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Post by ethanbein on Jun 8, 2015 20:51:57 GMT -5
From Kiley's draft chat:
Comment From Mike C Not a draft question, but thoughts on Anderson Espinoza?
Kiley McDaniel Very good, much better than his bonus relative to others in his draft class. Some Red Sox fans asked why I had him so high pre-season with no real data, but he had an early verbal deal, like back in November, so the number was lower than his talent warranted. It's about as good as a 17 year old 6'0 righty can look.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jun 8, 2015 22:13:06 GMT -5
Sorry about this not being completely relevant:
How did the Red Sox pick which players go on which DSL team?
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Post by telson13 on Jun 8, 2015 22:23:30 GMT -5
As I said its not that I think it's not possible for him to accelerate the time table. But he has thrown 7 innings in the DSL to me is way too early to be talking about that. King Felix was much further along from a phisical stand point. This kid is 160 right now and has a lot of growth to do yet. He needs to build arm strength to handle a full season workload. Those guys you mention were really advance phisically and were "maxout" at that point so it makes sense that they could handle moving so fast as teenagers. The comparison is not just how hard you throw. Maybe he is phenom and moves incredibly fast like Felix or Doc. But opening next year in Lowell would be incredibly fast to me. Doc Gooden was a scrawny 6'3" and about 180 lbs as a rookie. When one talks about "filling out," it's with the idea that the kid is going to build strength and velocity. He has plenty of velocity already. Jose Fernandez wasn't exactly a physical specimen his rookie year either. And Pedro, Billy Wagner, Smoky Joe Wood, Tim Lincecum, and a number of others were never big/muscular either. Look at the Espinoza pic with Pedro...they're identical in body type. Some of the world's best endurance athletes are skinny. Special forces guys are routinely thin, wiry, and under 6', and they withstand brutal endurance trials over extended periods. I'm sure Eric has the data somewhere, but there's essentially no evidence for short, light pitchers being more injury prone or more apt to tire. Espinoza's success will determine his rate of advancement; he may need to build endurance but that has nothing to do with adding mass.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 8, 2015 23:08:45 GMT -5
From Kiley's draft chat: Comment From Mike C Not a draft question, but thoughts on Anderson Espinoza? Kiley McDaniel Very good, much better than his bonus relative to others in his draft class. Some Red Sox fans asked why I had him so high pre-season with no real data, but he had an early verbal deal, like back in November, so the number was lower than his talent warranted. It's about as good as a 17 year old 6'0 righty can look. When a talent evaluator calls $1.8M for a 16-y/o an absolute bargain...and it's one of the highest in the player's IFA signing period...that's a good sign.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 9, 2015 6:56:46 GMT -5
From Kiley's draft chat: Comment From Mike C Not a draft question, but thoughts on Anderson Espinoza? Kiley McDaniel Very good, much better than his bonus relative to others in his draft class. Some Red Sox fans asked why I had him so high pre-season with no real data, but he had an early verbal deal, like back in November, so the number was lower than his talent warranted. It's about as good as a 17 year old 6'0 righty can look. Well, then ... nicely played, Red Sox international scouting team. He would've been 15 years old. That's a nice job finding and identifying talent and then locking it up at a good rate.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2015 8:19:16 GMT -5
From Kiley's draft chat: Comment From Mike C Not a draft question, but thoughts on Anderson Espinoza? Kiley McDaniel Very good, much better than his bonus relative to others in his draft class. Some Red Sox fans asked why I had him so high pre-season with no real data, but he had an early verbal deal, like back in November, so the number was lower than his talent warranted. It's about as good as a 17 year old 6'0 righty can look. Well, then ... nicely played, Red Sox international scouting team. He would've been 15 years old. That's a nice job finding and identifying talent and then locking it up at a good rate. The difference under Eddie Romero has really been unreal.
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 21, 2015 15:59:53 GMT -5
Promoted to the GCL, per his agent. So, I assume some of you guys think this is too aggressive based on previous posts in this thread?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 21, 2015 16:27:48 GMT -5
Given that I have 0 connections with the Red Sox and have no idea what their plan was/is sorry if I mislead you or something. They are the one who have the information so if they want to bring him to the GCL great.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jun 21, 2015 19:35:08 GMT -5
A bit early since some of the team rosters are only half-filled and most may not be updated just yet (Espinoza not listed on Sox roster). Still, I went through the GCL rosters on the respective GCL sites, and as of now only one player is younger than Anderson Espinoza, Astros CF Nestor Muriel (06/11/1998). Espinonza (3/9/1998) is the youngest pitcher, over 5 months ahead of Twins Matz Schutte (10/04/1997). I'm sure we'll know exactly how age advanced he is by tomorrow.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 21, 2015 19:49:20 GMT -5
Romero knew to go right to Ven. To me the D.R. Is tapped out relative to what use to be there. It was nice to find Devers.
