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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 26, 2015 21:55:44 GMT -5
I think the concern is that ... he won't redo his body and won't commit the time and effort needed to make himself into a passable first baseman …Isn't that what Spring Training is for?
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Post by greenmonsterwhalers on Aug 26, 2015 22:15:16 GMT -5
I think the concern is that ... he won't redo his body and won't commit the time and effort needed to make himself into a passable first baseman …Isn't that what Spring Training is for? Spring Training gives him some time, yes, but it doesn't address the effort component. Duda is right in that whether it's true or not, it looks at times like Hanley isn't putting forth his best effort. At 1B, he will be involved in way more plays so if the transition doesn't work out, it has the potential to be very costly for the Red Sox. The flip side, of course, is that it could be a great fit that enables the Red Sox to get their best players on the field, with Hanley reducing the wear and tear on his body so he can be better at the plate.
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Post by greenmonsterwhalers on Aug 26, 2015 22:33:04 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been brought up in other threads, but I'm wondering if the Red Sox would consider having a different outfield alignment at home and on the road. On the road, the obvious best alignment is (left to right): Betts, JBJ, Castillo. At home though, I would suggest an alignment of (left to right): Castillo, Betts, Bradley. Yes, Bradley won't be in center, but I think this alignment is the best option at Fenway because Mookie's ability to cover ground would otherwise be completely wasted in LF. Also, in addition to having a great arm in RF, it would enable us to have a strong arm in LF, and I believe that a strong arm in LF is much more valuable at Fenway than at any other park. That's because the left fielder has the ability to impact so many plays with his arm due to his proximity to the bases. At no other park does the left fielder have nearly as many chances to throw runners out at second on wall-balls, and at no other park does the left fielder have nearly as many chances to throw guys out at third and home. Castillo has made some questionable decisions recently in terms of throwing to the wrong bases, but it has usually been in instances when he was simply too eager to try to throw runners out. I'm betting he would be chomping at the bit to have so many chances to impact the game with his arm.
What do you guys think? Has any team ever consistently had a different outfield alignment at home vs on the road? Would you be willing to try this out?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 26, 2015 23:22:22 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been brought up in other threads, but I 'm wondering if the Red Sox would consider having a different outfield alignment at home and on the road. On the road, the obvious best alignment is (left to right): Betts, JBJ, Castillo. At home though, I would suggest an alignment of (left to right): Castillo, Betts, Bradley. Yes, Bradley won't be in center, but I think this alignment is the best option at Fenway because Mookie's ability to cover ground would otherwise be completely wasted in LF. Also, in addition to having a great arm in RF, it would enable us to have a strong arm in LF, and I believe that a strong arm in LF is much more valuable at Fenway than at any other park. That's because the left fielder has the ability to impact so many plays with his arm due to his proximity to the bases. At no other park does the left fielder have nearly as many chances to throw runners out at second on wall-balls, and at no other park does the left fielder have nearly as many chances to throw guys out at third and home. Castillo has made some questionable decisions recently in terms of throwing to the wrong bases, but it has usually been in instances when he was simply too eager to try to throw runners out. I'm betting he would be chomping at the bit to have so many chances to impact the game with his arm. What do you guys think? Has any team ever consistently had a different outfield alignment at home vs on the road? Would you be willing to try this out? That was a thought I had yesterday on the how to fix the Sox thread. And I had the same idea and same exact alignment for home and away. It's true that speed doesn't matter in LF as much in Fenway, and I hear this all the time, yet it's easily forgotten that the Sox play a lot of games, 81 of them, away from Fenway and having a LF who can move and play defense is an asset. A guy like Manny or even Greenwell were fine playing the wall, but they were exposed defensively on the road. I agree that Fenway has two CFs, one in CF and one in RF and that Bradley's arm and CF ability would serve him well in the toughest RF in baseball, while Betts flat out speed would work in CF for the Sox and Castillo would be left to handle LF. On the road, Bradley would be the best CF in the league and Castillo's arm would play in RF with Betts taking LF. I don't think this would be done because it would probably throw the players out of their usual habits having to change their positions every few days or so, but I think it's an interesting idea, too.
