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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 25, 2015 12:48:40 GMT -5
I like Don, but it's utterly absurd how many people have been saying something along the lines of "Don and Remy are what made watching the games worth it the last couple years." If you ever find yourself watching a 3-hour baseball game solely for the announcers, then you're a nitwit who should be institutionalized. Part of rooting for you own baseball team is watching games and the familiarity of your hometown announcers, noone watches games for the announcers.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 25, 2015 12:55:58 GMT -5
Should NESN ultimately sweep out Remy also — "We decided to go in an entirely new, fresh direction, and are quite pleased to introduce our new broadcast team of …" — Orsillo's firing might be looked back upon as a way to move out Remy while eliminating much of the uncomfortable back and forth as to their motivation, and then, the resultant backlash.
Maybe look at it as the broadcaster equivalent of the Punto trade: Orillo = Gonzales, and Remy = Crawford and Beckett.
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Post by nomar on Aug 25, 2015 12:58:58 GMT -5
I wonder if Remy will retire
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Post by thebogeyman on Aug 25, 2015 13:00:32 GMT -5
I don't actually care whether guys in the booth are into advanced stats. I understand that I'm in a minority group in the way I enjoy the game and I know what outlets I can go to discuss that stuff. I want my announcers to be prepared and engaging. Someone who can appeal to me but also my mother, you know? It's possible to incorporate some advanced stats stuff into a good broadcast - the Mets do it pretty well, for instance - but it's not vital. I don't know a single "casual fan" who turns on Red Sox games to hear the announcers BS about non-baseball stuff. If anything they're actually more put off by it because they're the ones who rely on analysis from the booth. The goal should be to engage casual fans with the game, not distract them from it. I think you are over rating fans to be honest. I bet 90% of people "watching" sox games are actually messing around on their phone or tablet and not paying attention. The game is just background noise, and quite frankly, it is pretty self-explanatory. If you see someone hit a ball and run to second, it is not difficult to determine that it was a double. All the stats that matter to most people are on flashed on the screen.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 25, 2015 13:03:36 GMT -5
I don't actually care whether guys in the booth are into advanced stats. I understand that I'm in a minority group in the way I enjoy the game and I know what outlets I can go to discuss that stuff. I want my announcers to be prepared and engaging. Someone who can appeal to me but also my mother, you know? It's possible to incorporate some advanced stats stuff into a good broadcast - the Mets do it pretty well, for instance - but it's not vital. I don't know a single "casual fan" who turns on Red Sox games to hear the announcers BS about non-baseball stuff. If anything they're actually more put off by it because they're the ones who rely on analysis from the booth. The goal should be to engage casual fans with the game, not distract them from it. Yeah that's basically what I was trying to say. A good announce team will explain what is going on and why in ways that viewers will enjoy and understand. When I put it in terms of someone who will appeal to my mother - my mother already watches a lot of the games, so I don't know that I'd describe her as a casual fan. But she's definitely someone who doesn't necessarily understand all of the intricacies of the strategy, rules, etc. Having announcers who are excellent at the basics is the most important thing.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 25, 2015 13:15:34 GMT -5
one can only hope they send Remy out with him I live near the Kansas City market. Watch Royals games on occasion. Jerry Remy is a baseball savant compared to Rex Hudler. Be careful what you wish for. Then you've never heard "THe Wonderdog" tell the story of the time he doubled off Randy Johnson. Heard it for the first time on Jim Rome's radio show, back when Hudler was doing Angels games. A great story.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2015 13:16:17 GMT -5
They could always bring back the Hawk. haha
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 25, 2015 13:20:29 GMT -5
They could always bring back the Hawk. haha "You can put it onnnnnnn the boardddddd, YES!!!!!" And, I'd never have added duck snort to my vocabulary if not for Hawk. I love the Hawk ("Carmines"!!!!)
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 25, 2015 13:20:37 GMT -5
The silver lining in this is that it looks like Dave O'Brien will be taking over for Orsillo. I don't listen to the Sox on the radio often, but when I have, I've liked O'Brien. I think he's a solid play-by-play guy.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 25, 2015 13:22:32 GMT -5
They could always bring back the Hawk. haha "Stretch!" "He gone!" "Grab some bench!" What signatures does Remy have — "I stayed in my room"?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 25, 2015 13:23:25 GMT -5
The silver lining in this is that it looks like Dave O'Brien will be taking over for Orsillo. I don't listen to the Sox on the radio often, but when I have, I've liked O'Brien. I think he's a solid play-by-play guy. Doesn't he do (or did) the Wednesday Night ESPN games? I always thought he was excellent.
