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Post by James Dunne on May 4, 2016 11:31:08 GMT -5
Elroy Face had what was described as a forkball and Ray Culp had a "palmball" that was a fantastic pitch for him as his velocity dropped. I assumed that the palmball is placed back in the palm so that the wrist and fingers do not impart velocity. I don't know how the forkball differs from the splitter, if any. Bob Stanley had a great palmball, too. In the forkball, the fingers are actually on the sides of the ball, at 9 and 3 on the clock. You need very big hands. In the splitter, the fingers are more at 10 and 2. That's all of it. In the splitter, the ball is also held a bit more out on the fingertips. The forkball grip chokes the ball more, as you would expect from a changeup variant. And yeah, Kevin Appier's forkball was phenomenal. Am I correct in recalling that he was Bill James' favorite pitcher? I feel like he talked about it in one of those player ratings books he put out in the mid-90's
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Post by telson13 on May 4, 2016 16:57:53 GMT -5
Elroy Face had what was described as a forkball and Ray Culp had a "palmball" that was a fantastic pitch for him as his velocity dropped. I assumed that the palmball is placed back in the palm so that the wrist and fingers do not impart velocity. I don't know how the forkball differs from the splitter, if any. Bob Stanley had a great palmball, too. In the forkball, the fingers are actually on the sides of the ball, at 9 and 3 on the clock. You need very big hands. In the splitter, the fingers are more at 10 and 2. That's all of it. I don't remember who it was, but I remember seeing an interview with a guy who hurt his fingers (permanently) by trying to stretch them to throw the forkball. Long time ago, so I don't know the specific injury. But they did explain exactly what you said, the relative difference in finger spread. The forkball had a night velo drop for the same reason the palm ball did...prolonged contact with the hand/no finger contribution to velocity. If you watch closely in the video I posted, you can see Contreras's true forkball grip.
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Post by telson13 on May 8, 2016 0:37:00 GMT -5
Bob Stanley had a great palmball, too. In the forkball, the fingers are actually on the sides of the ball, at 9 and 3 on the clock. You need very big hands. In the splitter, the fingers are more at 10 and 2. That's all of it. In the splitter, the ball is also held a bit more out on the fingertips. The forkball grip chokes the ball more, as you would expect from a changeup variant. And yeah, Kevin Appier's forkball was phenomenal. Am I correct in recalling that he was Bill James' favorite pitcher? I feel like he talked about it in one of those player ratings books he put out in the mid-90's Remember when the Sox had Appier and Sosa signed to deals when MLB "forced" the 4-year control rule, making a bunch of guys FAs in '94? Raudes had a nice comeback start last time out. Good to see him bounce back and get a solid five in. One of the main things I've started watching for in the younger prospects...making adjustments quickly/not getting bogged down. Espinoza did the same. Says something about makeup I think, staying committed and on an even keel.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 9, 2016 9:10:23 GMT -5
I hate that they won't let guys throw splitters or fork balls. Two of the most difficult pitches to hit. Sure there is link to elbow injury but there are also careers made off of them. I wonder how many guys get injured throwing them versus how many guys don't make it because they can't. Raudes is the type of guy we should let throw it. Not like his other stuff is off the charts... Maybe he's a top pitching prospect with it.
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Post by radiohix on May 24, 2016 13:35:05 GMT -5
From SP.com scouting reports: "Feel and command are ahead of stuff at present and allowed Raudes to excel against complex-level hitters, but he will be challenged in full-season ball." So far, it doesn't look that way, he's still the same pitcher: He doesn't give free passes (1.89 BB/9 and 0 HBP) and strikes out a batter per inning. He's the second youngest prospect in the South Atlantic League (a month older than the chosen one). He's pretty good.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 1, 2016 12:08:52 GMT -5
Lower WHIP in Greenville by June 1.....Raudes or Espinoza? Having a conversation with myself but.... Raudes: 1.12 Espinoza: 1.19 At least it was close. (DISCLAIMER: I'm not at all suggesting Raudes is even half the prospect that Espinoza is, its just nice to see both guys handling single-A pretty well).
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 15, 2016 14:01:40 GMT -5
Dan (Augusta, ME): How projectable is Roniel Raudes?
Ben Badler: I don't know that there's a ton of physical projection, but his feel for pitching for his age is outstanding and his curveball is a legitimate out pitch. The fastball is light, but if he can squeeze a little extra out of that, which I think is reasonable given his youth, he could be a back-end starter.
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Post by brnichols19873 on Jul 3, 2016 15:51:10 GMT -5
I just watched Raudes start from last night where he had the following impressive line: 6ip 3h 2er 7k 1bb...most intriguing had to be the fact that he was throwing a very advanced changeup that was consistently fooling hitters as his arm speed and release on the pitch are almost identical to that of his fastball. This is a new development as he was almost exclusively fb/cb in the first half of season and it appears that he will be almost exclusively fb/ch here on out; watched rather quickly but all could make out was one curve all night. In regards to a grade on the pitch, i reached out to sox prospects own ian cundall on twitter who was in attendance at the game and his assessment was truly mesmerizing to say the least:
-Question: how'd Raudes look? Cundall: he was impressive. Doesn't have velocity, but really knows how to pitch and misses bats. Will have a full write up this week. -Question: What was working well for Raudes? Cundall: Changeup mainly which allowed his fastball to play up -Question: plus potential? when u say it made fastball play up would that have plus potential then? Cundall: Yea 55-60 potential. Fastball is still average only 88-90 which is fringe-average velo for a RHP. -Question: thanks last Q: curve future grade? Overall future grade? Cundall: it wasn't as good as I've seen in the past tonight. Based on tonight only avg., but it has flashed plus other looks.