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Post by m1keyboots on Aug 27, 2015 1:08:17 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been brought up in other threads, but I 'm wondering if the Red Sox would consider having a different outfield alignment at home and on the road. On the road, the obvious best alignment is (left to right): Betts, JBJ, Castillo. At home though, I would suggest an alignment of (left to right): Castillo, Betts, Bradley. Yes, Bradley won't be in center, but I think this alignment is the best option at Fenway because Mookie's ability to cover ground would otherwise be completely wasted in LF. Also, in addition to having a great arm in RF, it would enable us to have a strong arm in LF, and I believe that a strong arm in LF is much more valuable at Fenway than at any other park. That's because the left fielder has the ability to impact so many plays with his arm due to his proximity to the bases. At no other park does the left fielder have nearly as many chances to throw runners out at second on wall-balls, and at no other park does the left fielder have nearly as many chances to throw guys out at third and home. Castillo has made some questionable decisions recently in terms of throwing to the wrong bases, but it has usually been in instances when he was simply too eager to try to throw runners out. I'm betting he would be chomping at the bit to have so many chances to impact the game with his arm. What do you guys think? Has any team ever consistently had a different outfield alignment at home vs on the road? Would you be willing to try this out? That was a thought I had yesterday on the how to fix the Sox thread. And I had the same idea and same exact alignment for home and away. It's true that speed doesn't matter in LF as much in Fenway, and I hear this all the time, yet it's easily forgotten that the Sox play a lot of games, 81 of them, away from Fenway and having a LF who can move and play defense is an asset. A guy like Manny or even Greenwell were fine playing the wall, but they were exposed defensively on the road. I agree that Fenway has two CFs, one in CF and one in RF and that Bradley's arm and CF ability would serve him well in the toughest RF in baseball, while Betts flat out speed would work in CF for the Sox and Castillo would be left to handle LF. On the road, Bradley would be the best CF in the league and Castillo's arm would play in RF with Betts taking LF. I don't think this would be done because it would probably throw the players out of their usual habits having to change their positions every few days or so, but I think it's an interesting idea, too. keep the elite cfer in cf. don't move him for a guy who is above average bc his arm isn't as strong as thr elite cfer. rusney has plenty of arm for right and he won't bundle plays off the wall. mookie feels like he'd be a wall rat and have it mastered in a year
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Post by soxfan1615 on Aug 27, 2015 8:23:56 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been brought up in other threads, but I 'm wondering if the Red Sox would consider having a different outfield alignment at home and on the road. On the road, the obvious best alignment is (left to right): Betts, JBJ, Castillo. At home though, I would suggest an alignment of (left to right): Castillo, Betts, Bradley. Yes, Bradley won't be in center, but I think this alignment is the best option at Fenway because Mookie's ability to cover ground would otherwise be completely wasted in LF. Also, in addition to having a great arm in RF, it would enable us to have a strong arm in LF, and I believe that a strong arm in LF is much more valuable at Fenway than at any other park. That's because the left fielder has the ability to impact so many plays with his arm due to his proximity to the bases. At no other park does the left fielder have nearly as many chances to throw runners out at second on wall-balls, and at no other park does the left fielder have nearly as many chances to throw guys out at third and home. Castillo has made some questionable decisions recently in terms of throwing to the wrong bases, but it has usually been in instances when he was simply too eager to try to throw runners out. I'm betting he would be chomping at the bit to have so many chances to impact the game with his arm. What do you guys think? Has any team ever consistently had a different outfield alignment at home vs on the road? Would you be willing to try this out? That was a thought I had yesterday on the how to fix the Sox thread. And I had the same idea and same exact alignment for home and away. It's true that speed doesn't matter in LF as much in Fenway, and I hear this all the time, yet it's easily forgotten that the Sox play a lot of games, 81 of them, away from Fenway and having a LF who can move and play defense is an asset. A guy like Manny or even Greenwell were fine playing the wall, but they were exposed defensively on the road. I agree that Fenway has two CFs, one in CF and one in RF and that Bradley's arm and CF ability would serve him well in the toughest RF in baseball, while Betts flat out speed would work in CF for the Sox and Castillo would be left to handle LF. On the road, Bradley would be the best CF in the league and Castillo's arm would play in RF with Betts taking LF. I don't think this would be done because it would probably throw the players out of their usual habits having to change their positions every few days or so, but I think it's an interesting idea, too. Bradley would not be the best CF in the league. Kevin Kiermaier is a better CF, and Juan Lagares might be as well
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 27, 2015 8:57:10 GMT -5
Isn't that what Spring Training is for? Spring Training gives him some time, yes, but it doesn't address the effort component … Sir, my post was a poor attempt at sarcasm. And, perhaps, what Hanley may be thinking, come offseason.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 27, 2015 9:09:33 GMT -5
Having him attempt to play first base now is a win win.
