would've gotten with that line was about 7.5
So, rounding that up to 8 up, if his line is 2.2 IP, 5 H, 1 BB, 0 K, 1 HR, how many runs would you expect him to have allowed? Probably 3. Maybe 2, maybe 4.
He didn't pitch well.
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Post by jimed14 on May 25, 2015 14:32:48 GMT -5
The expected number of outs Kelly would've gotten with that line was about 7.5 So, rounding that up to 8 up, if his line is 2.2 IP, 5 H, 1 BB, 0 K, 1 HR, how many runs would you expect him to have allowed? Probably 3. Maybe 2, maybe 4. He didn't pitch well. Funny that his xFIP is still under 4 for the season.
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Post by James Dunne on May 25, 2015 14:35:28 GMT -5
I think he's a pretty good pitcher.
Sometimes good pitchers don't pitch well. Sometimes they don't pitch well and get unlucky at the same time.
I'm not trying to extrapolate anything from the fact that he had a bad game other than the fact that he had a bad game.
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Post by atzar on May 25, 2015 14:35:34 GMT -5
Also, I wish Don and Jerry would stop quoting this RBI-less streak as if it means anything at all. I'm impressed that you have any hope at all for Don and Jerry saying something intelligent or analytical. Heh. Touché.
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Post by jimed14 on May 25, 2015 14:39:13 GMT -5
I think he's a pretty good pitcher. Sometimes good pitchers don't pitch well. Sometimes they don't pitch well and get unlucky at the same time. I'm not trying to extrapolate anything from the fact that he had a bad game other than the fact that he had a bad game. He looked about as good as Miley yesterday, but all of Miley's balls in play were right at guys.
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Post by James Dunne on May 25, 2015 14:42:59 GMT -5
I think he's a pretty good pitcher. Sometimes good pitchers don't pitch well. Sometimes they don't pitch well and get unlucky at the same time. I'm not trying to extrapolate anything from the fact that he had a bad game other than the fact that he had a bad game. He looked about as good as Miley yesterday, but all of Miley's balls in play were right at guys. Miley allowed only four hits in eight innings despite only striking out two people. He had his lowest swinging strike percentage of the season on the day when he delivered his best box score line of the season. One day you get lucky, the next day you get unlucky. I'm really not sure what your point is.
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