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Post by nomar on Oct 1, 2015 10:07:27 GMT -5
@sean_McAdam: As speculation swirls, Red Sox will bring back Farrell in '16 providing he gets clean bill of health t.co/m9UIeZ5lCgWish the guy a clean bill of health more than anything else, but he's demonstrated that he's a bad in game manager repeatedly.
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Post by p23w on Oct 1, 2015 12:01:34 GMT -5
Totally disagree.
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Post by jrffam05 on Oct 1, 2015 12:21:43 GMT -5
Somebody said this earlier, but the best case scenario in my eyes is giving Farrel a front office job after his recovery.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 1, 2015 12:35:23 GMT -5
Maybe they can have NESN take care of him.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 1, 2015 13:42:14 GMT -5
Somebody said this earlier, but the best case scenario in my eyes is giving Farrel a front office job after his recovery. If "giving him a front office job" is a euphemism for putting him out to pasture, then I'd be for it. But is there any reason to think he'd be any good at a front office job? Is there any reason to believe he'd want to take one?
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Post by jrffam05 on Oct 1, 2015 13:52:06 GMT -5
Somebody said this earlier, but the best case scenario in my eyes is giving Farrel a front office job after his recovery. If "giving him a front office job" is a euphemism for putting him out to pasture, then I'd be for it. But is there any reason to think he'd be any good at a front office job? Is there any reason to believe he'd want to take one? Without looking it up, I believe he has held similar front office jobs before. And I don't mean it as putting him out to pasture. I think it is the right opportunity for him to stay within the game of baseball with a team that values while he focuses on his health and his family. I'd also say without looking it up, that a move back and fourth between front office and management is somewhat common in baseball. And no, I have no reason to believe he'd want to take one or not take one. Just from my chair with what I know I think it makes sense. Personally I would value the less scrutinized, less time consuming, yet still challenging and prestigious position in his case, but my opinion doesn't really matter.
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Post by tjb21 on Oct 1, 2015 13:59:32 GMT -5
Really hope he makes a full recovery.
Don't want him as the manager for the Red Sox.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 1, 2015 14:21:20 GMT -5
To be clear, the report is that Farrell will be the manager if healthy, not that he will be with the organization in an undetermined role.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 1, 2015 14:50:03 GMT -5
Do we get a vote?
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Post by nomar on Oct 1, 2015 14:58:47 GMT -5
To be clear, the report is that Farrell will be the manager if healthy, not that he will be with the organization in an undetermined role. This. Which is meh IMO. It's not his fault JBJ and Shaw replaced Sandoval and Hanley once he went down, so I don't think our better half is the result of Lovullo. But Farrell is horrible with using even the most basic splits to form a lineup and makes questionable decisions with the bullpen as well. I don't think he has a huge effect on the number of games we win, but he doesn't have a positive one either IMO.
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Post by jrffam05 on Oct 1, 2015 15:08:35 GMT -5
To be clear, the report is that Farrell will be the manager if healthy, not that he will be with the organization in an undetermined role. I don't think anyone is trying to refute this report... And it's not like reports are all that reliable.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 1, 2015 15:15:47 GMT -5
Righteous. People shouldn't lose their job because of illness, no matter the occupation.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 1, 2015 15:49:20 GMT -5
Righteous. People shouldn't lose their job because of illness, no matter the occupation. Illness is not why people want to get rid of Farrell. I'm not sure personally. I've always been suspicious of Farrell's ability to handle young players, and it is kind of interesting how the team's young core seemed to blossom as soon as he left, but clearly there's other reasons for it working out that way. Still though, nothing that's happened since he's been gone indicates that Farrell is essential to the future success of this organization.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 1, 2015 16:31:27 GMT -5
Righteous. People shouldn't lose their job because of illness, no matter the occupation. Illness is not why people want to get rid of Farrell. No, people want to get rid of him because of his performance. I never said what you just wrote. What I am saying is that he deserves to be manager again because people shouldn't lose their jobs because of illness. It's a core belief of mine.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 1, 2015 17:26:25 GMT -5
It's a tough situation because, no, no one should lose their job in his situation. However, if he was healthy, I'd definitely want him to go. It's not the in-game stuff people obsess over here that bothers me the most; it's the way the longer term challenges are handled. Hanley was a disaster that wasn't dealt in any way until the Cherington/Farrell duo was out of the picture. Last year, you had the Stephen Drew signing, another disaster. I don't like the way JBJ was handled this year, and there were hints in Speier's article that the pitching staff's preparation wasn't helpful (something like "they started focusing on their strengths instead of being weighed down by information about their opponents' weaknesses"). Those are just examples off the top of my head, but there was just a general sense of problems not being dealt with and a lack of nimbleness overall.
