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Post by sammo420 on Aug 31, 2015 6:40:52 GMT -5
Man, I miss that guy. Unbelievable the hate he got here. He was worth every penny and more of that contract. Oh what I'd give to have a plus defensive OF with a .400+ OBP and a .500+ SLG in RF again Don't forget two months off every year for the inevitable stubbed toe.
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 31, 2015 6:50:15 GMT -5
Seriously if he's even a poor man's Drew we should do backflips.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Aug 31, 2015 8:28:22 GMT -5
If you have to have a comp, Brian Giles works just fine. Let's see if Benintendi gets anywhere near that career. Love Giles' comp.
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Post by beantown on Aug 31, 2015 9:18:17 GMT -5
Something that should be a matter of concern given benintendi's ongoing rampage in the SAL:
What happens next year (or the year after) when he graduates? Seems like a whole 'nother outfield "problem" on our hands. Is Castillo the one to go? Or mookie for a young cost-cont. Ace?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 31, 2015 9:21:44 GMT -5
Something that should be a matter of concern given benintendi's ongoing rampage in the SAL: What happens next year (or the year after) when he graduates? Seems like a whole 'nother outfield "problem" on our hands. Is Castillo the one to go? Or mookie for a young cost-cont. Ace? Oh shudder! I know your kidding. That will certainly never keep anyone of us up at night.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Aug 31, 2015 9:27:31 GMT -5
Something that should be a matter of concern given benintendi's ongoing rampage in the SAL: What happens next year (or the year after) when he graduates? Seems like a whole 'nother outfield "problem" on our hands. Is Castillo the one to go? Or mookie for a young cost-cont. Ace? Oh shudder! I know your kidding. That will certainly never keep anyone of us up at night. It doesn't keep me up at night, but its not crazy to think that there's a chance Benintendi could be in the majors next year. Conforto and Schwarber are up and playing well.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 31, 2015 9:37:25 GMT -5
If Benintendi is playing in the majors next year, it is because 1) he is continuing to light the minors on fire, and 2) because there is an obvious hole in the outfield, either one or more of Betts/Bradley/Castillo are hurt or playing poorly. So it's sounds like it is solving a problem instead of causing one.
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Post by beantown on Aug 31, 2015 9:40:50 GMT -5
Ah, maybe I should clarify. It's what they call a good problem to have, and one to think about?
I'm curious to see what happens. Benny's graduation could have a big impact. The idea of dangling Mookie for somebody like Syndergaard came up on this thread earlier.. Or, if you prefer to open a different can of worms, it could mean a more serious discussion of that controversial idea: the pedroia trade.
I bring it up, not in the interest of keeping you up at night steve, but because there's a lot of possible shakeups (fun to think about) if he does continue to rise quickly.
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Post by nomar on Aug 31, 2015 9:55:46 GMT -5
IMO trading Rusney, who will be close to 30 at the point, is the easy decision to make if everyone is performing, which is certainly not guaranteed.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Aug 31, 2015 10:32:15 GMT -5
Although I am a big fan of Benny I think he needs more than one year seasoning in AA and AAA. Probably one and half year.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Aug 31, 2015 10:35:53 GMT -5
Although I am a big fan of Benny I think he needs more than one year seasoning in AA and AAA. Probably one and half year. I think this is premature to say before he actually plays in AA and AAA. If he hits like Conforto and Schwarber, he doesn't need any seasoning.
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Post by gerry on Aug 31, 2015 13:17:48 GMT -5
All of Margot, Benny, Moncada, Devers, Guerra, Longhi, the young pitchers, and a few more with upside and floors will be fun to follow as they progress. Already looking forward to next year to see where and how tbey start a new season.
However, 90% of my focus is on Betts, Bogaerrs, Bradley, Buchholz, Castillo, Holt, Kelly, Johnson, Miley, Ortiz, Owens, Pedroia, Porcello, Rodriguez, Ross, Shaw, Swihart, Tazawa, Vasquez, Wright, Workman, as well as Ramirez and Sandoval, to ascertain their roles at Fenway's home opener.
