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radiohix
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'At the end of the day, we bang. We bang. We're going to swing.' Alex Verdugo
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Post by radiohix on May 11, 2016 9:19:40 GMT -5
He struck out 11 batters in 5 IP 5 days ago! Not one iota of concerns on my part.
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Post by telluricrook on May 11, 2016 12:42:27 GMT -5
I just rememeber watching the mlb network and Bil Ripken said he will be rookie of the year in 2017.
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Post by thebogeyman on May 19, 2016 13:00:06 GMT -5
Interesting take from Eric Longenhagen (Fangraphs) in an article for ESPN about team draft needs: "This system is top-heavy but has as much elite-level talent as any in baseball. Yoan Moncada, Rafael Devers and Andrew Benintendi could all be stars, while Anderson Espinoza's likely upside falls just short of that. Some of the lower-level bats are in the midst of breakout seasons, including first baseman Josh Ockimey and outfielder Tate Matheny." That is the first time I have really see someone down on his ceiling, at least recently. Full insider article here: espn.go.com/blog/mlb-draft/insider/post?id=2639
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Post by justen on May 19, 2016 13:11:11 GMT -5
Interesting take from Eric Longenhagen (Fangraphs) in an article for ESPN about team draft needs: "This system is top-heavy but has as much elite-level talent as any in baseball. Yoan Moncada, Rafael Devers and Andrew Benintendi could all be stars, while Anderson Espinoza's likely upside falls just short of that. Some of the lower-level bats are in the midst of breakout seasons, including first baseman Josh Ockimey and outfielder Tate Matheny." That is the first time I have really see someone down on his ceiling, at least recently. Full insider article here: espn.go.com/blog/mlb-draft/insider/post?id=2639The fact that he mentioned Matheny and Ock in the same atmosphere as far as "breakout lower-level bats" (being that Matheny isn't much of a prospect), discredits him a bit in my opinion.
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Post by jmei on May 19, 2016 13:12:38 GMT -5
Yeah, he's just wrong. It happens.
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Post by jimed14 on May 19, 2016 13:13:16 GMT -5
Interesting take from Eric Longenhagen (Fangraphs) in an article for ESPN about team draft needs: "This system is top-heavy but has as much elite-level talent as any in baseball. Yoan Moncada, Rafael Devers and Andrew Benintendi could all be stars, while Anderson Espinoza's likely upside falls just short of that. Some of the lower-level bats are in the midst of breakout seasons, including first baseman Josh Ockimey and outfielder Tate Matheny." That is the first time I have really see someone down on his ceiling, at least recently. Full insider article here: espn.go.com/blog/mlb-draft/insider/post?id=2639The fact that he mentioned Matheny and Ock in the same atmosphere as far as "breakout lower-level bats" (being that Matheny isn't much of a prospect), discredits him a bit in my opinion. It's clear that he took the blue pill instead of the red one.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 19, 2016 18:05:27 GMT -5
The fact that he mentioned Matheny and Ock in the same atmosphere as far as "breakout lower-level bats" (being that Matheny isn't much of a prospect), discredits him a bit in my opinion. It's clear that he took the blue pill instead of the red one. Clearly stolen from Lewis Carroll.
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Post by telson13 on May 20, 2016 1:33:34 GMT -5
It's clear that he took the blue pill instead of the red one. Clearly stolen from Lewis Carroll. As a mathematician, he would've loved analytics. Goose Gossage must hate "Alice in Wonderland."
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Post by okin15 on May 20, 2016 8:58:46 GMT -5
Interesting take from Eric Longenhagen (Fangraphs) in an article for ESPN about team draft needs: "This system is top-heavy but has as much elite-level talent as any in baseball. Yoan Moncada, Rafael Devers and Andrew Benintendi could all be stars, while Anderson Espinoza's likely upside falls just short of that. Some of the lower-level bats are in the midst of breakout seasons, including first baseman Josh Ockimey and outfielder Tate Matheny." That is the first time I have really see someone down on his ceiling, at least recently. I guess you also have to ask, what does "likely upside" mean? I'm not sure it's the same as "ceiling" but it's also clearly not as likely as "could be" from the context. Stupid hedging/English language.
