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Roster construction for 2016
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2015 16:48:20 GMT -5
Current roster as of 8/7pm (one open 25/40-man spot)
Pitchers
Starters: E.Rodriguez (2021 control) Miley (2017+t) Kelly (2018 control) (arb1) Wright (2020 control) (no options remaining after 2015) Owens (2021 control) (DL) Porcello (2019) (60-day DL) Buchholz (2015+2t, assume option exercised) (AAA DL) B.Johnson (2021 control)
Bullpen: Uehara (2016) Breslow (2015) Machi (2019 control) Ogando (2016 control) (arb3) Masterson (2015) Tazawa (2016 control) (arb3) Ross (2018 control) (arb1) (AAA) Cook (2017 control) (arb2) (AAA) Layne (2020 control) (no options remaining after 2015) (AAA) Hembree (2020 control) (AAA) N.Ramirez (2021 control) (AAA) Barnes (2021 control) (AAA) Aro (2021 control) (AAA) Escobar (2021 control) (no options remaining after 2015) (60-day DL) Workman (2019 control) (60-day DL) Varvaro (2018 control) (arb3)
Position players
CF – Bradley, Jr. (2019 control) 2B – Holt (2019 control) DH – Ortiz (2016+t) LF – H.Ramirez (2018+t) 3B – Sandoval (2019+t) 1B – Shaw (2021 control) SS – Bogaerts (2019 control) RF – Castillo (2020) C – Hanigan (2016+t) De Aza (2015) Swihart (2021 control) Rutledge (2019 control) (7-day DL) M.Betts (2020 control) (DL) Pedroia (2021) (AAA) Marrero (2021 control) (AAA) Cecchini (2021 control) (AAA) Coyle (2021 control) (AAA DL) Brentz (2021 control) (60-day DL) Vazquez (2020 control)
40-man plan as of 8/7pm
Gone: Masterson, Breslow, De Aza (all as FAs), Cook (non-tender but could re-sign), Brentz (DFA/released), Escobar (outrighted, out of options), Coyle (outrighted)
Add from 60-man DL: Buchholz, Vazquez (let Workman/Varvaro go)
Add to 40-man roster: Margot, Light, M.Hernandez, FA 1B (assumes Hanley/Panda stay at current positions, which is not a given), FA 4TH OF +1 open spot to be filled
Resulting 25-man roster:
SP – Buchholz, Porcello, E.Rodriguez, Miley, Wright (ooo) RP – Uehara, Tazawa, Kelly, Ogando, Machi, Ross, Layne (ooo) PP – Betts, Pedroia, Bogaerts, Ortiz, H.Ramirez, Sandoval, Castillo, [FA 1B], Hanigan B – Holt, Vasquez, Rutledge, [FA 4TH OF]
40-man players in the minors (to add one more):
SP – Owens, Johnson RP – Barnes, Aro, Light, N.Ramirez, Hembree PP – Margot, JBJ, Cecchini, Swihart, Shaw, M.Hernandez, Marrero
Players in realistic consideration for Rule 5 protection (besides Margot, Light, M.Hernandez):
Ty Buttrey, Allen Craig, Jacob Dahlstrand, Williams Jerez, Simon Mercedes, Henry Ramos, Robby Scott
2015 Luxury Tax Estimate:
Numbers are rounded, but I currently estimate that the Red Sox are over the luxury tax threshold by approx. $4.10mm as of 8/7pm. All amounts are AAV.
Pitchers (55.50) - RP 12.50, JM 9.50, KU 9.00, CB 7.50, WM 6.42, EM 4.75, JT 2.25, CB 2.10, AO 1.50, everyone else min
Position players (122.75) - HR 22.00, PS 19.00, MN 16.00, DO 16.00, DP 13.30, SV 13.00, RC 10.36, AC 6.66, RH 3.59, DN 1.85, ADA 1.00, everyone else min
LAD payment (3.90)
Benefits (12.50 est.)
Minors (1.20 est.)
