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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 23, 2015 12:09:38 GMT -5
Scott Kazmir came out of manager's office and started hugging teammates, so he's been moved.
edit: Rosenthal says Astros
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Post by Smittyw on Jul 23, 2015 12:13:53 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal retweeted Oakland Athletics @athletics #Athletics trade LHP Scott Kazmir to Houston for RHP Daniel Mengden and C Jacob Nottingham; recall RHP Arnold Leon
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Post by curll on Jul 23, 2015 12:28:47 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal retweeted Oakland Athletics @athletics #Athletics trade LHP Scott Kazmir to Houston for RHP Daniel Mengden and C Jacob Nottingham; recall RHP Arnold Leon Not a bad return at all. Houston's farm depth is pretty absurd. Nottingham looked fantastic in low-A; I'll ignore his Lancaster numbers because CAL and SSS. Megden is an interesting arm. Nothing spectacular, but could be a decent MR down the line. Potentially a Closer, especially with the A's Bullpen-Mart style of flipping RP.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 23, 2015 15:12:56 GMT -5
MLBTR has a twitter link showing the Tribe is shopping Carrasco by Jeff Passan: Carlos CarrascoIf it's true? Boston should be all over a top of the rotation type who is under team control, dirt cheap through 2020.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 23, 2015 15:45:30 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 23, 2015 15:51:20 GMT -5
Hi Jimoh, Been with Tim since he started MLBTR, but never once joined in on one of those podcasts.. Apologies for stealing your thunder with above post. Just thought that ANY possibility of Boston getting such an outstanding starter like Carrasco, who is under team control for another 5y so cheap should get any Boston fan antsy at the thought :-)
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 23, 2015 16:15:51 GMT -5
Aramis Ramirez to the Pirates, apparently.
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 23, 2015 16:16:57 GMT -5
I don't know if we're gonna have a separate thread for discussion but, why would CLE trade Carrasco? He's under control for four more years at extremely cheap salaries. Even if it's the dump Swisher/Bourn on somebody.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 23, 2015 16:25:33 GMT -5
I don't know if we're gonna have a separate thread for discussion but, why would CLE trade Carrasco? He's under control for four more years at extremely cheap salaries. Even if it's the dump Swisher/Bourn on somebody. I'd personally be willing to pay the prospect price (non ERod, Betts, Bogaerts), then immediately DFA Swisher if had to take his contract, or use Bourne as a 4th/5thOF only covet Carrasco so badly.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 23, 2015 16:33:41 GMT -5
Houston and Pittsburgh are buyers? What is this, the Twilight zone?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 23, 2015 16:35:13 GMT -5
Aramis Ramirez to the Pirates, apparently. For RHP Yhonathan Barrios.
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Post by nomar on Jul 23, 2015 17:25:21 GMT -5
We're not in a spot to eat Bourn or Swisher, I wouldn't think.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 23, 2015 17:57:34 GMT -5
We're not in a spot to eat Bourn or Swisher, I wouldn't think. I dunno.. Either contract would just be like having Napoli's around for 1 more year (14m,or 15m in 2016) and there is no chance either player's option would vest for 2017. You DFA Swisher right away, or stick Bourn on the bench as a 4/5 OF and let him and Boras gripe all they want about the option not vesting. They still have 22m from Victorino and Masterson disappearing and they get that ACE far cheaper than possible 200m for a Cueto in Carrasco for 4.5m next year and just 37m over the next 5y, if they pick up the 2019/20 team options. Sounds workable to me, leaving them room to add a BP piece.
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Post by nomar on Jul 23, 2015 18:01:58 GMT -5
We're not in a spot to eat Bourn or Swisher, I wouldn't think. I dunno.. Either contract would just be like having Napoli's around for 1 more year (14m,or 15m in 2016) and there is no chance either player's option would vest for 2017. You DFA Swisher right away, or stick Bourn on the bench as a 4/5 OF and let him and Boras gripe all they want about the option not vesting. They still have 22m from Victorino and Masterson disappearing and they get that ACE far cheaper than possible 200m for a Cueto in Carrasco for 4.5m next year and just 37m over the next 5y, if they pick up the 2019/20 team options. Sounds workable to me, leaving them room to add a BP piece. Oh I thought they both had two more years. In that case, I would gladly eat either to get Carrasco. I wonder what prospects we'd still have to send to CLE though.