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Post by cologneredsox on May 20, 2016 9:28:39 GMT -5
Interesting take from Eric Longenhagen (Fangraphs) in an article for ESPN about team draft needs: "This system is top-heavy but has as much elite-level talent as any in baseball. Yoan Moncada, Rafael Devers and Andrew Benintendi could all be stars, while Anderson Espinoza's likely upside falls just short of that. Some of the lower-level bats are in the midst of breakout seasons, including first baseman Josh Ockimey and outfielder Tate Matheny." That is the first time I have really see someone down on his ceiling, at least recently. I guess you also have to ask, what does "likely upside" mean? I'm not sure it's the same as "ceiling" but it's also clearly not as likely as "could be" from the context. Stupid hedging/English language. Ha, I guess the problem lies in most languages, speech is always open to interpretation. But especially compared to the other names he sees with a likely all-star upside it's a rather surprising statement.
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alnipper
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Post by alnipper on May 20, 2016 10:32:58 GMT -5
I am just slightly concerned about how he is performing this year. Being an elite pitcher he should not have too many like he is having. He could be just working on stuff that is effecting his results.
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Post by ajs1994 on May 20, 2016 10:38:49 GMT -5
I am just slightly concerned about how he is performing this year. Being an elite pitcher he should not have too many like he is having. He could be just working on stuff that is effecting his results. I for one, am not concerned, for these reasons: Still striking out 11.93/9. It's not like he's struggling to miss bats. He has an FIP of 2.36, which is a huge discrepancy between his ERA (4.40). This is largely due to a .366 babip against and 62.5 LOB%, which are both well off league norms and likely SSS noise. And finally, he's still super young, he just turned 18. The control hasn't been the same, but the rest of the package looks intact.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 20, 2016 10:42:52 GMT -5
I am just slightly concerned about how he is performing this year. Being an elite pitcher he should not have too many like he is having. He could be just working on stuff that is effecting his results. I'll disagree there. Results aren't important in low A ball (sorry Greenville), the learning curve is important. There's a reason they're called Player Development Contracts. Also as far as body changes are concerned, he's considerably stronger looking this year than last. We can't compare his body to Pedro anymore.
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Post by borisman on May 20, 2016 10:55:03 GMT -5
I think Neo will beg to differ that results don't matter. It matters to him. He stated numerous times that he'd like to be in the Bigs by the end of next year so I'm sure he's a little disappointed that he hasn't "dominated" low-A. It's still May so he could go on a tear but I think the Sox brass didn't think his goals were very realistic and may have told him so.
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Post by telluricrook on May 20, 2016 10:58:56 GMT -5
Im starting to just think that the catcher is just garbage.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 21, 2016 1:02:32 GMT -5
Im starting to just think that the catcher is just garbage. Last start, Anderson was clearly missing the target, particularly over the first few innings, he was all over the place. That's not the catcher's fault and Rei's issues aren't defensive anyways. From what I've seen he'll make a fine defensive catcher (his throws have been a bit off but that's typical for low A). For me, I don't feel any more or less about AE as a prospect than I did at season start.
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Post by larrycook on May 21, 2016 19:51:02 GMT -5
I think Neo will beg to differ that results don't matter. It matters to him. He stated numerous times that he'd like to be in the Bigs by the end of next year so I'm sure he's a little disappointed that he hasn't "dominated" low-A. It's still May so he could go on a tear but I think the Sox brass didn't think his goals were very realistic and may have told him so. Hard to be in the majors in less than two years with command issues and two pitches decent pitches. However this is a great time for him to get these things ironed out.
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Post by jmei on May 22, 2016 8:07:17 GMT -5
He's got three pitches with major league potential. The issue is more command and control than needing to add another pitch.
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Post by Guidas on May 22, 2016 10:13:20 GMT -5
He's got three pitches with major league potential. The issue is more command and control than needing to add another pitch. Agreed. And let's remember everyone, he's 18 years old. Basically a high school kid. Very advanced when placed within that context, but even fast-tacking that talent, he needs to put in trhe work. Three or so more years in the minors still has him making an MLB debute at 21-22. That's extremely impressive.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 22, 2016 10:19:55 GMT -5
It's also not like as if he's pitching poorly. He still has an 11.23 K/9 vs 3.48 BB/9 and has yet to give up a HR. Opponents are slashing .262/.338/.335/.663.
