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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 9, 2015 13:09:31 GMT -5
Not in love with the pick or the draft, thus far. Clearly, they are focusing on college bats. Appreciate the honesty. It may not be we want to hear but it could be the truth. Otherwise, it is a weak draft and we lacked the quantity of high picks this yr.
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Post by juanpena on Jun 9, 2015 13:12:14 GMT -5
I know you don't draft for need, but are there really no pitchers on the board with a higher ceiling than a fourth outfielder type with no plus tools?
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Post by mjammz on Jun 9, 2015 13:14:26 GMT -5
I'm sure the Red Sox have 1-2 HS players lined up.
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Post by bigpupp on Jun 9, 2015 13:14:58 GMT -5
I like Benintendi and Rei. Matheny not so much and I would have preferred a HS pitcher there.[/quote Grading the draft three picks in. I'm sure everyonve Loved when the Sox took Jon Denney and all his upside in the 3rd round two years ago. Gotta let all the picks be made and how they Red Sox spread the money around before making a judgement, IMO. I remember the collective fist-pump when David Renfroe was taken in '09. That also didn't turn out very well.
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Post by MLBDreams on Jun 9, 2015 13:15:07 GMT -5
That's enough as we have too many OF'ers in depth by signing, claiming waivers, & drafting. Do we need more OF? Matt Millen lost his job as NFL GM for non-stop of taking WR's when other positions need to be addressed.
Let's get LH/RH pitching from HS/college level before any positions to be address.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 9, 2015 13:17:22 GMT -5
FWIW,
I'm reading that some think Matheny could move to 2b where he'd have a better chance of profiling as a regular.
EDIT - and as I finally go back and read the previous posts, I realize that I read them from scouting reports already linked. Glad I could help . . . DOH!
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Post by nomar on Jun 9, 2015 13:17:38 GMT -5
Lots of high floor guys. Benintendi projects as a starting OF, Rei and Matheny hopefully backup catcher and 4th outfielder
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2015 13:18:32 GMT -5
That's enough as we have too many OF'ers in depth by signing, claiming waivers, & drafting. Do we need more OF? Matt Millen lost his job as NFL GM for non-stop of taking WR's when other positions need to be addressed. Let's get LH/RH pitching from HS/college level before any positions to be address. maybe 5-10% of these drafted players make it to the majors in 3-6 years (or more). So yes, we need more outfielders.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Jun 9, 2015 13:20:37 GMT -5
Wow I cannot believe the sheer amount of people who simply do not understand how the draft works. The NFL draft, you expect a contributor with picks in rounds 1-4 maybe 5. In the MLB draft, the odds are only above 50% to be useful for maybe the top 10 picks. You don't draft for need ever
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Post by ramireja on Jun 9, 2015 13:22:58 GMT -5
You guys realize there are 40 rounds right? A little patience, for all we know, these relatively high floor guys sign a little underslot and we draft some higher upside HS arms in rounds 11-40 with a little money to play with. Of course that could be completely wrong, but my point is that its hard to evaluate any one pick without knowing how the next 36 rounds will play out (and eventual signing bonuses for that matter).
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Post by boomer on Jun 9, 2015 13:23:18 GMT -5
By the 4th round in a weak draft, high ceiling HS players left (hoping to go in rounds 1-3) could well decide to take their college commitments. They are even riskier in a weak draft.
College players are safer - particularly because Benintendi and Rei are solid 2 way players with high OPS bats. Hitting with wood is less of a concern than in past years because so many colleges play in large parks with those less bolstering composite bats. Hitters like these guys are rarer now than dominating college pitchers.