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Post by nomar on Aug 25, 2015 13:30:10 GMT -5
The silver lining in this is that it looks like Dave O'Brien will be taking over for Orsillo. I don't listen to the Sox on the radio often, but when I have, I've liked O'Brien. I think he's a solid play-by-play guy. Doesn't he do (or did) the Wednesday Night ESPN games? I always thought he was excellent. Yes, same guy. Does a great job.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 25, 2015 13:31:02 GMT -5
I'm someone who watches other teams and their announcers. The amount of time the NESN cameras spend in the booth is way over the top. In the later innings it seems like it's half the time. That's absurd. I have no idea why that is but it often has me flipping the sound off, or simply switching to other broadcasts.
Orsillo is very good at play-by-play, but the mindless chatter and the endless focus on the announcers and not the players is useless to me. It also gives my wife plenty of ammunition. She loves to hammer away at the old idea that women talk a lot given that stream of trivial chatter.
All of the players - and there are a lot more of them than there are announcers - have stories too. The human interest side could easily be informed by those narratives. The Balitmore announcers are probably the best at that, but the Dodgers with Vin Scully are right there also. The Seattle broadcasters have a long string of promotional pitches during all of their home games, yet they still make the actual game interesting. Or just listen to the Sox radio announcers. They mix casual asides with a lot of game and player information. It's an art and they've got it down.
I reject the idea that Remy and Orsillo are at the center of the Red Sox game-watching universe, and I have no idea why they were put there. What I do know is that they miss out on a lot of good angles either because they have been told that it's not relevant, or they haven't informed themselves. Either way, they haven't brought enough to the booth to make them indispensable.
Orsillo will get himself another job, he's very good when his focus is on the field and the players. For whatever reason, that hasn't been near enough the case with the Sox.
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Post by awall on Aug 25, 2015 13:36:30 GMT -5
People who are glad to see Orsillo go ought to to have to endure a season of John Sterling.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 25, 2015 13:41:59 GMT -5
People who are glad to see Orsillo go ought to to have to endure a season of John Sterling. He does radio.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2015 13:44:39 GMT -5
I'm someone who watches other teams and their announcers. The amount of time the NESN cameras spend in the booth is way over the top. In the later innings it seems like it's half the time. That's absurd. I have no idea why that is but it often has me flipping the sound off, or simply switching to other broadcasts. Orsillo is very good at play-by-play, but the mindless chatter and the endless focus on the announcers and not the players is useless to me. It also gives my wife plenty of ammunition. She loves to hammer away at the old idea that women talk a lot given that stream of trivial chatter. All of the players - and there are a lot more of them than there are announcers - have stories too. The human interest side could easily be informed by those narratives. The Balitmore announcers are probably the best at that, but the Dodgers with Vin Scully are right there also. The Seattle broadcasters have a long string of promotional pitches during all of their home games, yet they still make the actual game interesting. Or just listen to the Sox radio announcers. They mix casual asides with a lot of game and player information. It's an art and they've got it down. I reject the idea that Remy and Orsillo are at the center of the Red Sox game-watching universe, and I have no idea why they were put there. What I do know is that they miss out on a lot of good angles either because they have been told that it's not relevant, or they haven't informed themselves. Either way, they haven't brought enough to the booth to make them indispensable. Orsillo will get himself another job, he's very good when his focus is on the field and the players. For whatever reason, that hasn't been near enough the case with the Sox.There's really very little explanation for it other than that NESN producers are directing him to be like he is. Or not telling him to tone down the silliness and talking about steaks and rides to the game or Jerry's tooth for three innings at a time.
