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De Aza traded to SF for LHP Luis Ysla
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Post by nomar on Sept 2, 2015 8:49:38 GMT -5
I'll the Gunkel for Ysla swap anyday. Gunkel has shiny numbers but I think he'll be a very fungible bullpen arm. Ysla throws some heat from left side and needs some more experience and ability to harness it better. I'll go with that, thanks. Yeah and with the arm slot I think he has as good of a shot at being a lefty specialist as Gunkel has at being a middle reliever.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 2, 2015 8:49:42 GMT -5
Believe me when I say that you can knock 20% of the hits off of his total. You need to have a feel for how grossly exaggerated the offensive environments are in both the Pacific Coast League and the California League. I'm remembering the "amazing" years the Sox players had in Lancaster. Guys like Aaron Bates, Lars Anderson, Zach Daeges, etc. We all thought they were legit 30 homer threats. You had the opportunity to make a Bubba Bell reference and failed to take it? For shame.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Sept 2, 2015 8:52:06 GMT -5
Let's all remember Bubba Bell slashed 370/455/665 with 22 HR's and 83 RBI's in only 76 games in Lancaster in 2007
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Post by Smittyw on Sept 2, 2015 9:17:13 GMT -5
Hahaha...I miss Lancaster.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 2, 2015 9:24:09 GMT -5
Let's all remember Bubba Bell slashed 370/455/665 with 22 HR's and 83 RBI's in only 76 games in Lancaster in 2007 I still remember talking to Hazen in Pawtucket that summer and him admitting they were as baffled as we were.
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Post by raftsox on Sept 2, 2015 10:00:52 GMT -5
I'm remembering the "amazing" years the Sox players had in Lancaster. Guys like Aaron Bates, Lars Anderson, Zach Daeges, etc. We all thought they were legit 30 homer threats. You had the opportunity to make a Bubba Bell reference and failed to take it? For shame. I knew there was someone I was forgetting!
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Post by sammo420 on Sept 2, 2015 13:02:18 GMT -5
Hate to profess stupidity, but what is meant by a "lotto ticket"? you can strike gold, or get nothing It's a player who has a fairly high ceiling, but is a long shot to get there and has a pretty decent shot at not being anything. high reward, low risk, low chance of paying off.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 2, 2015 14:13:00 GMT -5
Let's all remember Bubba Bell slashed 370/455/665 with 22 HR's and 83 RBI's in only 76 games in Lancaster in 2007 I still remember talking to Hazen in Pawtucket that summer and him admitting they were as baffled as we were. Not for nothing was Lancaster's field called The Hanger. We watched the team play over two years. The best player I saw, hands down, was Josh Reddick. We watched him in San Jose which is not an exceptional offensive environment, and Visalia which has a stronger offensive profile but nothing like those in the Mojave desert. He absolutely killed it, with screaming liners flying all over the park. That was a tightly controlled swing with explosive follow-through that could launch rockets, but one he unleashed at that time on anything near the plate. It took him a while to discipline that swing, but he turned into an asset. Justin Masterson was very good and it was obvious to me that he had real ML potential. I also liked Michael Bowden 1.0, the version that featured a very slow overhand delivery directly over his head, almost as if he was brushing his hair from back to front. He was very effective in the Cal League that year. Bowden 2.0 was such a vastly different pitcher he might as well been the same guy in name only. I understand why they changed his style - I could have stolen a base off the guy and I had lost a lot of speed even then. But he was never the same after that. I watched Bell, Daeges and the others. I figured Bubba was largely a flash in the pan, much too old for the league he was playing in and taking advantage of a ridiculous environment. I didn't feel the same way about Nava - he looked like a ballplayer from the get go and he just had a lot of skills. Daeges I thought had potential, but not as a power hitter even though he was quite a big guy. He had exceptional discipline and enough XBH clout to keep pitchers honest. He showed well at Portland, got hurt, and was never the same player either. Lars Anderson was semi-impressive, but he appears to have been a product of that environment as well. He looked good early in Portland, but was quickly exposed with a long swing and a bat that couldn't quite catch up to hard stuff. The other guys I thought might make an impact were a reliever, Richie Lentz, and a catcher Mark Wagner. Lentz had a nice pitch mix and looked promising in Portland. He also retired after an injury. Wagner rose to AAA, but got flipped by the Sox and never quite reached the escape velocity to make it to the majors. Really liked his defensive skills, but the hitting never quite matched up. Watched a lot of others: Argenis Diaz who's still kicking around I believe; Chih-Hsien Chiang who even then had a Taiwanese student reporter following him around; Jorge Jimenez who could hit and draw walks but was an indifferent fielder. This Greenville crew will be moving on to Salem, though probably not for long if guys like Moncada and Benitendi are for real. Catch them while you can. This is one of the best prospect groups to surface in the Sox system since... well since Betts, Bradley, Swihart, and Owens. And we know what happened to those guys.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 2, 2015 15:51:20 GMT -5
... What is Gunkels upside? An average reliever? Yes, please. We'll take three. His upside is average reliever chances are he never gets there. Also you don't want average relievers, you want above average to good relievers, there's a massive difference. umassgrad2005: If that girl can drop 150 pounds, shave her back, and fix her limp she could end up being a solid 5. benogliviesbrother: Yes, please. We'll take three. Please excuse me for not using the SARCASM wand, but it did seem obvious enough to me. Just goes to show, once words are turned loose there's just no telling what bounty they'll return.