Min player cost (7.50 est - 2.75 full year players (Betts/Bogaerts/Holt/Varvaro/Workman), 4.75 partial year players (1000 days to 8/7, est 580 days from 8/8 to end))
Savings (DN (0.60)/SV (1.10)/MN (1.50)/AC (5.05)/EM (1.00 est.)) (-10.25 est)
It may be possible to restructure the LAD payment into future years in order to get closer to the threshold, assuming the commissioner's office approves. Also, the benefits/40-man roster/min player cost numbers are estimates, as is the savings from the Mujica trade. Therefore, my estimates may be high or low.
2016 Luxury Tax Estimate:
Numbers are rounded, but I currently estimate that the Red Sox are at $154.4mm in AAV for 2016, leaving them $34.6mm under the luxury tax threshold.
Pitchers (56.95) - RP 20.63, CB 11.70 (assumes option exercised), KU 9.00, WM 6.42, JT 3.00 (arb est), AO 2.00 (arb est), JK 1.00 (arb est), RR 1.00 (arb est) + 4 min @ 0.55
Position players (87.00) - HR 22.00, PS 19.00, DO 16.00 (assumes max salary), DP 13.30, RC 10.36, RH 3.59, [+FA 1B] [+FA 4th OF] + 5 min @ 0.55
Benefits (12.50 est.)
Minors (1.20 est.)
Min player cost (4.75 est)
I doubt, however, that the Red Sox will seriously look to stay under the threshold in 2016, given the recent performance of the club.
EDIT: Updated to 8/7, luxury tax estimates added
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2015 16:49:01 GMT -5
Obviously, there will be changes.
Another pitcher in the rotation, perhaps a retooling of the bullpen. There are too many bullpen guys on the 40-man roster and decisions need to be made on cutting some loose or trading them.
Decisions on positions for Hanley and Panda and finding a free agent or trade candidate for the remaining spot. Does JBJ finally get dealt in the offseason? Do we use some of our top prospects to acquire controllable talent? If so, which ones are we willing to trade to get what we want? What do we want?
Plus, we do not know who will be making these changes or managing the team. While ownership is squarely behind Ben Cherington, and Ben has been solidly behind the manager, I no longer can see ownership standing pat with management.
Discuss.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 31, 2015 17:07:06 GMT -5
Buttrey pretty much would have to be protected if he continues to pitch well this season and think I'm about the only fan still of Tzu-Wei Lin, who has done a good job at both Salem and Portland that is Rule 5 eligible this year. Remove Noe Ramirez is another, that went unclaimed already for a reason and can remove Brentz after he comes off the 60 day DL.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 31, 2015 17:13:41 GMT -5
Zero chance Lin gets added to the 40-man and zero chance he gets selected in the rule 5 draft
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Post by cba82 on Jul 31, 2015 17:19:26 GMT -5
Zero chance Lin gets added to the 40-man and zero chance he gets selected in the rule 5 draft $2.05 million signing bonus. Not my money, but -- why?
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Post by nomar on Jul 31, 2015 17:20:26 GMT -5
Brandon Workman is going to win us a World Series in 2016.
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Post by jdb on Jul 31, 2015 18:04:00 GMT -5
These next two months are crucial to see what we have in JBJ and Castillo. Today Ben said this offseason will be about pitching and D. I've been against trying Hanley at 1B but this is when you try. Hopefully one of Cook or Machi can stick in the pen.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 31, 2015 18:19:18 GMT -5
Prospect depth chart and current level (based on SP.com prospect rankings):
1B - Travis (AA), Shaw (AAA), Longhi (A), Ockimey (R/A) 2B - Moncada (A), Rijo (A+), Asuaje (AA), Coyle (AAA) SS - Guerra (A), Marrero (AAA), Dubon (A+), Hernandez (AAA) 3B - Devers (A), Chavis (A), Shaw (AAA), Acosta (R/A) OF - Bradley (BOS), Margot (AA), Benintendi (R/A), Aybar (R), Cecchini (AAA), LAx Basabe (R/A) C - Swihart (BOS), Vazquez (BOS DL), Rei (R/A), Procyshen (A+) (note: Shaw is the only player to be listed twice)
SP - Johnson (AAA), Owens (AAA), Espinoza (R), Kopech (A susp), Ball (A+), Stankiewicz (A+), Buttrey (A+) RP - Barnes (AAA), N.Ramirez (AAA), Light (AAA), Jerez (AA), Aro (AAA), Escobar (AAA)
Prospects who potentially can contribute in 2016 are in red. There is an outside chance the prospects currently at A+ can contrbute next year but I have not put them in red.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 1, 2015 7:48:31 GMT -5
Obviously, there will be changes. Another pitcher in the rotation, perhaps a retooling of the bullpen. There are too many bullpen guys on the 40-man roster and decisions need to be made on cutting some loose or trading them. Decisions on positions for Hanley and Panda and finding a free agent or trade candidate for the remaining spot. Does JBJ finally get dealt in the offseason? Do we use some of our top prospects to acquire controllable talent? If so, which ones are we willing to trade to get what we want? What do we want? Plus, we do not know who will be making these changes or managing the team. While ownership is squarely behind Ben Cherington, and Ben has been solidly behind the manager, I no longer can see ownership standing pat with management. Discuss. That's a last place pitching staff as presently constituted. I don't even care who our 1b is. We need to spend as much money and "available" players on improving that pitching. Worst in the league. Can't bring em back, can we?
