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Post by amfox1 on Aug 18, 2015 21:57:07 GMT -5
I will withhold judgement on DD, but if he hires Frank Wren as GM I will lose it. The guy traded away ATL's whole system, signed BJ Upton, and had cost the Braves any semblance of a future by the time he was fired. If DD wants to have his role for a while he will be methodical and careful about who he lays in bed with (hires as GM). And he was DD's right hand man in Montreal and Florida, so start losing it. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 18, 2015 21:58:26 GMT -5
FWIW, I think DiPoto would be the perfect GM under Dombrowski. It seems like their strengths would compliment each other really well. Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like that is too likely at this point, but it would make me feel pretty good about this move if that ends up being the case. I'm praying they embrace advanced stats or we're doomed. |
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Post by dcsoxfan on Aug 18, 2015 21:58:14 GMT -5
Ahhh, so you have no defense of the Detroit years then? Didn't think so. Yes, taking the Detroit Tigers from a team that was 684-936 in the 10 years before he arrived (68.4-93.6 average) to a team that was averaged 86.2 wins a year in his last 10 years there is such a terrible job. Agreed. He did a wonderful job achieving mediocrity. But that is the new goal, right? |
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Post by sammo420 on Aug 18, 2015 21:59:36 GMT -5
www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Dave_DombrowskiFine, I'll go on record as saying I like this at the moment. He's made some good acquisitions and gotten rid of some bust prospects before they busted. He seemed to hold on to the right ones. he's made a mistake every now and then, but who hasn't in the somewhat crapshoot that is baseball?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 18, 2015 21:59:46 GMT -5
Ahhh, so you have no defense of the Detroit years then? Didn't think so. Yes, taking the Detroit Tigers from a team that was 684-936 in the 10 years before he arrived (68.4-93.6 average) to a team that was averaged 86.2 wins a year in his last 10 years there is such a terrible job. So he had four years to build an organization that could win 86 games per year? With financial might in a mostly weak, and poor, division? Like I said earlier: 14 years: 91+ wins THREE TIMES and zero titles. Where do I sign up for that? |
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Post by notguilty on Aug 18, 2015 21:59:46 GMT -5
I don't see how this move can be viewed negatively. The last place finishes aren't becoming of a Red Sox franchise that is one of the best baseball markets MLB has. As far as BC, it appears as though he decided to leave, which IMHO means he wasn't confident to finish what he started. It appears as though he took it fairly personally, which is his right, but negates any real sympathy from me. He's had a long run of employment for one franchise, he should be very thankful for that. Jeez man. Not sure I get the logical leap to "wasn't confident to finish what he started". He built a team, team failed, they're bringing new blood, he opts to leave. Happens all the time. Guy just go fired, what exactly do you want him to do? Would you stay? Anyway, best to thank him for 2013 and wish him well. I don't think he'll need a job for long. Bring on Price or Cueto! Devers+Moncada+Owens+Kopech for Sonny Gray, who says no? |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 18, 2015 22:00:33 GMT -5
It's funny reading the reaction of the saber crowd to the impending doom.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 18, 2015 22:01:32 GMT -5
His minor league k/9 numbers were good but did not predict the next Lefty Grove. His highest was 10.5 in AA in 1987. For perspective, Henry Owens has had years of 11.5 and 11.3 k/9. RJ never had a k/BB ratio of 2-1. Let me know when Henry threw 98 with a wipeout slider. RJ's slider wasn't wiping everyone out until he learned to control it and that came later, according to Edgar Martinez. “I do remember earlier in his career when he first came to Seattle,” Martinez said in an interview on MLB Radio. “His control wasn’t there. His slider especially, he didn’t have that command of that slider...Once he got command of his slider and he was able to locate his fastball, it was all over after that.” blogs.seattletimes.com/mariners/2015/01/06/randy-johnson-inducted-into-2014-baseball-hall-of-fame-edgar-martinez-falls-short-again/ |
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Post by justen on Aug 18, 2015 22:01:44 GMT -5
Ahhh, so you have no defense of the Detroit years then? Didn't think so. I linked to an article you are taking too long to read. I can wait until you're finished to continue, but you did ask for a quick synopsis. Ya that article genuinely 360'd my thinking of this move. Everything in the article pretty much points to Dom being excellent at evaluating talent while coming out ahead in just about all his trades. Really is impressive the core he put together. And about all the "he's gonna trade the whole farm" blabber, I feel it'd be difficult to completely deplete this farm system of its talent. Trades are going to be made and we'll lose some favorites but there's no reason this hire should indicate a chain of farm system mediocrity. I'm a typical Boston fan who panics too quickly. I'm very young, but this will easily be the most interesting transition I've ever been able to to witness of the franchise. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 18, 2015 22:01:57 GMT -5
It's funny reading the reaction of the saber crowd to the impending doom. Your laugh is my tear. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 18, 2015 22:03:53 GMT -5
Well, that's a cool quote and all, but read it again: Edgar doesn't say he didn't have a wipeout slider, just that he didn't have command of it. |
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Post by jmei on Aug 18, 2015 22:04:14 GMT -5
I linked to an article you are taking too long to read. I can wait until you're finished to continue, but you did ask for a quick synopsis.