Underlying both groups lies the uncertainty about their roles in Dski's plans to win in 2016. That, IMO, is the most aignificant issue.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 4, 2015 12:38:32 GMT -5
From Speier's 108 Stitches:
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 4, 2015 12:42:21 GMT -5
From Speier's 108 Stitches: I just saw that also............wow! Now that is what I call praise. I already was cuckoo for Beni, and now I'm thinking he may become a clone of my favorite Sox player of all time.......Fred Lynn.
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Post by tonyc on Sept 4, 2015 13:48:57 GMT -5
Steve i loved Lynn too. I remember early in '79 he had lifted weights and people would say " man is that really Fred Lynn?" And he then had that Willie Mays season .333 39 hrs- much better than '75. He must have had injuries after that curtailed his elite power/average into merely good. Actually Jackie Bradley reminds me more of Lynn than Ben- Similar amazing routes in center, gold glove despite not premium speed, and great arm too. Beni seems faster, routes and arm not comparable to the other two. Jackie's current strongly built frame seems closer to Lynn's built up frame also, despite 5'10" stature. HIt tool, Beni may be closer to Lynn, but early yet- hell I'll take all 3!
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Post by radiohix on Sept 4, 2015 14:12:36 GMT -5
From Speier's 108 Stitches: I just saw that also............wow! Now that is what I call praise. I already was cuckoo for Beni, and now I'm thinking he may become a clone of my favorite Sox player of all time.......Fred Lynn. Always thought that every Sox fan favorite player of all time is Pedro
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 4, 2015 14:13:29 GMT -5
Steve i loved Lynn too. I remember early in '79 he had lifted weights and people would say " man is that really Fred Lynn?" And he then had that Willie Mays season .333 39 hrs- much better than '75. He must have had injuries after that curtailed his elite power/average into merely good. Actually Jackie Bradley reminds me more of Lynn than Ben- Similar amazing routes in center, gold glove despite not premium speed, and great arm too. Beni seems faster, routes and arm not comparable to the other two. Jackie's current strongly built frame seems closer to Lynn's built up frame also, despite 5'10" stature. HIt tool, Beni may be closer to Lynn, but early yet- hell I'll take all 3! One of the BIG reasons Lynn slipped was him being traded to the Angels. Even Fred now says he made a huge mistake pushing to get back to southern California. His swing was perfect for Fenway. I really believe, if he had stayed a Red Sox, he would have had a potential Hall of Fame career. As to the comparisons, I guess when I see a left handed centerfielder with pop in a Sox uniform, I think of one guy. Now we have to find a Jim Rice! Maybe Moncada will arrive with Beni, and we can relive 1975 all over.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 4, 2015 14:18:39 GMT -5
I just saw that also............wow! Now that is what I call praise. I already was cuckoo for Beni, and now I'm thinking he may become a clone of my favorite Sox player of all time.......Fred Lynn. Always thought that every Sox fan favorite player of all time is Pedro radiohix, Pedro is definitely in my top 5. Nomar is in that group too. My first Spring Training game ever....at the City of Palms Stadium in Fort Myers could not have been better. Nomar was at short, Manny was in left, and Pedro was scheduled to get in 3 to 4 innings as the starter. I actually thought, with me escaping bad weather up north and watching the swaying palm trees in the outfield, that I had died and gone to heaven!
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 4, 2015 14:48:01 GMT -5
i really think Lynn is a better comp than Giles. Giles had very little pop in the low minors and a lot of his pop in the majors seems to be potentially tainted to me. Lynn came in from college at a major program and spent very time in the minors. Bennie seems to be already adjusted to pro baseball. A quick learner.