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Post by mannofsteele on Jul 23, 2015 18:17:47 GMT -5
We're not in a spot to eat Bourn or Swisher, I wouldn't think. Pablo could probably eat one of them as an in between inning snack. Apologies, but I had to go there.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 23, 2015 18:18:37 GMT -5
They still have 22m from Victorino and Masterson disappearing and they get that ACE far cheaper than possible 200m for a Cueto in Carrasco for 4.5m next year and just 37m over the next 5y, if they pick up the 2019/20 team options. Sounds workable to me, leaving them room to add a BP piece. Porcello's and Buchholz's AAVs increase by $13mm. Napoli's $16mm also disappears. LAD's $3.9mm obligation also ends. Net-net, the Red Sox will have approx. $19mm to spend in the offseason and stay below the luxury tax threshold.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 23, 2015 18:34:41 GMT -5
They still have 22m from Victorino and Masterson disappearing and they get that ACE far cheaper than possible 200m for a Cueto in Carrasco for 4.5m next year and just 37m over the next 5y, if they pick up the 2019/20 team options. Sounds workable to me, leaving them room to add a BP piece. Porcello's and Buchholz's AAVs increase by $13mm. Napoli's $16mm also disappears. LAD's $3.9mm obligation also ends. Net-net, the Red Sox will have approx. $19mm to spend in the offseason and stay below the luxury tax threshold. If any of the rumors are true as to picking up a front line pitcher.. Hamels, possibly bidding on one this off season. I can't see the AAV being less than 22-25m over 4-6y. It would seem picking up one and paying a possible tax for a single season, like taking a terrible contract back would be preferable to paying another guy 4-5x more money.. Then that's my thinking and possibly facing luxury tax implications in following years as well.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 23, 2015 18:50:44 GMT -5
There has been a lot of discussion recently about staying under the luxury tax, but 2017 will either be un-taxed or the tax will take a very large jump after negotiations, so as long as the Red Sox can squeeze under the tax this year by making a few moves (I think Craig being demoted gets it close) then I don't think the luxury tax will have any bearing on 2016. Based on Henry's comments, I would expect the Red Sox to blow way past it next year. nesn.com/2014/11/john-henry-boston-red-sox-willing-to-exceed-189m-luxury-tax-threshold/
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Post by arzjake on Jul 23, 2015 19:20:24 GMT -5
Will Ben get in the game is the biggest ? of all
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Post by arzjake on Jul 23, 2015 19:25:28 GMT -5
I dunno.. Either contract would just be like having Napoli's around for 1 more year (14m,or 15m in 2016) and there is no chance either player's option would vest for 2017. You DFA Swisher right away, or stick Bourn on the bench as a 4/5 OF and let him and Boras gripe all they want about the option not vesting. They still have 22m from Victorino and Masterson disappearing and they get that ACE far cheaper than possible 200m for a Cueto in Carrasco for 4.5m next year and just 37m over the next 5y, if they pick up the 2019/20 team options. Sounds workable to me, leaving them room to add a BP piece. Oh I thought they both had two more years. In that case, I would gladly eat either to get Carrasco. I wonder what prospects we'd still have to send to CLE though. Don't forget Craig's $$ sitting in AAA.. NY wasn't stupid they cut bait with swisher who is declining big time. Bourne = MUpton status. I give owens a chance first.
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Post by soxcentral on Jul 23, 2015 20:37:38 GMT -5
They still have 22m from Victorino and Masterson disappearing and they get that ACE far cheaper than possible 200m for a Cueto in Carrasco for 4.5m next year and just 37m over the next 5y, if they pick up the 2019/20 team options. Sounds workable to me, leaving them room to add a BP piece. Porcello's and Buchholz's AAVs increase by $13mm. Napoli's $16mm also disappears. LAD's $3.9mm obligation also ends. Net-net, the Red Sox will have approx. $19mm to spend in the offseason and stay below the luxury tax threshold. You're assuming they pick up the Buchholz option, of course. I could see a scenario where if Carrasco is acquired and Clay is either unimpressive upon his return or out all year where they don't bring him back,
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Post by pokeefe363 on Jul 23, 2015 20:57:52 GMT -5
That would be dumb on their part. Buchholz would still have positive trade value on on that short of a deal.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 23, 2015 23:45:15 GMT -5
waiting on the Mets to order up some of our impressive hitters for sale ... any day now.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 26, 2015 11:09:40 GMT -5
Cueto to the Royals.
Good news for those hoping to sign him in the winter.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 26, 2015 11:50:58 GMT -5
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 5s5 seconds ago John Lamb is expected to be among prospects going to #Reds in Johnny Cueto trade, source says. #Royals @foxsports
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