Though injured, I thought they might go with the greater potential of Virginia's McCarthy here but Metheney is a pure intangibles guy who simply knows how to play and, after just falling to Arkansas in the Super Regionals, will have less trouble than most players with his transition to the pros. Though good picks where they were chosen, they might get slightly under slot with these college picks to take flyers on high potential HS prospects later.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 9, 2015 13:25:06 GMT -5
Pat Light moving up to Pawtucket per Alex Speier. Positive development (non-draft related)
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 9, 2015 13:26:03 GMT -5
Wow I cannot believe the sheer amount of people who simply do not understand how the draft works. The NFL draft, you expect a contributor with picks in rounds 1-4 maybe 5. In the MLB draft, the odds are only above 50% to be useful for maybe the top 10 picks. You don't draft for need ever Yeah, at MOST, you could look at your system and think, "we're thin on high-end arms, so all things being equal, we'll emphasize that." And you can certainly have some relative weighting of grades and philosophies based on studies of who succeeds. But you really can't get into specific positions, and you can't reach too far down your board to do anything. It's all about stocking as much talent as you can in as many ways as you can (IFA, draft, etc).
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 9, 2015 13:26:19 GMT -5
My unqualified thoughts so far.
Don't like the Benintendi pick with Fulmer on the board. I'm optimistic that the Red Sox like him, but I'm skeptical about a 5'10 190 players power moving to a wood bat, and lack of track record. Hope I'm proved wrong on this.
Don't know anything about Rei, or the talent on the board at the time, but reading the few write ups here I love the profile for 81st overall. Strikeouts don't scare me as much if he has a solid approach and some power, which it sounds like he does, and it also sounds like another plus defender.
Same disclaimer for Matheny, but don't like the profile. I wonder if they plan to move him to 2nd base, but sounds like a player who's ceiling in a depth player.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 9, 2015 13:26:50 GMT -5
That's enough as we have too many OF'ers in depth by signing, claiming waivers, & drafting. Do we need more OF? Matt Millen lost his job as NFL GM for non-stop of taking WR's when other positions need to be addressed. Let's get LH/RH pitching from HS/college level before any positions to be address. So you're saying because he already had drafted Rogers, Williams and Williams, Millen would've been well advised not to take Calvin Johnson?
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 9, 2015 13:27:26 GMT -5
Nats take Mariano Rivera Jr.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2015 13:28:14 GMT -5
Cole Sands' profile sounds good. I want him next. lol
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 9, 2015 13:29:18 GMT -5
Round 5 begins.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 9, 2015 13:30:18 GMT -5
Ryan Burr's delivery.... dear lord
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 9, 2015 13:30:26 GMT -5
Also I feel that the game has been shifting towards being more pitcher friendly. One might not recognize that by looking at our rotation, but I think that makes finding premium offensive players significantly more important than pitchers. Not to mention the whole value of playing 162 games vs. 30+ for a starter or 50+ for a reliever. Plus we can always stockpile these players and make trades for pitchers down the road.
Not that we are trading for Hamels but signing Moncada made Margot more expendable, right? Drafting OF's doesn't marry us to having OF's as we can either trade them, or trade other OF's that we might not have considered trading if we didn't draft OF's. I'm not high on Matheny, but I'm not against the pick simply because he's an OF. That said I would prefer a balance draft of high school/college pitching/batting talent, but you have to work around the other 29 teams and take who you think is the best available, or that will sign.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 9, 2015 13:30:32 GMT -5
I'm guessing it's going to be Logan Allen.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 9, 2015 13:31:46 GMT -5
Chad Smith off the board. He was the top player on my undrafted list.
Now would be a good time to take the Hawaiian pitcher tweeted by Chris Cotillo.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 9, 2015 13:33:45 GMT -5
Pat Light moving up to Pawtucket per Alex Speier. Positive development (non-draft related) Making it draft related ... that makes three guys on the Pawtucket roster drafted in that 2012 pool: Marrero, Johnson, Light. All of them seem likely to have at least some major league career and may have long ones. Not a superstar there, but a solid class if Johnson works out. And maybe Buttrey makes it from lower down. Nothing like the 2011 bonanza, but they had fewer picks and less financial flexibility, of course. Going back through the draft history is a good way to put today in the proper perspective ... with no supplemental pick and no second rounder, Benintendi will have a lot to do with the success of this class.
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Post by thebogeyman on Jun 9, 2015 13:33:46 GMT -5
Chad Smith off the board. He was the top player on my undrafted list. Now would be a good time to take the Hawaiian pitcher tweeted by Chris Cotillo. I wonder what Anthony Kiedis has to say about this pick...
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 9, 2015 13:34:06 GMT -5
Red Sox are up.
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