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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 25, 2016 6:26:26 GMT -5
Peter Gammons @pgammo 47m47 minutes ago Andrew Benintendi now played 121 minor league games, .306/386/517 56 xbh/60 Bb/54 k
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Post by deepjohn on Jun 25, 2016 11:39:34 GMT -5
If we assume Benny Baseball "figured it out" on June 6, then in the 66 PAs since, he has hit .300/.400/.567. The significant number could be the .267 IsoP, since it stabilizes soon (around 120 PAs) and correlates to exit velocity. He's also walked six times in that stretch, two intentional, with only 8 Ks, which suggests they may be pitching around him. Get your Benny Baseball collector's items ready. Well, it was actually 65 PA and a .338 OBP with 4 walks. But he actually started hitting on 6/9, and he's now .333 / .391 / .596 in 64 PA since that date. They gave Mookie 253 PA in AA with even better numbers, so a promotion to AAA in less than 6 weeks would be a faster track. I think he plays a few weeks in AAA to end the season, starts there next year, and shows up sometimes in 2017. I think I was starting with his double on June 6, and counted his two IBBs on June 14 and 19. I don't chart BA since it is too slow to stabilize, and just try to get at zone command through K% and BB%, and exit velocity through IsoP, because those stats are quick to stabilize. Dombrowski was quoted yesterday as saying that he has promoted players quickly from AA, but he doesn't think Benintendi is ready quite yet.
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Post by larrycook on Jun 25, 2016 21:41:50 GMT -5
Well, it was actually 65 PA and a .338 OBP with 4 walks. But he actually started hitting on 6/9, and he's now .333 / .391 / .596 in 64 PA since that date. They gave Mookie 253 PA in AA with even better numbers, so a promotion to AAA in less than 6 weeks would be a faster track. I think he plays a few weeks in AAA to end the season, starts there next year, and shows up sometimes in 2017. I think I was starting with his double on June 6, and counted his two IBBs on June 14 and 19. I don't chart BA since it is too slow to stabilize, and just try to get at zone command through K% and BB%, and exit velocity through IsoP, because those stats are quick to stabilize. Dombrowski was quoted yesterday as saying that he has promoted players quickly from AA, but he doesn't think Benintendi is ready quite yet. I agree with dombrowski. This kid needs a little more time. I do think he goes to Pawtucket on August 1 and then Boston after pawtucket's season is over,
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 25, 2016 21:51:01 GMT -5
Well, it was actually 65 PA and a .338 OBP with 4 walks. But he actually started hitting on 6/9, and he's now .333 / .391 / .596 in 64 PA since that date. They gave Mookie 253 PA in AA with even better numbers, so a promotion to AAA in less than 6 weeks would be a faster track. I think he plays a few weeks in AAA to end the season, starts there next year, and shows up sometimes in 2017. I think I was starting with his double on June 6, and counted his two IBBs on June 14 and 19. I don't chart BA since it is too slow to stabilize, and just try to get at zone command through K% and BB%, and exit velocity through IsoP, because those stats are quick to stabilize. Dombrowski was quoted yesterday as saying that he has promoted players quickly from AA, but he doesn't think Benintendi is ready quite yet.He may or may not be ready but DD's statement sheds no light. All GMs say this about top tier prospects the three or four weeks before super 2 clearing day which happens around the 3rd or 4th week in July depending on how many rookies there are. Ryan Howard was the classic case as to why they do this.
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Post by baseballguy350 on Jun 26, 2016 7:45:26 GMT -5
TIFWIW - We had Phillies scouts in here yesterday playing with an executive from the Red Sox farm system. After the round I spent about 15 minutes speaking with the Phillies scout on a wide range of topics from the golf course to AB. The scout raved over Moncada, and was rather cold on AB. Direct quote re:AB that stuck out was "Industry as a whole seems much higher than we are as an organization. Will be interesting to see how he holds up against big league pitching in the fall."
Again, TIFWIW, but looks like this Phillies scout is already under the assumption AB makes it to Boston "in the fall".
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 26, 2016 8:04:26 GMT -5
I think I was starting with his double on June 6, and counted his two IBBs on June 14 and 19. I don't chart BA since it is too slow to stabilize, and just try to get at zone command through K% and BB%, and exit velocity through IsoP, because those stats are quick to stabilize. Dombrowski was quoted yesterday as saying that he has promoted players quickly from AA, but he doesn't think Benintendi is ready quite yet.He may or may not be ready but DD's statement sheds no light. All GMs say this about top tier prospects the three or four weeks before super 2 clearing day which happens around the 3rd or 4th week in July depending on how many rookies there are. Ryan Howard was the classic case as to why they do this. The shortest Super Two service time I can remember was in 2012, when it was 2.122. That would put it around June 1. so even with teams gaming the system now, we're probably safely past that consideration. I can't think of a situation where a GM said a player was ready for a minor league promotion without an actual accompanying promotion. So Dombrowski's comments shouldn't be taken as anything more than "he's not getting promoted today."