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Post by awall on Aug 25, 2015 13:45:41 GMT -5
People who are glad to see Orsillo go ought to to have to endure a season of John Sterling. He does radio. sigh. i know.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 25, 2015 13:51:34 GMT -5
Would love to see Eck be the color guy. I love his insights on the pitching. Jim Palmer does the color in Baltimore and he's amazing on pitching analysis. As for play by play, just give me the cheese. Totally agree! Palmer is outstanding and Eck is quite good. I understand everyone does not want to hear about obscure stats, etc., but there are times it is very useful to make a point. I like some silliness from the booth, but when half of their broadcast is giggles and interviews about some charity, I miss the continuity and flow of the game. I'm sure Don will quickly get a new gig, and I feel for Jerry Remy's last few years.....but a new direction is OK with me.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 25, 2015 13:54:56 GMT -5
They could always bring back the Hawk. haha "Stretch!" "He gone!" "Grab some bench!" What signatures does Remy have — "I stayed in my room"? I agree with James Dunne above. Baseball has a timeless quality about it. For 95% of fandom it's an easy listen with a gentle cadence during a summer afternoon or evening. It's part of the every day fabric...like a favorite well-worn shirt. Announcers cater (and should) to that larger audience not those armed with arcane data factoring algorithms during the game. The average fan doesn't give a duck snort for that stuff....(average not being a value judgment). That's what this site is for and I hope that doesn't change for both groups. Every announcer (excepting Vin Scully) has an expiration date. Perhaps Jerry & Don have reached it. But please give me another announcing team that you would like us to have or emulate....If I remember correctly Hawk had a stint in Boston. For me he was not very articulate or easy to listen to and the "he gone" etc. calls got just as wearing for me as I think Eck would long term...funny and entertaining initially but the same stuff over and over became a dreg. (As I posted this I saw that OregonNorm expressed in the interim similar sentiments with which I agree)
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 25, 2015 13:56:04 GMT -5
Maybe Mike Gorman could do the Sox games in his down time?
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Post by thebogeyman on Aug 25, 2015 13:59:42 GMT -5
I'm someone who watches other teams and their announcers. The amount of time the NESN cameras spend in the booth is way over the top. In the later innings it seems like it's half the time. That's absurd. I have no idea why that is but it often has me flipping the sound off, or simply switching to other broadcasts. Orsillo is very good at play-by-play, but the mindless chatter and the endless focus on the announcers and not the players is useless to me. It also gives my wife plenty of ammunition. She loves to hammer away at the old idea that women talk a lot given that stream of trivial chatter. All of the players - and there are a lot more of them than there are announcers - have stories too. The human interest side could easily be informed by those narratives. The Balitmore announcers are probably the best at that, but the Dodgers with Vin Scully are right there also. The Seattle broadcasters have a long string of promotional pitches during all of their home games, yet they still make the actual game interesting. Or just listen to the Sox radio announcers. They mix casual asides with a lot of game and player information. It's an art and they've got it down. I reject the idea that Remy and Orsillo are at the center of the Red Sox game-watching universe, and I have no idea why they were put there. What I do know is that they miss out on a lot of good angles either because they have been told that it's not relevant, or they haven't informed themselves. Either way, they haven't brought enough to the booth to make them indispensable. Orsillo will get himself another job, he's very good when his focus is on the field and the players. For whatever reason, that hasn't been near enough the case with the Sox. As a DC resident, I can honestly say that I find the Baltimore broadcasts to be dull and boring. It is like listening to two monotone voices for three+ hours. Sure what they have to say may be interesting, but it is so dry in delivery. Maybe I am bias because I do not like the Os, but I find ESPN broadcasts better as well because the announcers have some character and personality. As for rejecting the idea that Remy-Orsillo are the center of the sox watching universe, look no further than the Remy Report and Remy's Bar and Grill to see how he has capitalized off of his popularity in the area. People on this site hate him, but a majority or people love him. Announcers last longer than players, so people grow up with them and have a certain attachment. Players come and go constantly.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Aug 25, 2015 14:00:34 GMT -5
I haven't watched the NESN telecasts as much as usual, but I've still managed to hear Remy talk multiple times about how "lost" he'd be without this job and how much it means for his overall well being. I remember one instance where Don and Jerry were talking about what they'd do if they won the lottery/powerball, and Remy said he'd continue his job. Don laughed about it and joked Remy would move on, and then Remy changed his tone and stressed how much he loved the job and how important it was to him. Even before this news it felt like there was something going on behind the scenes, I just figured Don would stay and Remy would be the guy they'd phase out.
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Post by sammo420 on Aug 25, 2015 14:05:46 GMT -5
People who are glad to see Orsillo go ought to to have to endure a season of John Sterling. I don't think they really mean it. I think it's misdirected anger at the way the season's gone. Even Remy to a lesser degree; there are better, but there are also worse.
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Post by marrcus on Aug 25, 2015 14:13:09 GMT -5
"I wonder if Remy will retire" ------------------------------- Not a chance. NESN will have to can him he won't go on his own.
With Lynch saying it's O'Brien: while he may be a better PBP man he wouldn't be my preference. Sorry Tom.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 25, 2015 14:14:04 GMT -5
How is anyone a fan of the Hawk?
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