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Post by kjkramer on Jul 3, 2015 13:13:46 GMT -5
I agree Ortiz is not an ideal situation at 1B but I like it as a temporary "fix"... keep the best offensive team on the field while players are on runs and see if we can somehow play ourselves back in to a position to make a playoff run in the next 2 weeks.... if we do.... go with it until moves can be made either way... if we get in playoff position.. make some additions... if we fall 100% out of contention... make subtractions. I think Ortiz can suck it up a few days at 1b... maybe 3-5 total... over the next few weeks with all the off days and breaks?
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Post by kjkramer on Jul 3, 2015 13:14:50 GMT -5
Because we have seen so little of him for quite a while, it is easy to forget that Victorino is a terrific player when he can play. He is a tremendous defender and he can hit. That's not saying he will hit, given his long layoff, but he has in the past, and he wasn't doing poorly early in the season (.724 OPS). RF has been a virtual zero most of the season in terms of offensive production - almost literally zero except when Holt plays there. Combined with Napoli's season-long slump, the Sox lineup is missing the hitting it needs to have from those two positions. However, De Aza has been a lightening rod and not only does he deserve to play, I think the team needs him to play. He is showing the others how the game should be played and it seems to be having a very positive impact. Ideally, I like the idea of putting Ortiz at first, Hanley at DH, De Aza in left and Victorino in right. That probably is the best lineup the Sox can put on the field right now. I agree with all of that for sure Mainly that DE aza has been a spark and we need to ride him out DAILY
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Post by kjkramer on Jul 3, 2015 13:18:36 GMT -5
It's too bad they can't figure out some strict platoon with Ortiz/Napoli/Hanley at 1B/DH. Maybe Hanley and Napoli against lefties and Hanley and Ortiz against righties. Maybe only let Ortiz play first if he has the next day off (LH starting pitcher next day?) This is the type of thinking I would like to see in a bench coach...... JF would never do the logical thing.... he..well.. nevermind.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 3, 2015 13:41:33 GMT -5
Because we have seen so little of him for quite a while, it is easy to forget that Victorino is a terrific player when he can play. He is a tremendous defender and he can hit. That's not saying he will hit, given his long layoff, but he has in the past, and he wasn't doing poorly early in the season (.724 OPS). RF has been a virtual zero most of the season in terms of offensive production - almost literally zero except when Holt plays there. Combined with Napoli's season-long slump, the Sox lineup is missing the hitting it needs to have from those two positions. However, De Aza has been a lightening rod and not only does he deserve to play, I think the team needs him to play. He is showing the others how the game should be played and it seems to be having a very positive impact. I agree with all of that for sure Mainly that DE aza has been a spark and we need to ride him out DAILY I agree that we need to play DeAza daily, but also that Victorino is an important part of this club (on the few days he is healthy.) I think that De Aza should be able to get 6 days a week spelling Victorino, Napoli and Hanley. He can either learn to play 1B, or he can play LF, and have Hanley at DH and Ortiz at first occasionally. Vic will only be able to play 2-4 days a week anyway, so that's the lion's share of the PT. The hard part is really going to be getting Holt the PT he deserves, not De Aza, but either one of them will come back to earth, or someone will go on the DL or phantom DL (Napoli).If you make JBJ the counter-move for DeAza, you also have the option to actually pinch hit for the catcher with the OFer on the bench. Or you could option JBJ and Swihart, and bring up another bat (Shaw?)
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 3, 2015 13:45:05 GMT -5
Because we have seen so little of him for quite a while, it is easy to forget that Victorino is a terrific player when he can play. He is a tremendous defender and he can hit. That's not saying he will hit, given his long layoff, but he has in the past, and he wasn't doing poorly early in the season (.724 OPS). RF has been a virtual zero most of the season in terms of offensive production - almost literally zero except when Holt plays there. Combined with Napoli's season-long slump, the Sox lineup is missing the hitting it needs to have from those two positions. However, De Aza has been a lightening rod and not only does he deserve to play, I think the team needs him to play. He is showing the others how the game should be played and it seems to be having a very positive impact. Ideally, I like the idea of putting Ortiz at first, Hanley at DH, De Aza in left and Victorino in right. That probably is the best lineup the Sox can put on the field right now. Victorino is probably at the point of being Castillo-rusty with how little he has played in the last 2 seasons.
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Post by danr on Jul 3, 2015 13:56:36 GMT -5
Ortiz at first is just not a realistic option despite how nice it sounds. Maybe a day a week or something, but he'd be broken in a month if you put him out there every day. It's too bad they can't figure out some strict platoon with Ortiz/Napoli/Hanley at 1B/DH. Maybe Hanley and Napoli against lefties and Hanley and Ortiz against righties. Maybe only let Ortiz play first if he has the next day off (LH starting pitcher next day?) But asking Ortiz to play 1B 2 out of every 3 games is a recipe for disaster; there is probably a good reason he hasn't player more than ten games at 1B since 2004. Of course, you are right. Notice that I used the word "ideally" rather than "practically."