So according to this updated scouting report it appears that raudes has 2 future plus 55-60 potential pitches along with a fringe avg fastball: all this with plus plus control/command...that would be a better repertoire than either brian johnson or henry owens at their peak when they both approached top 50 prospect status....
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Post by ramireja on Jul 6, 2016 15:50:48 GMT -5
The scouting scratch was great with really thorough detail. I enjoyed it and am excited to hear about the progress on his changeup. It will be interesting to see how he advances should he always sit in the 88-90mph range. I personally like him enough to put him in my top 15 prospects.
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Post by jmei on Jul 6, 2016 16:38:08 GMT -5
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Post by burk on Jul 6, 2016 17:22:23 GMT -5
I believe he pitches in Lexington tomorrow. Hopefully, it doesn't rain b/c I'm going and looking forward to it. Try to always catch Greenville every time they come to Lexington.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 7, 2016 6:53:48 GMT -5
Cool! Try to give us your thoughts/observations Burk.
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Post by burk on Jul 8, 2016 1:27:57 GMT -5
Alright here is what I got for you. I am going to write about several players which may not be in the right place on the forum but oh well. I give you some thoughts and observations from a former high school assistant coach is old fashioned and not too technical. First, Greenville has got some talented players and most of them are well muscled with room to grow. Raudes was not very sharp, I don't think. He had 7 Ks,mostly on all fastballs, according to park gun 89 was the ceiling, stayed mostly b/t 86-87. He does have excellent control and looks likes he has a plan he wants to execute when pitching. His change was 83 and the curve was 72-76 but had control issues with it. He ias also a little on the thin side. Jake Cosart had 5 Ks, guy throws hard mostly 94-95 with 76 on the curve. His motion takes a lot of effort. Austin Rei- is a very good defensive catcher has a nice quick release with very accurate throws. He also hit a homer. Now for the two men, at least they looked that way. Luis Alex Basabe had a great night. Quick bat from the left side, made several good defensive plays in cf, stole 4 bases, kid runs like the wind, outstanding speed. Josh Ockiney- great swing, fast hands, he can add more muscle to his frame and looks pretty strong as it is. The homer he hit was to dead straight away center about 415 over a 15 foot high wall. A very beautiful, majestic shot. I really liked him and Basabe. Both are good and can contribute in the majors one day. That's it!
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 8, 2016 7:06:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the report, Burk
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Post by ramireja on May 18, 2017 15:19:39 GMT -5
Baseball prospectus scouting report on Raudes, who admittedly hasn't had a great year statistically at High-A and is seemingly losing fanfare as a result. This is a fairly optimistic/positive writeup in my opinion. FYI, Raudes is the first prospect reviewed in this report so you should be able to view without BP subscription.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 21:08:56 GMT -5
Baseball prospectus scouting report on Raudes, who admittedly hasn't had a great year statistically at High-A and is seemingly losing fanfare as a result. This is a fairly optimistic/positive writeup in my opinion. FYI, Raudes is the first prospect reviewed in this report so you should be able to view without BP subscription. Reading through this thread and Raudes an interesting prospect. Seems like there was a lot of talk about him. Would be interested to know if he played winter ball and how he did.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 13, 2018 10:35:25 GMT -5
Baseball prospectus scouting report on Raudes, who admittedly hasn't had a great year statistically at High-A and is seemingly losing fanfare as a result. This is a fairly optimistic/positive writeup in my opinion. FYI, Raudes is the first prospect reviewed in this report so you should be able to view without BP subscription. Reading through this thread and Raudes an interesting prospect. Seems like there was a lot of talk about him. Would be interested to know if he played winter ball and how he did. www.soxprospects.com/fall-winter.htmFor future reference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 12:24:15 GMT -5
Reading through this thread and Raudes an interesting prospect. Seems like there was a lot of talk about him. Would be interested to know if he played winter ball and how he did. www.soxprospects.com/fall-winter.htmFor future reference. My mistake did not see that at the bottom. Thank you
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Post by ramireja on Apr 25, 2018 13:01:21 GMT -5
Newest Notes from the Field on Roniel Raudes who is looking to regain some prospect shine after a lackluster season in High-A last year. He is repeating the level this year but is still only 20 and therefore younger than most of his peers. It will be interesting to see if he maintains the slight uptick in velocity (i.e., sitting 90-92) with any improvements on his secondaries, I believe the changeup has been the highest rated across various sites/scouting looks.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 6, 2019 10:26:48 GMT -5
Probably shouldn't bump such an old thread, but Raudes posted video on his IG of him throwing off a mound. Probably will be ready to go in the spring.
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Post by Costigan on Nov 6, 2019 10:28:36 GMT -5
Probably shouldn't bump such an old thread, but Raudes posted video on his IG of him throwing off a mound. Probably will be ready to go in the spring. Excited to see that wind-up again.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 12, 2022 13:52:14 GMT -5
Highly suggest running a Google Translate on the article. Raudes was a something of a mystery last year and this article spells out why: got a bacterial infection that caused him to lose 44 pounds (at one point couldn't keep any food down), apparently began suffering from anxiety and depression more or less as a direct result of that and asked to be released last year. Red Sox instead put him on restricted list and let him go home to Nicaragua. Odds are against him coming off of 2019 TJ (and having gotten hit hard in High-A before that), but I'll be rooting for the guy. In case anyone else was wondering why Roniel Raudes seemingly dropped off the face of the earth. Sounds like the guy was really going through it, hope he bounces back
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 4, 2022 4:19:20 GMT -5
Pour one out for Roniel Raudes and his obedient curveball.
He was finally released.
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Post by cdj on Jul 4, 2022 21:44:07 GMT -5
Poor guy has been through a lot, I wish him and his mental health the best
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