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 1, 2015 10:07:59 GMT -5
As much as the 25 man roster makes me sick the prospect depth chart is still very intriging.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 1, 2015 10:09:29 GMT -5
What do you suggest in order to fix it?
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Post by notguilty on Aug 1, 2015 10:38:03 GMT -5
I put this in the "Fixing the Sox" thread, but maybe it belongs here. I think the biggest problem is the pitching, thus the focus below. On the hitting, it's really resolving the Hanley/Sandoval positional issues and bringing in a good hitting 1B. Other than that, I really don't see what else you can do, given contracts and all that. I've been wary of trading Miley, but on second thought, I don't think you can have Miley, Porcello, Buchholz and Ed Rod as key members of the rotation. Too much mediocrity (Miley/Porcello), injury (Buch) and rookie transition risk there. Obviously you can't get rid of Porcello and Ed Rod is a good-looking rookie, so you keep him. That means one of Miley or Buch has to go. I'm not a Buch fan, but I've come around to the fact that despite his warts, you have to keep him, because his upside is very good, and he's got higher fWAR than Miley and all that. Ultimately, I see two main paths here: -Rebuild: they don't use the word, but they essentially hold on to the top 10 prospects, go with Miley/Porcello/Buch/Ed Rod/Rookie (Johnson or Owens/cheap FA). You'll probably be last again, but that's what happens when you rebuild. The focus is on transitioning to the next great team in 2018-19 and phasing out old players with terrible contracts. I would be ok with this approach, but I don't think this ownership has the balls to do something like that in this market. Most expensive tickets in baseball, impatient fans, screaming media and all that. But seeing how Toronto is being set up, Baltimore somehow has our number and New York still seems to find a way, I don't think that's a terrible option. -Win Now - build a team designed to win now (as in 2016). The problem is I don't think they can do this without bringing in an ace and a #2, so that Buchholz slots in at number 3. Then you have a Ace 1/#2 starter/Buchh/EdRod/Porcello rotation, with Johnson and Owens in the wings. The problem is how you get the 2 frontline guys. I think you buy one (Cueto or Price) and you trade for one. I hate long term contracts for pitchers (I was against giving one to Lester), but I think I'd give Price something like the Scherzer deal. These are the rates for that type of pitcher, as much as I think they're terrible. Cueto may be $150 mil. I don't see how you get another strong starter without a trade. You bite the bullet and do a 3-1 for a Sonny Gray or a Carrasco or somebody, if they can be had. People say Tyson Ross, but I just see Miley. Maybe you swing a Sandoval for Shields trade, or something like that. But I think you'd have to trade one of the top-5 guys plus a JBJ and a couple of the 10-20 guys to get your cost-controlled #2. Then you do a reverse Miley trade or something, shipping him out for 1 or 2 high upside bullpen arms. -I guess there's a possible third approach, where you kind of go a bit halfway on the above two - you keep your top prospects, but trade fringe guys like JBJ for mediocre pitchers and bring in a Zimmermann or something. which may be what they've been trying to do. I just think you'd get the worst of both worlds, having a somewhat ace, but a mediocre rotation and trading kids who'll likely go on to be good players somewhere else. You'd sell tickets and be a little competitive, but I don't think this makes you good enough to compete with Toronto/New York/Baltimore; you spend more money to end up last anyway, so I don't really see the point. Not an easy offseason. But I think the biggest changes have to be in the FO (not necessarily firing Ben, but something has to happen there) and at manager level (I think Farrell has to go, but I don't think they'll let him go). All the above is kind of moot if they can't do a better job evaluating talent and migrating the kids to the major leagues. Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/2737/fix-sox?page=45#ixzz3hZtSbuIu
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Post by controne on Aug 1, 2015 10:52:01 GMT -5
Not sure where to ask this. I see where Allen Craig is eligible for the next Rule 5 draft. If a team were to chose him, would they have to take his contract or just the $50k draft cost?