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Post by kjkramer on Jul 3, 2015 13:57:07 GMT -5
IL ove the phantom DL No one needs it more then Napoli. Has De Aza ever played first base? Could he? Does he have the tools? That would be a great thing if he could. I just dont want any of our current hitters to sit outside of Napoli. THey are really putting it together and I love the order as well. Vicky messes with all of that and I dont think he will produce at all andn ot worth it to me even if he somehow did... he is gone and not a part of our future at all!! De Aza actually could be
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Post by danr on Jul 3, 2015 13:59:21 GMT -5
As an alternative idea that is more practical at this point, Holt is a better choice at 1B than Napoli. I am sorry to write that because I like Napoli, but something terrible has happened to him and it doesn't look like it is going to get fixed, at least not this year.
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Post by kjkramer on Jul 3, 2015 14:01:45 GMT -5
Delay adding Vicky for any reason would be my call
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Post by okin15 on Jul 3, 2015 14:07:17 GMT -5
Delay adding Vicky for any reason would be my call true. it won't be long until De Aza comes back to earth anyway.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 3, 2015 14:51:25 GMT -5
After 13 years of mentions of "maybe Ortiz is an option at first base" maybe it's time to let that one die.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 3, 2015 14:57:51 GMT -5
Noe, Noe Nanette,
Bye Bye Birdie (Leon)?
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Post by klostrophobic on Jul 3, 2015 14:58:22 GMT -5
Ortiz at first is just not a realistic option despite how nice it sounds. Maybe a day a week or something, but he'd be broken in a month if you put him out there every day. It's too bad they can't figure out some strict platoon with Ortiz/Napoli/Hanley at 1B/DH. Maybe Hanley and Napoli against lefties and Hanley and Ortiz against righties. Maybe only let Ortiz play first if he has the next day off (LH starting pitcher next day?) But asking Ortiz to play 1B 2 out of every 3 games is a recipe for disaster; there is probably a good reason he hasn't player more than ten games at 1B since 2004. Of course, you are right. Notice that I used the word "ideally" rather than "practically." If we're going to be talking in ideals maybe we should start following a different organization.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 3, 2015 15:02:29 GMT -5
Maureen Mullen @maureenamullen 38s38 seconds ago Looks like DL for Swihart.
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Post by nomar on Jul 3, 2015 15:14:36 GMT -5
Maureen Mullen @maureenamullen 38s38 seconds ago Looks like DL for Swihart. No sense risking further injury. Get healthy and stay ready to hop into the catching situation, because the Leon era can't last much longer (one would hope).
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Post by kjkramer on Jul 3, 2015 15:15:36 GMT -5
@mikesilvermanbb: Lineup: Betts CF, Holt 2B, Bogaerts SS, Ortiz DH, Ramirez LF, Sandoval 3B, Napoli 1B, De Aza RF, Hanigan C, Masterson starts
Whew!! No Vicky yet. Maybe JF is finally getting it?
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 3, 2015 15:16:38 GMT -5
Nobody calls him Vicky. Why do you keep calling Vicky?
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 3, 2015 15:19:01 GMT -5
@mikesilvermanbb: Lineup: Betts CF, Holt 2B, Bogaerts SS, Ortiz DH, Ramirez LF, Sandoval 3B, Napoli 1B, De Aza RF, Hanigan C, Masterson starts Whew!! No Vicky yet. Maybe JF is finally getting it?
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Post by kjkramer on Jul 3, 2015 15:19:38 GMT -5
JBJ and CASTILLO Seem To Get JERKED Around Quite A Bit This year. I don't think anyone could succeed with their lack of regular playing time and shuffling between Boston and Pawtucket. Not saying either will be successful or not but the way they are "managed" gives them no chance IMHO
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Post by kjkramer on Jul 3, 2015 15:21:33 GMT -5
Sorry,about the "Vicky". I will stop using it on the boards. It is habit. It is something me and my family call him since he is always hurt. I am sorry.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 3, 2015 15:33:51 GMT -5
Finally Ramierz got the call now don't give them a reason to return you.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 3, 2015 15:33:58 GMT -5
Ortiz at first is just not a realistic option despite how nice it sounds. Maybe a day a week or something, but he'd be broken in a month if you put him out there every day. Which, as I've said before, is not necessarily a bad thing if you don't want his option to vest.
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Post by libertine on Jul 3, 2015 16:02:27 GMT -5
Maureen Mullen @maureenamullen 38s38 seconds ago Looks like DL for Swihart. No sense risking further injury. Get healthy and stay ready to hop into the catching situation, because the Leon era can't last much longer (one would hope). What did he hurt now? Or is this still having to do with the sprained foot?
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Post by nomar on Jul 3, 2015 16:10:20 GMT -5
No sense risking further injury. Get healthy and stay ready to hop into the catching situation, because the Leon era can't last much longer (one would hope). What did he hurt now? Or is this still having to do with the sprained foot? I believe it's the foot still.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 3, 2015 16:14:22 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo 1m1 minute ago Boston, MA Pablo Sandoval taking grounders at first base
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