It gives the brass a chance to see if he is committed and if he is capable of the transition.
It gives the rest of MLB the possibility he could play there next season for their organization.
For me the latter is the most important because I really doubt he has the commitment to work on any aspect of his game. Truly I hope I'm wrong. We could use his bat, the 2013 version, next season at first. And it would be nice to have him potentially around to handle the lion's share of DH in future years. Not very confident at this point after seeing his effort(?) this year.
Never understand why I can't get it into my thick scull that most people can't or won't change. Hanley is Hanley. Butter will probably be committed somewhere after this season.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 27, 2015 10:20:27 GMT -5
How so? I can definitely see a conversation that went something along the lines of:
Dombrowski: Hanley's killing us in left field. Any ideas?
Staff: We've talked about moving him to first.
Dombrowski: But he was blocked by Napoli.
Staff: Yeah, so that had to change. And then Ben wanted to give Shaw a look see.
Dombrowski: Shaw's not a long term solution. We all know that. Get Hanley up to speed at first.
I was referring to the tweet several of us had previously discussed that attributed to Lovullo the statement that Hanley at first base had not been discussed prior to Tuesday. That link seems to say quite the opposite that they'd had prior discussions. And yeah, if we want to get hyper-technical, "period of time" could mean two days, but can we agree that was pretty clearly not what he meant? I'm not saying they've been talking about it since June, but it seems like an incredibly strange way to phrase it if the discussions hadn't happened prior to Dombrowski showing up with this clever idea about what to do with Ramirez.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Aug 27, 2015 12:00:02 GMT -5
How so? I can definitely see a conversation that went something along the lines of:
Dombrowski: Hanley's killing us in left field. Any ideas?
Staff: We've talked about moving him to first.
Dombrowski: But he was blocked by Napoli.
Staff: Yeah, so that had to change. And then Ben wanted to give Shaw a look see.
Dombrowski: Shaw's not a long term solution. We all know that. Get Hanley up to speed at first.
I was referring to the tweet several of us had previously discussed that attributed to Lovullo the statement that Hanley at first base had not been discussed prior to Tuesday. That link seems to say quite the opposite that they'd had prior discussions. And yeah, if we want to get hyper-technical, "period of time" could mean two days, but can we agree that was pretty clearly not what he meant? I'm not saying they've been talking about it since June, but it seems like an incredibly strange way to phrase it if the discussions hadn't happened prior to Dombrowski showing up with this clever idea about what to do with Ramirez. This all makes sense if you read the initial tweet about the Lovullo comment to mean that they hadn't discussed it with Hanley or even with real intent to make it operational before Dombrowski came on board. That may have been the context of the original question or his discussion ... who knows? It was a tweet. But, seems clear that they had batted the idea around a bit, but hadn't really prioritized it or approached Hanley about it until Dombrowski front-burnered it when he came on board. Which I think is a plausible account but still not flattering of the Cherington operation. To me, this was the single biggest position-player issue when thinking about 2016, and the only reason not to proceed would've been Hanley reluctance. If the move to first works out, it solves multiple problems at once and really only leaves them marginal moves away from a complete position-player team for next year. Pitching, on the other hand ...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 27, 2015 13:06:30 GMT -5
That was a thought I had yesterday on the how to fix the Sox thread. And I had the same idea and same exact alignment for home and away. It's true that speed doesn't matter in LF as much in Fenway, and I hear this all the time, yet it's easily forgotten that the Sox play a lot of games, 81 of them, away from Fenway and having a LF who can move and play defense is an asset. A guy like Manny or even Greenwell were fine playing the wall, but they were exposed defensively on the road. I agree that Fenway has two CFs, one in CF and one in RF and that Bradley's arm and CF ability would serve him well in the toughest RF in baseball, while Betts flat out speed would work in CF for the Sox and Castillo would be left to handle LF. On the road, Bradley would be the best CF in the league and Castillo's arm would play in RF with Betts taking LF. I don't think this would be done because it would probably throw the players out of their usual habits having to change their positions every few days or so, but I think it's an interesting idea, too. Bradley would not be the best CF in the league. Kevin Kiermaier is a better CF, and Juan Lagares might be as well Point taken, but he'd be up there with the best. He's an excellent CF.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 28, 2015 17:36:44 GMT -5
DD on Hanley and first
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 28, 2015 23:45:42 GMT -5
DD on Hanley and first Are they intending to play Hanley at 1B this season at all???
