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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 25, 2015 17:44:53 GMT -5
Just heard Hanley has been told he will be 1rst next year. He's taking grounders.
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Post by awall on Aug 25, 2015 17:48:06 GMT -5
Assuming DD can't unload him. Please let DD unload him, please.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 25, 2015 17:49:14 GMT -5
I was wondering what took the board so long to post this.
Good chance, apparently, that he gets a game or three later this year. Lovullo said this was not a consideration before Dombrowski was hired.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Aug 25, 2015 17:59:58 GMT -5
Actually please let him be a league average defensive 1B with his typical slash line of 367/495/862 with 26 jacks. And maybe a tad better with less wear and tear. That would make him both valuable and tradeable.
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Post by youngbillrussell on Aug 25, 2015 18:00:11 GMT -5
Can't be much worse than his LF play this year.
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Post by nomar on Aug 25, 2015 18:02:27 GMT -5
Lol'ed at "1rst", cried tears of joy for the actual news. Fantastic thread all around.
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Post by justen on Aug 25, 2015 18:06:01 GMT -5
Actually please let him be a league average defensive 1B with his typical slash line of 367/495/862 with 26 jacks. And maybe a tad better with less wear and tear. That would make him both valuable and tradeable. typical huh Really can't imagine him being as bad at first having experience in the infield. Definitely creates potential at moving him to offset some salary or hold until Ortiz's demise. Good idea all around. #LetJBJplay |
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Post by atzar on Aug 25, 2015 18:10:41 GMT -5
I remain unconvinced that a guy who struggled mightily to adapt to a new position will suddenly become adequate or better at another new position.
Still, I can't argue against a Betts/Bradley/Castillo outfield. So that will be fun.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 18:18:22 GMT -5
This is just an effort at re-establishing Hanley's market value. Right now, his value is at rock bottom and can't go anywhere but up. If he's horrible at 1st, then the Red Sox have lost nothing. If, however, he's decent defensively, then the team won't have to eat quite as much in any ensuing trade.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Aug 25, 2015 18:31:04 GMT -5
Actually please let him be a league average defensive 1B with his typical slash line of 367/495/862 with 26 jacks. And maybe a tad better with less wear and tear. That would make him both valuable and tradeable. typical huh Really can't imagine him being as bad at first having experience in the infield. Definitely creates potential at moving him to offset some salary or hold until Ortiz's demise. Good idea all around. #LetJBJplay I should have said per 162 games for the 26 HR, but yeah the slash line is his average |
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Post by jimoh on Aug 25, 2015 18:33:22 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 2h2 hours ago
Hanley in good spirits about first base. In favor of it. Smiling and laughing. "I just want the ring."
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Post by justen on Aug 25, 2015 18:41:03 GMT -5
typical huh Really can't imagine him being as bad at first having experience in the infield. Definitely creates potential at moving him to offset some salary or hold until Ortiz's demise. Good idea all around. #LetJBJplay I should have said per 162 games for the 26 HR, but yeah the slash line is his average Misunderstood OBP for BA I apologize. Is there some sort of defensive metric available that might be able to at least point to whether or not he'll be even slightly efficient at 1b? |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 25, 2015 18:42:58 GMT -5
typical huh Really can't imagine him being as bad at first having experience in the infield. Definitely creates potential at moving him to offset some salary or hold until Ortiz's demise. Good idea all around. #LetJBJplay I should have said per 162 games for the 26 HR, but yeah the slash line is his average As long as we're being picky about this, I'll be deep in the cold cold ground before I recognize the OBP/SLG/OPS slash line. |
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Post by joshv02 on Aug 25, 2015 18:44:58 GMT -5
I was wondering what took the board so long to post this. . Soxhop grandsalami had a class? |
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Post by raindelay on Aug 25, 2015 19:10:48 GMT -5
Did anyone notice who was standing off to the side while Butterfield was instructing Hanley?
Why it was Blake Swihart, wearing a 1st baseman's glove.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 25, 2015 19:27:02 GMT -5
I am willing to be open minded about this move, but I forsee angst and agita with this move. Hanley is a poor defender no matter where he plays and now we may stick him in the spot where the most action occurs. Color me very skeptical.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2015 19:36:40 GMT -5
Actually please let him be a league average defensive 1B with his typical slash line of 367/495/862 with 26 jacks. And maybe a tad better with less wear and tear. That would make him both valuable and tradeable. So the only thing stopping him from hitting like the best hitter of all time and a below league average hitter is the position he's playing? Color me skeptical. Just noticed that you're posting OBP/SLUG/OPS instead of BA/OBP/SLUG like everyone ever.. |
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Post by jdb on Aug 25, 2015 19:41:42 GMT -5
Did anyone notice who was standing off to the side while Butterfield was instructing Hanley? Why it was Blake Swihart, wearing a 1st baseman's glove. I noticed that as well. |
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Post by jimoh on Aug 25, 2015 19:43:33 GMT -5
Did anyone notice who was standing off to the side while Butterfield was instructing Hanley? Why it was Blake Swihart, wearing a 1st baseman's glove. I noticed that as well. Swihart was there to throw the balls that Hanley would catch. "Because I can't throw," said Butterfield. |
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Post by jimoh on Aug 25, 2015 20:32:31 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 25, 2015 20:32:43 GMT -5
Was Swihart wearing a first baseman's glove? It looked to me like a catcher's mitt.
EDIT: Looked at video. Still can't tell, but did look more like a 1B glove there than in the Zapruder photos.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 25, 2015 20:43:34 GMT -5
I remain unconvinced that a guy who struggled mightily to adapt to a new position will suddenly become adequate or better at another new position. Still, I can't argue against a Betts/Bradley/Castillo outfield. So that will be fun. There's a good chance he's also a horrible 1st baseman...but the guy spent the first 15ish years of his professional career in the infield, so I'd say there's a better chance of him being competent at 1st than in left field. Assuming his offense reverts back to normal, you only need him to be passable at 1st for a year anyway, before he takes over at DH. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2015 22:29:07 GMT -5
I remain unconvinced that a guy who struggled mightily to adapt to a new position will suddenly become adequate or better at another new position. Still, I can't argue against a Betts/Bradley/Castillo outfield. So that will be fun. There's a good chance he's also a horrible 1st baseman...but the guy spent the first 15ish years of his professional career in the infield, so I'd say there's a better chance of him being competent at 1st than in left field. Assuming his offense reverts back to normal, you only need him to be passable at 1st for a year anyway, before he takes over at DH. Way too many assumptions for me. |
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 25, 2015 23:29:04 GMT -5
We actually have a very good idea of what kind of defensive 1B he will be:
-- He will have solid range. He's one year away from projecting to be a -7 SS, which requires hugely more range.
-- The Sox should know exactly how good he will be at picking throws, by watching video of him fielding one-hop grounders, which are much tougher. Most likely, he'll be perfectly adequate.
-- He will lead the league in negative Good Fielding Plays, infuriating us by throwing to the wrong base, going after balls that are so far to his right that the pitcher doesn't cover 1B and the 2B fields it easily, etc., because he has the baseball instincts of a kumquat.
Edit: yes, in my third point I'm agreeing that in a certain way he's a terrible fielder. But he is being moved to a position which utilizes his existing skills, which are very real, whereas LF required him to learn new skills.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 2:46:49 GMT -5
Dombrowski is already paying dividends. This is a move that Cherington never could have made without having to eat crow.
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