It's hard to tease out the Cherington/Farrell blame, but some of it is clearly on the manager.
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Post by danr on Oct 1, 2015 17:29:16 GMT -5
One of the pitchers - I can't remember which one -said that when Farrell was managing pitchers were told to pitch to the weaknesses of batters. After Lovullo took over pitchers were told to pitch to their strengths. If that is true, then it explains very well why the pitching improved.
Most successful people - not just ballplayers - play to their strengths and that, by itself, minimizes their weaknesses. We used to argue with some of our daughter's teachers when they obsessed about her weaknesses. We said focus on her strengths, and when they did, she did much better and had more confidence. The Sox pitchers generally are throwing with more confidence and that has made them better.
If it was Farrell's idea to throw to batter's weaknesses - and if he still believes it when he comes back - his tenure might not be very long. It's a truly bad idea.
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Post by mgoetze on Oct 2, 2015 12:52:20 GMT -5
BOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by sox fan in nc on Oct 2, 2015 13:47:40 GMT -5
I wonder if JF ever thinks that maybe it would be best for the org AND for his GOOD fried Torey Lovullo, that maybe he should step aside & let TL take over the field MGR job.....
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Post by jrffam05 on Oct 2, 2015 13:50:48 GMT -5
I wonder if JF ever thinks that maybe it would be best for the org AND for his GOOD fried Torey Lovullo, that maybe he should step aside & let TL take over the field MGR job..... Let's get Hanley and Sandoval on this thought process too while we're at it.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Oct 2, 2015 14:13:43 GMT -5
Think about it.....If you were John Farrell, going through your treatments & so forth.....you are seeing what this team is doing.....there is no good scenario if/when you come back next spring as the mgr.....if the team does well, it was TL's guidance to get the team on track and your just continuing what TL started....If the team gets off to a poor start, the fans/press would really come down hard on him & by then TL will be in another town & what options will we have then.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 2, 2015 14:40:34 GMT -5
There is no doubt in my mind that Lovullo will be gone this winter if they don't give him the manager job.
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Post by nomar on Oct 2, 2015 14:42:37 GMT -5
There is no doubt in my mind that Lovullo will be gone this winter if they don't give him the manager job. Agreed. I'm more concerned with Farrell remaining manager than I am with Lovullo leaving though.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 2, 2015 14:55:58 GMT -5
There is no doubt in my mind that Lovullo will be gone this winter if they don't give him the manager job. Agreed. I'm more concerned with Farrell remaining manager than I am with Lovullo leaving though. I kinda think he might be worth holding on to. I like what he has to say and the players are really playing well under him. Now whether that's just catching lightning in a bottle or not is too early to tell. But he has to be better than Farrell, which I also have no doubts about.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Oct 2, 2015 15:07:52 GMT -5
I think this all on John Farrell.....I think he comes forward & says he is stepping down as mgr due to health reasons (even though he may be ok to manage) & take a front office job....this way TL can stay on board & actually MOVE into the managers office without taking his friends job & DD doesn't have to be the bad guy in firing the man who recovered from cancer.....I don't think JF HAS to be a field mgr to be satisfied/fulfilled.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 2, 2015 15:42:17 GMT -5
I think this all on John Farrell.....I think he comes forward & says he is stepping down as mgr due to health reasons (even though he may be ok to manage) & take a front office job....this way TL can stay on board & actually MOVE into the managers office without taking his friends job & DD doesn't have to be the bad guy in firing the man who recovered from cancer.....I don't think JF HAS to be a field mgr to be satisfied/fulfilled. Special Assistant to the GM is generally considered the best job in baseball.
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