You lose. Or refute my position. Seriously. Absolutely it is. Citing sources for your argument is literally the foundation of modern academic writing. You should maybe spend less time repeating the fact about the 90+ wins and more time reading. |
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 18, 2015 22:05:42 GMT -5
Yes, taking the Detroit Tigers from a team that was 684-936 in the 10 years before he arrived (68.4-93.6 average) to a team that was averaged 86.2 wins a year in his last 10 years there is such a terrible job. So he had four years to build an organization that could win 86 games per year? With financial might in a mostly weak, and poor, division? Like I said earlier: 14 years: 91+ wins THREE TIMES and zero titles. Where do I sign up for that? Who the **** cares about 90+ wins? Really? Who gives a damn? Such an arbitrary number to judge success on. But a typical sabr strategy. Arbibrary number to make my argument look better. Hilarious that you changed it from 90+ wins to 91+ wins to skew the numbers in your favor. |
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 18, 2015 22:07:16 GMT -5
As BC's biggest critic on here. AMF. Adios. You fill in the rest
P.S. Thanks for 2013. You did a great job that year. Beyond horrible since.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 18, 2015 22:07:37 GMT -5
It's funny reading the reaction of the saber crowd to the impending doom. Because we're so irrational even though that's what we're trained not to be, huh? |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 18, 2015 22:07:29 GMT -5
FWIW, I think DiPoto would be the perfect GM under Dombrowski. It seems like their strengths would compliment each other really well. Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like that is too likely at this point, but it would make me feel pretty good about this move if that ends up being the case. Agreed. I will join the DD bandwagon and even start formulating a revisionist history narrative defending his ugly time in the Motor City (see: I've already stopped calling it Detroit). Keep DiPoto and I'm in. |
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Post by nomar on Aug 18, 2015 22:08:15 GMT -5
Wren: Uggla, Upton, Johnson
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Post by danr on Aug 18, 2015 22:08:51 GMT -5
For weeks dozens of us have been trying to figure out how to fix the Sox and there was very little consensus. Mostly, we scratched our collective heads about what to do about Hanley and Sandoval, a terrible bullpen and lousy starting pitching without spending a fortune on free agents or trading away the farm. It didn't seem that the team management had any better idea than most of us. Well, folks, that's about to change. Things are going to happen. And I am all for that. I always have believed that when things are not going well, make changes even if the changes are not obviously better. Change is better than standing still. This is the type of thinking that allowed Tito to be replaced by Bobby Valentine. I didn't say make a change that almost any idiot would know is the wrong one. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 22:09:42 GMT -5
I expect the "I hate Larry Lucchino" crowd must be feeling a little embarrassed about now. This move really makes Lucchino look like the guy who acted as the moderator between a results-now owner and younger executives who might have wanted to take a longer view. And the guy who was willing to take the arrows from arguably the most cynically nasty press corps around. I'm a card carrying member of the "I hate Larry Lucchino" club. I've been calling for Lucchino's head for years now. And, I've been calling for either Beane or Dombrowski as his replacement. So, if anything, right now I feel vindicated (as well as elated). |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 18, 2015 22:10:13 GMT -5
Linking an article is not making an argument. You lose. Or refute my position. Seriously. Absolutely it is. Citing sources for your argument is literally the foundation of modern academic writing. You should maybe spend less time repeating the fact about the 90+ wins and more time reading. Right. I went to the university too. But here I thought we were on a message board and not turning in a term paper. Silly me. Or, again, are you that flustered at your inability to topple a basic argument? |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 18, 2015 22:11:09 GMT -5
All I can say is that I hope that Illich pushed the Verlander and Cabrera contracts to be signed 2-3 years early.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 18, 2015 22:11:13 GMT -5
Wren: Uggla, Upton, Johnson Hilarious! Which Johnson — Davey? |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 18, 2015 22:12:21 GMT -5
All I can say is that I hope that Illich pushed the Verlander and Cabrera contracts to be signed 2-3 years early. Maybe we'll find all about it when DD trades for Verlander, that Ace that everyone wants. |
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Post by nomar on Aug 18, 2015 22:12:03 GMT -5
Wren: Uggla, Upton, Johnson Hilarious! Which Johnson — Davey? Chris (yikes) |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 18, 2015 22:13:02 GMT -5
I didn't see what happened with Wren in the last 6 pages. Is anything official with him?
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