I loved what he said about it being a job and that "It was like that in Arkansas also". This kid has been adjusted to big time baseball for a while now. He's put in the work needed to make that adjustment and now he's excelling...just like he did in high school. He has been "the Man" all year long and he just keep pumping out the numbers and playing great baseball.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 4, 2015 14:57:34 GMT -5
Steve i loved Lynn too. I remember early in '79 he had lifted weights and people would say " man is that really Fred Lynn?" And he then had that Willie Mays season .333 39 hrs- much better than '75. He must have had injuries after that curtailed his elite power/average into merely good. Actually Jackie Bradley reminds me more of Lynn than Ben- Similar amazing routes in center, gold glove despite not premium speed, and great arm too. Beni seems faster, routes and arm not comparable to the other two. Jackie's current strongly built frame seems closer to Lynn's built up frame also, despite 5'10" stature. HIt tool, Beni may be closer to Lynn, but early yet- hell I'll take all 3! One of the BIG reasons Lynn slipped was him being traded to the Angels. Even Fred now says he made a huge mistake pushing to get back to southern California. His swing was perfect for Fenway. I really believe, if he had stayed a Red Sox, he would have had a potential Hall of Fame career. As to the comparisons, I guess when I see a left handed centerfielder with pop in a Sox uniform, I think of one guy. No w we have to find a Jim Rice! Maybe Moncada will arrive with Beni, and we can relive 1975 all over. And a Dwight Evans and a George Scott....maybe a Cecil Cooper and a Ben Oglivie.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 4, 2015 15:09:14 GMT -5
Always thought that every Sox fan favorite player of all time is Pedro radiohix, Pedro is definitely in my top 5. Nomar is in that group too. My first Spring Training game ever....at the City of Palms Stadium in Fort Myers could not have been better. Nomar was at short, Manny was in left, and Pedro was scheduled to get in 3 to 4 innings as the starter. I actually thought, with me escaping bad weather up north and watching the swaying palm trees in the outfield, that I had died and gone to heaven! [/b] Isn't that the truth. I remember growing up in the 60s dreaming that someday I could live in Florida near where the Sox trained......One dream that did come true. I'll take Ted, Lynn & Rice (gold dust twins), Pedro & Papi as my top 5. Also mentioned: Pedey, Tony C., Lonborg, Jensen, Fisk. Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda: Manny, Nomar, Clemens. As to Beintendi, reports are great...but would hope that he is bigger than Pedey. If his power is legit, we need to keep that guy as power looks to be in short supply going forward. BTW, I thought Beintendi could not be traded in his draft year.
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Post by templeusox on Sept 4, 2015 15:19:58 GMT -5
Giles was juiced out of his gourd.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 4, 2015 16:04:31 GMT -5
Giles was juiced out of his gourd. That's always been conjectured, and the 2011 trial for breach of contract with his ex-girlfriend, highlighted by dueling claims of domestic abuse, shows that fun was had by all. He was also a mediocre defender at best and I don't think he could ever touch Benintendi's speed. But the rest of the offensive skillset is very similar - discounted for whatever power numbers you feel should be deflated of course.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 4, 2015 19:26:30 GMT -5
Although I am a big fan of Benny I think he needs more than one year seasoning in AA and AAA. Probably one and half year. I think you may be right. However keep in mind at the plate he is really quick to the ball on his swing and uncanny in his ability to pick up the spin on breaking balls. He could blow through Salem and hit Portland by mid May. Next year should be really interesting development wise. I would not be surprised to see him and Travis both excelling at Pawtucket before the end of next season.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Sept 4, 2015 20:25:28 GMT -5
Although I am a big fan of Benny I think he needs more than one year seasoning in AA and AAA. Probably one and half year. I think you may be right. However keep in mind at the plate he is really quick to the ball on his swing and uncanny in his ability to pick up the spin on breaking balls. He could blow through Salem and hit Portland by mid May. Next year should be really interesting development wise. I would not be surprised to see him and Travis both excelling at Pawtucket before the end of next season. No doubt he will blow through Salem. Way too advanced for A ball. Actually I hope him to skip Salem and go to Portland. Pedroia started his first full time season with Portland and was promoted to Pawtucket by mid season. He spent more than one year in Pawtucket. That's what I am thinking for Beni.
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