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 1, 2015 11:21:34 GMT -5
Not sure where to ask this. I see where Allen Craig is eligible for the next Rule 5 draft. If a team were to chose him, would they have to take his contract or just the $50k draft cost? Both, and he would have to go on the 40-man roster. Not happening.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 1, 2015 11:46:16 GMT -5
I've been wary of trading Miley, but on second thought, I don't think you can have Miley, Porcello, Buchholz and Ed Rod as key members of the rotation. Too much mediocrity (Miley/Porcello), injury (Buch) and rookie transition risk there. Obviously you can't get rid of Porcello and Ed Rod is a good-looking rookie, so you keep him. That means one of Miley or Buch has to go. I'm not a Buch fan, but I've come around to the fact that despite his warts, you have to keep him, because his upside is very good, and he's got higher fWAR than Miley and all that. Ultimately, I see two main paths here: -Rebuild: they don't use the word, but they essentially hold on to the top 10 prospects, go with Miley/Porcello/Buch/Ed Rod/Rookie (Johnson or Owens/cheap FA). You'll probably be last again, but that's what happens when you rebuild. The focus is on transitioning to the next great team in 2018-19 and phasing out old players with terrible contracts. I would be ok with this approach, but I don't think this ownership has the balls to do something like that in this market. Most expensive tickets in baseball, impatient fans, screaming media and all that. But seeing how Toronto is being set up, Baltimore somehow has our number and New York still seems to find a way, I don't think that's a terrible option. -Win Now - build a team designed to win now (as in 2016). The problem is I don't think they can do this without bringing in an ace and a #2, so that Buchholz slots in at number 3. Then you have a Ace 1/#2 starter/Buchh/EdRod/Porcello rotation, with Johnson and Owens in the wings. The problem is how you get the 2 frontline guys. I think you buy one (Cueto or Price) and you trade for one. I hate long term contracts for pitchers (I was against giving one to Lester), but I think I'd give Price something like the Scherzer deal. These are the rates for that type of pitcher, as much as I think they're terrible. Cueto may be $150 mil. I don't see how you get another strong starter without a trade. You bite the bullet and do a 3-1 for a Sonny Gray or a Carrasco or somebody, if they can be had. People say Tyson Ross, but I just see Miley. Maybe you swing a Sandoval for Shields trade, or something like that. But I think you'd have to trade one of the top-5 guys plus a JBJ and a couple of the 10-20 guys to get your cost-controlled #2. Then you do a reverse Miley trade or something, shipping him out for 1 or 2 high upside bullpen arms. I think you've laid this out pretty well. My view on this is: Rodriguez - he's your future #2. No issue. Porcello - I'm as shocked as anyone by his performance this year, and I'm willing to write it off as an outlier. The contract sucks, but he's not going anywhere. He slots in as an overpaid #3/4. Buchholz - pick up the option, then look to trade him. He'll be 31YO in a month and cannot stay healthy for a full year. Get value while you can. I thought his injury really hurt the Red Sox, as I'm sure they would have dangled him for prospects and/or controllable pitching at the trade deadline (at least that's what I would have done). Miley - I don't know how much he'll command in the trade market. He's a 1-1.5 WAR pitcher owed $15.5mm over the next two years, so he has some value. He doesn't miss starts. I'm inclined to keep him as our #4/5 pitcher. So, we have a #2, a #3/4 and a #4/5, plus whatever we trade Buchholz for, plus Owens/Johnson (or whatever we trade them for). The issue, then, is getting a #1 and a #3/4. (If you keep Buchholz, you still need a #1, with Buchholz, Rodriguez, Porcello and Miley filling out the rest of the rotation.). I suspect Ben has laid some groundwork at the trade deadline toward getting a controllable #3/4 in trade. The question, therefore, is whether Ben can get the #1 in free agency (Johnny Cueto?) or trade (Sonny Gray?). David Price is not coming here - strong rumors are that he's going to LAD. Zach Grienke is not coming here. I don't view Jordan Zimmermann or Jeff Samardzjia as #1s. Johnny Cueto makes the most sense to me, for a lot of reasons. So, if I'm Ben, I'd be putting my eggs in the Cueto FA basket and then I'd be looking to package Buchholz with prospects for a controllable mid-rotation starter and a back-end bullpen piece.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 1, 2015 12:26:20 GMT -5
Amfox,
Think if the Sox were to go down that path Cueto would be the option of preference and Carrasco cost the least in prospects to acquire over Gray, then wait on just 1 of the lower A-GCL kids to hopefully come up in several years.
