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Ben Cherington to step down; Dave Dombrowski joins FO
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Post by ramireja on Sept 16, 2015 16:45:23 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree with him on saying Boston had been on the conservative side. Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts, and Jackie Bradley blew through the system, for example, and they typically push guys to age advanced assignments (see, for example, Wendell Rijo, Rafael Devers, Javier Guerra, Anderson Espinoza, and a number of other guys this season). That said, I agree with the projection and think that's pretty safe, really, so long as you don't mean opening day. I interpreted his comment to mean that Boston was conservative relative to Detroit. The call ups of Porcello, Turner, and Castellanos were very aggressive by Boston standards (or just about any other team for that matter).
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Post by nomar on Sept 16, 2015 17:33:07 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree with him on saying Boston had been on the conservative side. Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts, and Jackie Bradley blew through the system, for example, and they typically push guys to age advanced assignments (see, for example, Wendell Rijo, Rafael Devers, Javier Guerra, Anderson Espinoza, and a number of other guys this season). That said, I agree with the projection and think that's pretty safe, really, so long as you don't mean opening day. I interpreted his comment to mean that Boston was conservative relative to Detroit. The call ups of Porcello, Turner, and Castellanos were very aggressive by Boston standards (or just about any other team for that matter). All were definitely questionable decisions too.
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Post by popsie1947 on Sept 16, 2015 17:54:05 GMT -5
Much discussion has been expressed on who brought in the present players, both in the minors, and in the majors into the fold. As a Red Sox fan since 1954 I can say it really does not matter. What matters is fielding a team that will make the play offs at least four out of five years. I could be talked into Signing Price, trading Owens (as a fly ball pitcher he will have issues in Fenway) having a rotation of Buch, Porcello, E-Rod, Johnson, Price with Kelly as spot starter. In the infield I see Vasquez or Swihart, Shaw, Dustin, Bogaerts, Panda; in the out field Castillo, Mookie, Bradley in right. We need a closer, an eighth inning guy and a long reliever. I'm not sure where they will come from. I also would look at the possibility of Sam Travis being a trade deadline call up with Panda going some where and Shaw moving to third. As for Hanley I'd designate him for assignment and see if anyone will take him. Al Weagle
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 16, 2015 21:57:43 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree with him on saying Boston had been on the conservative side. Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts, and Jackie Bradley blew through the system, for example, and they typically push guys to age advanced assignments (see, for example, Wendell Rijo, Rafael Devers, Javier Guerra, Anderson Espinoza, and a number of other guys this season). That said, I agree with the projection and think that's pretty safe, really, so long as you don't mean opening day. I interpreted his comment to mean that Boston was conservative relative to Detroit. The call ups of Porcello, Turner, and Castellanos were very aggressive by Boston standards (or just about any other team for that matter). Turner and Porcello were just insane, but Castellanos was drafted in 2010 at 18 and debuted in 2013. Mookie Betts was drafted in 2011 at 18 and made his debut in 2014. The Sox will fast-track a guy if he's earning it.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 21, 2015 13:42:10 GMT -5
Jeff Passan @jeffpassan Sources: Red Sox starting official GM hiring process. Well-regarded Astros director of player development Quinton McCracken is interviewing.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Sept 21, 2015 13:54:26 GMT -5
Jeff Passan @jeffpassan Sources: Red Sox starting official GM hiring process. Well-regarded Astros director of player development Quinton McCracken is interviewing. Release the Cracken!!!!
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 21, 2015 14:09:51 GMT -5
Ken Griffey Jr baseball
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Post by nomar on Sept 21, 2015 14:17:45 GMT -5
Jeff Passan @jeffpassan Sources: Red Sox starting official GM hiring process. Well-regarded Astros director of player development Quinton McCracken is interviewing. This I can get behind. Jeff Passan @jeffpassan Sources: Red Sox starting official GM hiring process. Well-regarded Astros director of player development Quinton McCracken is interviewing. Release the Cracken!!!! And this
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 21, 2015 14:30:53 GMT -5
Love the name
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 21, 2015 16:58:47 GMT -5
Jeff Passan @jeffpassan Sources: Red Sox starting official GM hiring process. Well-regarded Astros director of player development Quinton McCracken is interviewing. Glad that they are taking some time to assess. DD and the team will take a measured approach which I applaud.
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Post by artfuldodger on Sept 21, 2015 17:44:20 GMT -5
Is this a minority interview or do you believe the Red Sox have genuine interest in McCracken?