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 29, 2015 7:28:40 GMT -5
DD on Hanley and first Are they intending to play Hanley at 1B this season at all??? DomBro pretty clearly states that he wants to know now, whether Hanley can play 1B, where he mentions not wanting to wait until ST to see how he handles the position.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 29, 2015 10:07:52 GMT -5
Really like the Dombrowski move on "forcing" the issue with Hanley. Cherington was fine with kicking the can down the road until Spring Training. That was worrisome when your dealing with someone perceived (universally) as being less than a tireless worker. Taking a look at Hanley's effort and aptitude now makes decisions easier. Here's hoping for a miracle with this experiment.
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 29, 2015 10:17:08 GMT -5
Since it's going to take time to get Hanley ready (like he was ready for left field?) before we actually see him at first in games, it would have been nice if this process had started a few weeks ago, if not earlier. Kind of sad that it took Dombro coming in for this to happen, and I'd like to know what Cherington's thought process on the issue was.
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Post by okin15 on Aug 29, 2015 10:34:46 GMT -5
I still don't think that Bradley/Mookie/Castillo is your best outfield day in and day out. First off, I'm still questionable on Castillo's professionalism, and both the corner bats. Secondly, you need a 4th outfielder, and a Castillo Bradley platoon sounds perfect for that. Lastly, I worry tremendously about Hanley at first. He is getting better in LF. Leave him there.
Either way, the guy ought to play a little winter ball to get some reps at his 2016 position. Tough ask for a vet though.
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Post by michael on Aug 29, 2015 11:46:05 GMT -5
Since it's going to take time to get Hanley ready (like he was ready for left field?) before we actually see him at first in games, it would have been nice if this process had started a few weeks ago, if not earlier. Kind of sad that it took Dombro coming in for this to happen, and I'd like to know what Cherington's thought process on the issue was. If Ben were a politician he would announce that he wanted to try Hanley at 1st in June but LL forbade it. Blame the last person who left unless it's you.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Aug 29, 2015 12:43:33 GMT -5
I still don't think that Bradley/Mookie/Castillo is your best outfield day in and day out. First off, I'm still questionable on Castillo's professionalism, and both the corner bats. Secondly, you need a 4th outfielder, and a Castillo Bradley platoon sounds perfect for that. Lastly, I worry tremendously about Hanley at first. He is getting better in LF. Leave him there. Either way, the guy ought to play a little winter ball to get some reps at his 2016 position. Tough ask for a vet though. I want Jackie being a full-time starter.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 29, 2015 12:50:12 GMT -5
I'm predicting a bit of a rebound year for Pablo. Not great. Just decent. And, I still hate the signing. I wasn't against the Hanley signing. Easy for me to admit I'm wrong. Won't cost me 66 million dollars. I don't think Hanley will be on the Red Sox by next summer. He was a coach killer in Miami and LA. We should have seen it coming. We didn't. We eat most of the money. He gone as Hawk likes to say.
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 1, 2015 16:54:42 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier · 1h1 hour ago
Lovullo says he does not expect Hanley Ramirez to play OF again this year. Lovullo 'hopeful' Ramirez plays 1B before end of season.
Alex Speier @alexspeier · 1h1 hour ago
Lovullo said OF of Betts, Bradley, Castillo deserves to play.
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Only took him a couple of months longer than the majority here to figure this out...
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 1, 2015 17:12:12 GMT -5
Difference is....he wasn't in charge a couple of months ago.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 1, 2015 18:49:29 GMT -5
Excellent news and another perk from the FO change. We are officially off our duff and making the correct calls going forward. Hanley probably has re-occurring nightmares of a big green monster.
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Post by jmei on Feb 3, 2016 15:44:10 GMT -5
I moved the Swihart discussion to its own thread.
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