I also wanted to add something. My comments from watching his last game regarding his control were specific to that game only. Prior to that specific game, his control was much better. As I said in the game thread, it looked like he was having release point difficulties in the first three innings but that was speculative on my part.
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Post by jmei on Jul 11, 2016 19:22:03 GMT -5
Here's a SoxProspects scouting report of a recent Espinoza start (with bonus Victor Diaz action!): news.soxprospects.com/2016/07/scouting-scratch-anderson-espinoza-and.htmlGood read on why Espinoza seems to be (relatively) struggling this year. It was also mentioned on the latest SoxProspects podcast that fatigue might have something to do with it-- he's already exceeded the number of in-game innings he threw last year, and he could use a skipped or pushed-back start or two to manage his innings. Finally, interesting to note that Ian estimates that he's grown to around 6'1", 180. That's very close to the point where you can no longer really call him undersized, and it's very possible (if not likely) that he grows another inch or so, as 18-year-olds are wont to do.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 11, 2016 19:30:18 GMT -5
Here's a SoxProspects scouting report of a recent Espinoza start (with bonus Victor Diaz action!): news.soxprospects.com/2016/07/scouting-scratch-anderson-espinoza-and.htmlGood read on why Espinoza seems to be (relatively) struggling this year. It was also mentioned on the latest SoxProspects podcast that fatigue might have something to do with it-- he's already exceeded the number of in-game innings he threw last year, and he could use a skipped or pushed-back start or two to manage his innings. Finally, interesting to note that Ian estimates that he's grown to around 6'1", 180. That's very close to the point where you can no longer really call him undersized, and it's very possible (if not likely) that he grows another inch or so, as 18-year-olds are wont to do. I was very wont to do that, too, as an 18-yr old. Let's hope Anderson has better luck (genes) than I did. Seriously, though, great read on Espinoza. Amazing how many here were calling for him to get a cup of coffee in AAA this year. Looks like he won't even sniff AA at this point. Important point, though, being he's still one of the top pitching prospects in all of MiLB.
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Post by huskies15 on Jul 12, 2016 8:12:42 GMT -5
Yeah not worried about him. The stuff is still there and I imagine they'll begin to spread his starts out to allow him to pitch most of the rest of the year
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 12, 2016 8:49:32 GMT -5
The biggest problem with Espinoza's season is that a ton of his grounders are turning into hits because he's in front of a crummy Greenville defense. His .352 BABIP is way out of proportion with his batted ball numbers, but right in line (even a tad lower) with all of the other Greenville starters. He has a 2.99 FIP! It goes without saying, I think, that a 2.99 FIP as an 18-year old in the South Atlantic League is outstanding.
In a way I think that's good that his results have lagged, because it's tempered expectations and presumably allowed him to work on remaining poised when he makes a good pitch, gets a ground ball, and it turns into a hit.
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ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 12, 2016 9:10:53 GMT -5
The biggest problem with Espinoza's season is that a ton of his grounders are turning into hits because he's in front of a crummy Greenville defense. His .352 BABIP is way out of proportion with his batted ball numbers, but right in line (even a tad lower) with all of the other Greenville starters. He has a 2.99 FIP! It goes without saying, I think, that a 2.99 FIP as an 18-year old in the South Atlantic League is outstanding. In a way I think that's good that his results have lagged, because it's tempered expectations and presumably allowed him to work on remaining poised when he makes a good pitch, gets a ground ball, and it turns into a hit. Which is 8 starts averaging 5.1 IP with a 1.49 FIP (41 IP, 41 SO, 4 BB), and 8 averaging 3.8 IP with a 4.33 (30 IP, 24 SO, 23 BB+HBP, 1 HR). If it's true that pitchers who have grown often have some difficulty with their mechanics, then it might be reasonable to think that the percentage of "on" starts will go up. But in any case, you look at the top half of a season to get a better sense of upside. If he had a 2.50 versus 3.50 split, he'd be less exciting. The hope that he'd make it to AA seems crazily optimistic right now, but right now you could send him there and it's a literal coin toss as to whether he'd be solid or very ineffective. All he actually needs to do to get back on the fast track some folks envisioned is improve those odds.
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