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Post by kman22 on Sept 21, 2015 18:38:26 GMT -5
There's a name I hadn't heard in a while.
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Post by nomar on Sept 21, 2015 18:46:10 GMT -5
Is this a minority interview or do you believe the Red Sox have genuine interest in McCracken? I would never assume that of anyone we interview. McCracken definitely has the credentials to be a GM considering what he's done in Houston. I think he's a scouting over sabr guy, and he probably wouldn't be my top choice, but there's plenty of reason to give him a GM job with any given org. And it's not like we've interviewed strictly white men in the past, with Sandy Alomar and Dave Martinez as serious managerial contenders in recent years. There's plenty of great baseball minds of all backgrounds, so I really doubt this has anything to do with the interviewing. You interview people who you think have the potential to help run this franchise.
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Post by auger1 on Sept 22, 2015 9:05:43 GMT -5
I really hope, and am starting to think, that they promote Hazen to GM and bring in overhaul the pro scouting department. I think the names you are hearing (McCracken, Wren, O Dowd, etc) are being looked at to head up pro scouting, possibly under a suped up title and salary in order to get candidates away from other teams. So far Dombrowski has made a bunch of smart and logical decisions. I think doing the above will continue that trend
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Post by artfuldodger on Sept 23, 2015 5:07:52 GMT -5
While I like McCracken and see him possibly being hired in the role DD had Littlefield in Detroit (Vice President Player Development), it is more than a coincidence that McCracken is the only name who has been floated as actually being interviewed.
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Post by gerry on Sept 24, 2015 17:31:40 GMT -5
So the real problem with the Sox was really Cherington, heh? I don't think that at all. Ben was asked to stay by Dave himself, and Mike Hazen was already the Asst GM and VP. Promoting Mike in many ways confirms that Ben did a good job building the Red Sox into a long term contender. The problem Ben faced in 2015 was nonperformance by normally high level performers: Nap, Vic, Hanley, Panda, Porcello, Miley, Nava (Masterson), injuries to Vasquez, Hanigan, Pedey, Koji, and slow starts by Papi and a couple of the kids. We do not know how independent his role in not signing Lester, Scherzer, Cruz, etc., or hiring Valentine, Panda, Hanley. I am not being an apologist for Ben. He doesn't need one. The 2013 WS. The remarkable success of his Farm system. Signing Castillo, Moncada, Espinosa, Acosta and taking the hit to do so. Trading for ERod, Miley, Ross. Drafting Beni. Hanging on to Mookie, XB, Swihart, JBJ, Shaw, Owens, Johnson, Wright, Margot, etc. under heavy pressure. He made mistakes, as have we all. But the team he assembled in 2016 has broken through in Aug and Sept., giving real hope for 2016. It will be up to Dave and Mike and crew to optimize the offseason with all the resources now at hand, which Ben helped develop.
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Post by jmei on Oct 1, 2015 8:32:20 GMT -5
One of the reasons I like Dombrowski's hiring is illustrated by the following quote: I would suggest that one reason for Dombrowski's stellar record in terms of trades is that he's good at being open-minded and keeping conversations going. That ability to develop and sustain a rapport with other GMs is a useful skill that allows him to fully explore potential trades. Negotiation is as much art as science, and Dombrowski has as good of a track record there as anyone in the league.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 1, 2015 9:57:44 GMT -5
Does this mean the end of the yearly irrelevant minor leaguer trades with Pittsburgh?
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Post by jmei on Oct 1, 2015 10:13:25 GMT -5
Does this mean the end of the yearly irrelevant minor leaguer trades with Pittsburgh? Well, Hazen is still second-in-command, so...
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Post by nomar on Oct 1, 2015 10:37:29 GMT -5
"Kinda like me asking for two Miguel Cabreras for Ben Revere" said RAJ.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 1, 2015 11:24:49 GMT -5
"Kinda like me asking for two Miguel Cabreras for Ben Revere" said RAJ. I wasted time arguing with Phillies fans who were insisting on both Xander and Mookie for Hamels. Should go find them now and revisit.
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Post by artfuldodger on Oct 6, 2015 18:51:10 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 13, 2015 13:09:22 GMT -5
Tim Britton @timbritton Red Sox announce baseball ops moves. Chief among them: Eddie Romero is now VP of international scouting.
Great move or greatest move?
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 13, 2015 13:26:28 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Oct 13, 2015 13:37:57 GMT -5
4th name down, have mercy.
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