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 26, 2016 9:49:43 GMT -5
He may or may not be ready but DD's statement sheds no light. All GMs say this about top tier prospects the three or four weeks before super 2 clearing day which happens around the 3rd or 4th week in July depending on how many rookies there are. Ryan Howard was the classic case as to why they do this. The shortest Super Two service time I can remember was in 2012, when it was 2.122. That would put it around June 1. so even with teams gaming the system now, we're probably safely past that consideration. I can't think of a situation where a GM said a player was ready for a minor league promotion without an actual accompanying promotion. So Dombrowski's comments shouldn't be taken as anything more than "he's not getting promoted today." You're right, I went back and looked at past years, my safety date was off.
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Post by deepjohn on Jun 26, 2016 16:30:58 GMT -5
He may or may not be ready but DD's statement sheds no light. All GMs say this about top tier prospects the three or four weeks before super 2 clearing day which happens around the 3rd or 4th week in July depending on how many rookies there are. Ryan Howard was the classic case as to why they do this. The shortest Super Two service time I can remember was in 2012, when it was 2.122. That would put it around June 1. so even with teams gaming the system now, we're probably safely past that consideration. I can't think of a situation where a GM said a player was ready for a minor league promotion without an actual accompanying promotion. So Dombrowski's comments shouldn't be taken as anything more than "he's not getting promoted today." I think it's the latest super 2 date you need to worry about? Basically, it's about 65 service days into their first year? I think DDo was making the comment pretty much on the 65th service day. The interesting part for me was that he doesn't have any problem bringing a player (who's "ready") straight up from AA.
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Post by trotfan on Jun 26, 2016 17:56:03 GMT -5
We cannot Trade Benny this kid has Bagwell trade 2.0 written allllll over it .Trade the vets at this point ....Pedey still has trade value and so does Hanley,Shaw,Bucky....leave Moncada and Benny alone .
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Post by radiohix on Jun 26, 2016 18:49:03 GMT -5
I think that it's safe to sa that Benny Baseball has adjusted to the AA level of play: His June line 11 Ks for 9 BBs and 12 XBH. That's basicaly what he's been doing all through the low minors. Boy, I'm gonna miss him when he's traded and I'll blame Buchholz for that.
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Post by gerry on Jun 27, 2016 2:47:13 GMT -5
I think that it's safe to sa that Benny Baseball has adjusted to the AA level of play: His June line 11 Ks for 9 BBs and 12 XBH. That's basicaly what he's been doing all through the low minors. Boy, I'm gonna miss him when he's traded and I'll blame Buchholz for that. How about, in fairness, Buch, Kelly, ERod, Owens, Elias, Johnson, O'Sullivan. Toss in Farrell, pitching coaches and catchers. Lots of blame here if blame is needed.
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Post by jmei on Jun 27, 2016 10:39:03 GMT -5
I moved some general trade deadline-type discussion to the "How to improve the Red Sox" thread. Let's keep this one to Benintendi.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 27, 2016 12:34:33 GMT -5
To hold onto AB, there seems to be a trickle down effect. Right now, there is a gaping hole in LF....Maybe Moncada can fill that in the near future. Then, what if Shaw doesn't regain his form, then we'll need Moncada @ 3rd & we'll still have a hole in the OF (if AB is traded). Shaw scares me a bit with that long swing. We cannot absorb too many more $100 mil FA contracts to try to fill these positions.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 27, 2016 17:44:23 GMT -5
To hold onto AB, there seems to be a trickle down effect. Right now, there is a gaping hole in LF....Maybe Moncada can fill that in the near future. Then, what if Shaw doesn't regain his form, then we'll need Moncada @ 3rd & we'll still have a hole in the OF (if AB is traded). Shaw scares me a bit with that long swing. We cannot absorb too many more $100 mil FA contracts to try to fill these positions. I could very much see Devers going at the deadline. I could see AE going and breaking many hearts, although I think that is vastly less likely. Benintendi is a top-20 prospect who is expected to start filling the team's sole glaring lineup weakness at some point next season. Fearing that he will be traded is like worrying you'll be struck by lightning ... from a cloudless sky. (OK, my townhouse was actually struck by lightning a few weeks ago, costing me a $270 TV repair. And not during a thunderstorm, either! You know what? I'm not worried about it happening again.)
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 27, 2016 18:01:36 GMT -5
I agree wrt Devers and Neo, and as painful as it would be if either of them are shipped out it means we're getting something huge in return.
Of course I would have said the same if you told me we were trading Margot and Guerra in the same package...
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Post by malynn19 on Jun 27, 2016 18:25:49 GMT -5
If Devers and Neo (with a few more pieces) go, it better be for a TOP of the rotation guy like Fernandez, Sale or Archer. Nothing less. We need to understand that as much as we all want to win and want to see Big Papi go out on top, its not the end of the world if we don't. Our future should be more important. I love Devers, he is my favorite prospect so trading him would hurt. But this team has not been the same since that game when the Orioles threw at Betts, we won that game and have been going down ever since. If the Red Sox want a quick fix then I believe JF will have to go, the only other option is to give Henry Owens, Pat Light and Elias each another shot since everything else will involve a trade.