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Post by okin15 on Sept 2, 2015 16:32:27 GMT -5
Hey man, I know I'm not a mod, but can you please use the quote box when you're copy/pasting from a site? I was thinking that you just saw this guy pitch last week, and was really thrown off by the may results quoted at the bottom. Those are in fact from May 2014 btw. Thanks.
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Post by gerry on Sept 2, 2015 17:37:55 GMT -5
I still remember talking to Hazen in Pawtucket that summer and him admitting they were as baffled as we were. Not for nothing was Lancaster's field called The Hanger. We watched the team play over two years. The best player I saw, hands down, was Josh Reddick. We watched him in San Jose which is not an exceptional offensive environment, and Visalia which has a stronger offensive profile but nothing like those in the Mojave desert. He absolutely killed it, with screaming liners flying all over the park. That was a tightly controlled swing with explosive follow-through that could launch rockets, but one he unleashed at that time on anything near the plate. It took him a while to discipline that swing, but he turned into an asset. Justin Masterson was very good and it was obvious to me that he had real ML potential. I also liked Michael Bowden 1.0, the version that featured a very slow overhand delivery directly over his head, almost as if he was brushing his hair from back to front. He was very effective in the Cal League that year. Bowden 2.0 was such a vastly different pitcher he might as well been the same guy in name only. I understand why they changed his style - I could have stolen a base off the guy and I had lost a lot of speed even then. But he was never the same after that. I watched Bell, Daeges and the others. I figured Bubba was largely a flash in the pan, much too old for the league he was playing in and taking advantage of a ridiculous environment. I didn't feel the same way about Nava - he looked like a ballplayer from the get go and he just had a lot of skills. Daeges I thought had potential, but not as a power hitter even though he was quite a big guy. He had exceptional discipline and enough XBH clout to keep pitchers honest. He showed well at Portland, got hurt, and was never the same player either. Lars Anderson was semi-impressive, but he appears to have been a product of that environment as well. He looked good early in Portland, but was quickly exposed with a long swing and a bat that couldn't quite catch up to hard stuff. The other guys I thought might make an impact were a reliever, Richie Lentz, and a catcher Mark Wagner. Lentz had a nice pitch mix and looked promising in Portland. He also retired after an injury. Wagner rose to AAA, but got flipped by the Sox and never quite reached the escape velocity to make it to the majors. Really liked his defensive skills, but the hitting never quite matched up. Watched a lot of others: Argenis Diaz who's still kicking around I believe; Chih-Hsien Chiang who even then had a Taiwanese student reporter following him around; Jorge Jimenez who could hit and draw walks but was an indifferent fielder. This Greenville crew will be moving on to Salem, though probably not for long if guys like Moncada and Benitendi are for real. Catch them while you can. This is one of the best prospect groups to surface in the Sox system since... well since Betts, Bradley, Swihart, and Owens. And we know what happened to those guys.
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Post by gerry on Sept 2, 2015 18:00:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the comprehensive historic account. In terms of the huge current wave crashing on the Red Sox Shore I would include XB, Castillo, Vasquez, Workman, Johnson, Shaw, as well as transplants like Brockholt, Rodriguez; plus that final, sputtering, still rideable push before the next set begins, perhaps from Hembree, Escobar, Aro. What a ride. We have a year or more to catch our breaths and paddle out for that next set, being led by whomever survives this trade season.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 2, 2015 19:53:48 GMT -5
Not for nothing was Lancaster's field called The Hanger …That was sweet reminisce, Norm. Thanks.
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Post by michael on Sept 3, 2015 10:49:25 GMT -5
You had the opportunity to make a Bubba Bell reference and failed to take it? For shame. I knew there was someone I was forgetting! Apparently Bubba didn't ring a bell.
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