See no reason to not offer either Cleveland, or Oakland a huge package for that 2nd top starter. Headline it with Owens, Guerra, Margot if it's required and possibly other names we don't want to put out there.
Not that much for Carrasco, but Gray. Carrasco I'd like to see a full court press on 1st since he would cost a bit less. Maybe both him and Gray via trade and no FA pitcher sign?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 1, 2015 18:08:30 GMT -5
What do you suggest in order to fix it? I'd punt on the next two years. I don't believe in quick fixes. Let Buchholz walk. Try to trade for a young pitcher. I'd be willing to do Swihart+(Owens or Johnson). I'm not sure whom we match up with from that angle. Gives me two cornerstones to build around. E-Rod and whomever we acquire. I don't want to lock too much money into Cueto or Price. If we were better at the moment, I would go for them. How sure can we be that our guys turn it around? Not enough to throw that much money into a pitcher who will be good for 3-4 years and regress. Just when we would be needing him. I'll still have E-Rod and acquired pitcher in two years. Then, I'll try for the big money pitcher. In a trade, like we did for Pedro. Or, signing someone as a free agent. Hate to sound like a doom and gloomer. I just don't have faith in our veterans. You'd still have Porcello and Miley. There's 4 starters. I'd include Johnson or Owens in that Swihart package. I'd let the one I keep battle it out with S. Wright for 5th starter. I'd try like heck to get Aroldis Chapman. Willing to part with Margot+. Maybe, Barnes. Deal Koji for some young pitcher in A/AA. If Clay would do an incentive laden deal next year, I'd talk. I doubt he'd go for that. Out with the old. In with the new.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 1, 2015 18:42:11 GMT -5
It will be interesting if the Red Sox have to pay extra to get a high profile guy here with all of the huge recent disappointments going on. Who wants to sign on for that? Obviously money talks, but I think good teams also make players want to play for them.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 1, 2015 19:11:23 GMT -5
It will be interesting if the Red Sox have to pay extra to get a high profile guy here with all of the huge recent disappointments going on. Who wants to sign on for that? Obviously money talks, but I think good teams also make players want to play for them. Most players will just take the most money. Which usually isn't a good idea. That's why I'd just punt on this year's free agent class. We sure won't be getting a hometown discount from anyone.
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Post by WindyCityRedSox169 on Aug 1, 2015 19:15:19 GMT -5
It will be interesting if the Red Sox have to pay extra to get a high profile guy here with all of the huge recent disappointments going on. Who wants to sign on for that? Obviously money talks, but I think good teams also make players want to play for them. Given the Lucchino news could have an entirely new baseball operations team with a model after the Dodgers/Cubs. Although not sure who a slam dunk candidate is to be the Epstein/Friedman of that model however.