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Post by larrycook on Jun 27, 2016 18:44:17 GMT -5
If you go back to benintendi' swing when he first got to Portland to now, you see virtually no difference.
However when he first got here, he appeared to be looking fastball whenever he got ahead in the count or when he had two strikes in him. And he struggled when he got off speed or breaking stuff.
The big reason for his improvement is now he is hitting what they are pitching regardless.
No reason he can not be in Pawtucket by August 1st.,
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 27, 2016 22:39:06 GMT -5
Benintendi is a top-20 prospect who is expected to start filling the team's sole glaring lineup weakness at some point next season week. Fearing that he will be traded is like worrying you'll be struck by lightning ... from a cloudless sky. Fixed. And if Benintendi was 6-foot-2 he'd be a top five prospect. Possibly number two. But still, incredibly, not the best prospect on the Portland Sea Dogs. He's not going anywhere.
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Post by cfnn on Jun 27, 2016 23:02:56 GMT -5
Is Tony Gwynn a good comparison? Or is that way off looking at Gwynn's minor league numbers?
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Post by telson13 on Jun 28, 2016 0:57:52 GMT -5
Is Tony Gwynn a good comparison? Or is that way off looking at Gwynn's minor league numbers? Gwynn never consistently walked that much, was almost certainly a better basestealer, and had very, very little power. I think a reasonable ideal-outcome comp would be Larry Walker with a little less power and a less outstanding arm, but maybe slightly better range and marginally better speed, although Walker was a very good base-stealer and a generally good baserunner. www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=455&position=OFwww.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1005166&position=OF
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Post by deepjohn on Jun 28, 2016 1:59:19 GMT -5
Benintendi is a top-20 prospect who is expected to start filling the team's sole glaring lineup weakness at some point next season week. Fearing that he will be traded is like worrying you'll be struck by lightning ... from a cloudless sky. Fixed. And if Benintendi was 6-foot-2 he'd be a top five prospect. Possibly number two. But still, incredibly, not the best prospect on the Portland Sea Dogs. He's not going anywhere. Atlanta is opening a new stadium next year. They will need to be overwhelmed to let Teheran go, their ace who would otherwise start opening day. They should have enormous leverage to demand cost-controlled MLB-ready talent, whom they will need next year to draw fans to the new venue with a resurgent team. What does that mean? You won't like it, but it means picking only from among Moncada/Benny/Swihart. (Assuming the three B's and Shaw are untouchable.) I think obviously, of those three, the Sox would prefer to trade Benny, while (by implication) the Braves should not prefer Benny. By this logic, trading Benny is actually the best case (short of punting on the post-season). As far as LF goes, it's likely the Sox take Markakis so he can platoon (.756 OPS v RHP) with Young. (Benny has a Steamer projection of .760 so it's not a loss.) This lets Buch take his lumps as a passable #5, and sends Kelly and E-Rod to the bullpen where they may well be dominant with good velocity and one good secondary pitch. Or, better yet, take Bill James' idea and go with a three man starting rotation.
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Post by templeusox on Jun 28, 2016 9:48:01 GMT -5
Fixed. And if Benintendi was 6-foot-2 he'd be a top five prospect. Possibly number two. But still, incredibly, not the best prospect on the Portland Sea Dogs. He's not going anywhere. Atlanta is opening a new stadium next year. They will need to be overwhelmed to let Teheran go, their ace who would otherwise start opening day. They should have enormous leverage to demand cost-controlled MLB-ready talent, whom they will need next year to draw fans to the new venue with a resurgent team. I'm sorry, you think Julio Teheran is some type of attraction for Braves' fans to come Opening Day? And you think the Braves, who have been trading away all their assets, would make a key personnel move based on a marketing ploy for a single game? I really doubt it. Teheran is not an ace. He's a 3 or 4 starter. He'd be an Opening Day starter by default only.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 28, 2016 10:53:50 GMT -5
The more I think about our team, it reminds me of the Cubs the last few years. They could have traded some of their young guys to make a push. They didn't & had a good nucleus Rizzo, Castro, Arrieta, Soler, Baez, Castillo. They waited for the next wave of Bryant, Russell, Contreras, Almora, ect. The only problem we have is that there won't be Lester, Lackey, Hammel available in FA to plug in the rotation.
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Post by badfishnbc on Jun 29, 2016 10:49:52 GMT -5
The more I think about our team, it reminds me of the Cubs the last few years. They could have traded some of their young guys to make a push. They didn't & had a good nucleus Rizzo, Castro, Arrieta, Soler, Baez, Castillo. They waited for the next wave of Bryant, Russell, Contreras, Almora, ect. The only problem we have is that there won't be Lester, Lackey, Hammel available in FA to plug in the rotation. This goes a step further - I think a lot of people around baseball are looking at the Cubs and if they expect to compete with them while that core is intact, you need one of your own. I think the FO is cognizant that our young core of Betts-Bogaerts-Bradley-Benintendi-Moncada, once mature, is really the only thing in the entire MLB that can compete for the duration of a Cubs run.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 29, 2016 20:58:05 GMT -5
On fire
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