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Post by alnipper on Jun 22, 2015 12:26:08 GMT -5
I wonder if he dominates the GCL, that he will end up in Lowell. I think he needs to be challenged more, so I like the promotion.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 22, 2015 12:48:20 GMT -5
Doubly Excited!! I will certainly try to take in some of his starts and report back to everyone. I may even attempt one more time to take video. I seem to have been missing a "video" gene. I like some of the young outfielders too like Yoan Ayber, Hamilton, and Rosconi.
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Post by brnichols19873 on Jun 29, 2015 15:19:51 GMT -5
Here's a recent tweet quoting scouts on espinzoa upside...
MLB Prospect Plus @mlbprospectplus Jun 27 Been told by scouts Red Sox have best low farm talent in MLB. Pitching less deep but Anderson Espinoza has ceiling as high as anyone around
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 29, 2015 15:51:26 GMT -5
Here's a recent tweet quoting scouts on espinzoa upside... MLB Prospect Plus @mlbprospectplus Jun 27 Been told by scouts Red Sox have best low farm talent in MLB. Pitching less deep but Anderson Espinoza has ceiling as high as anyone around That does not appear to be a reputable account, fyi. FWIW: MLB Prospect Plus @mlbprospectplus As a huge stoolie I need @stoolpresidente to purchase naming rights to a minor league park! Barstool Stadium has a nice ring to it! If you look at the account, it's clearly some Boston bro posing as a scout and tweeting **** he's read elsewhere.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 29, 2015 17:37:47 GMT -5
Any idea if Espinoza is pitching tomorrow in Sarasota?
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 29, 2015 17:48:31 GMT -5
Any idea if Espinoza is pitching tomorrow in Sarasota? Here's a great SP resource - forum.soxprospects.com/thread/2600/pitching-probables It's an underrated resource that's not used nearly enough. According to this, Espinoza is scheduled to pitch tomorrow. It's the best information we have. I hope you get to go Steve. You relay some greta 1st observations of the GCL Sox. We'd love to hear you observations of Espinoza.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 29, 2015 18:00:13 GMT -5
Any idea if Espinoza is pitching tomorrow in Sarasota? Here's a great SP resource - forum.soxprospects.com/thread/2600/pitching-probables It's an underrated resource that's not used nearly enough. According to this, Espinoza is scheduled to pitch tomorrow. It's the best information we have. I hope you get to go Steve. You relay some greta 1st observations of the GCL Sox. We'd love to hear you observations of Espinoza. Thanks iakovos11! It looks like I will be there and hopefully I will be blown away by young Anderson Espinoza. Excited.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 29, 2015 19:59:54 GMT -5
Here's a great SP resource - forum.soxprospects.com/thread/2600/pitching-probables It's an underrated resource that's not used nearly enough. According to this, Espinoza is scheduled to pitch tomorrow. It's the best information we have. I hope you get to go Steve. You relay some greta 1st observations of the GCL Sox. We'd love to hear you observations of Espinoza. Thanks iakovos11! It looks like I will be there and hopefully I will be blown away by young Anderson Espinoza. Excited. Take a Camera with ya please
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 30, 2015 12:52:11 GMT -5
Wanted to fact check Espinoza being youngest pitcher in the GCL since Minor League Central doesn't have a GCL list. 1998 birthdays in the GCL:
SS Jonathan Arauz, Phillies, 8/3/98 SS Adrian Rondon, Rays, 7/7/98 OF Nestor Muriel, Astros, 6/11/98 SS Wilkerman Garcia, Yankees 1, 4/1/98 RHP Anderson Espinoza, Red Sox, 3/9/98 OF Isranel Wilson, Braves, 3/6/98 3B Juan Yepez, Braves, 2/19/98 C Rodofo Duran, Phillies, 2/19/98 RHP Vince Deyzel, Pirates, 2/9/98 RHP Juan Meza, Blue Jays, 2/4/98
So fifth-youngest, but youngest pitcher.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 30, 2015 13:00:24 GMT -5
And chances are high that he'll be the youngest pitcher in every league he is in as he moves up the ladder.
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Post by nomar on Jun 30, 2015 17:17:59 GMT -5
And chances are high that he'll be the youngest pitcher in every league he is in as he moves up the ladder. How insane is Urias on that note? Unreal.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 30, 2015 19:47:12 GMT -5
And chances are high that he'll be the youngest pitcher in every league he is in as he moves up the ladder. How insane is Urias on that note? Unreal. He was the youngest player in AA by more than half a year and would've been the youngest player in High A. He'd be among the 10 youngest players in Low A. Stupid. Put it this way, Devers is younger than him, but not by much.
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 3, 2015 6:20:46 GMT -5
FWIW, if you want to get more giddy, Gammons quotes a "Red Sox official" on twitter as saying: "We haven't had anyone like Espinoza in decades."
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 7, 2015 12:21:15 GMT -5
Brings his season line to a silly:
27 IP 21H 2 ER 5BB 31K
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 7, 2015 12:22:57 GMT -5
Brings his season line to a silly: 27 IP 21H 2 ER 5BB 31K There's nobody in the Lowell rotation that I wouldn't bump to piggyback duty for Espinoza. Hell, he might be ready for Lowell now, although that Tampa lineup had some sorry looking stats. Should we start taking bets on the date?
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