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Post by jmei on Aug 1, 2015 19:37:21 GMT -5
It will be interesting if the Red Sox have to pay extra to get a high profile guy here with all of the huge recent disappointments going on. Who wants to sign on for that? Obviously money talks, but I think good teams also make players want to play for them. It may not feel like it now, but the Boston Red Sox are still one of the premium franchises in baseball, a team which perennially runs one of the top five payrolls in the game, has a history of success, and (especially if they're trying to sign a high-profile player) has every intention of contending in 2016 and beyond. Two losing seasons have not turned them into the Marlins.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 1, 2015 20:07:16 GMT -5
Pull a dodger and give BB head of baseball ops
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 1, 2015 20:23:52 GMT -5
What do you suggest in order to fix it? I'd punt on the next two years. I don't believe in quick fixes. Let Buchholz walk. Try to trade for a young pitcher. I'd be willing to do Swihart+(Owens or Johnson). I'm not sure whom we match up with from that angle. Gives me two cornerstones to build around. E-Rod and whomever we acquire. I don't want to lock too much money into Cueto or Price. If we were better at the moment, I would go for them. How sure can we be that our guys turn it around? Not enough to throw that much money into a pitcher who will be good for 3-4 years and regress. Just when we would be needing him. I'll still have E-Rod and acquired pitcher in two years. Then, I'll try for the big money pitcher. In a trade, like we did for Pedro. Or, signing someone as a free agent. Hate to sound like a doom and gloomer. I just don't have faith in our veterans. You'd still have Porcello and Miley. There's 4 starters. I'd include Johnson or Owens in that Swihart package. I'd let the one I keep battle it out with S. Wright for 5th starter. I'd try like heck to get Aroldis Chapman. Willing to part with Margot+. Maybe, Barnes. Deal Koji for some young pitcher in A/AA. If Clay would do an incentive laden deal next year, I'd talk. I doubt he'd go for that. Out with the old. In with the new. I don't understand - you want to punt the next two years, but the first thing you suggest is trading young talented players away. Then you say you don't believe in quick fixes; but that's how the Red Sox won in 2013. The team needs a #1 pitcher, a RHH for the bench and a RP (which may come from current prospects). Then sort out Sandoval/Ramirez positions at 3b/1b, 3b/LF, 1b/LF; with Holt taking the spare position. Assuming a couple of guys rebound/develop, you have a very strong ballclub with talented players who can be called by the end of the year in Owens/Johnson/Margot/etc Assuming a willingness to go over the luxury tax next year, the above should be quite easy in theory. I'd start with having Pedro give Cueto a call as soon as the season ends. Pedro has an immense amount of respect in the DR and I'm sure that would go a long ways to getting the ace (still need 5-7 years and 25-30m of course) (and anyone who doesn't want to pickup Buch's option is still angry from how the season ends. He's one of the best deals in baseball right now at 13m and an option for 2017)
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on Aug 1, 2015 20:35:04 GMT -5
My view on this is: Rodriguez - he's your future #2. No issue. Porcello - I'm as shocked as anyone by his performance this year, and I'm willing to write it off as an outlier. The contract sucks, but he's not going anywhere. He slots in as an overpaid #3/4. Buchholz - pick up the option, then look to trade him. He'll be 31YO in a month and cannot stay healthy for a full year. Get value while you can. I thought his injury really hurt the Red Sox, as I'm sure they would have dangled him for prospects and/or controllable pitching at the trade deadline (at least that's what I would have done). Miley - I don't know how much he'll command in the trade market. He's a 1-1.5 WAR pitcher owed $15.5mm over the next two years, so he has some value. He doesn't miss starts. I'm inclined to keep him as our #4/5 pitcher. As a trade chip, I think Miley has more value than Buchholz. He'd likely be way more attractive to a NL team looking for cost control and low risk. And I'm happy to include him in a deal if it nets a true 1/2/3 starter for this staff, or more prospects to parlay. I'm fine with trading both, but I'm not as excited about selling low on Buch as others. Unless they are able to add two starters to head the rotation instead of one. I'd like to see them open up the wallet for Cueto/Price/Zimmermann and use prospect equity for Carrasco or similar. That sets some anchors up front to take pressure off Rodriquez and Porcello.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 3, 2015 12:01:30 GMT -5
Zero chance Lin gets added to the 40-man and zero chance he gets selected in the rule 5 draft $2.05 million signing bonus. Not my money, but -- why? He signed just before the new IFA rules went into effect. There was a financial incentive for teams to do what it took to get him signed before that happened so that he didn't count toward their caps. He probably would've gotten a decent amount less otherwise.
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