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Post by grandsalami on Oct 4, 2015 11:09:41 GMT -5
@jmastrodonato: Unbelievable really. Lovullo has signed a two year extension and waived the right to interview for jobs elsewhere. Was his dream to manage.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 4, 2015 11:11:36 GMT -5
Edes: "The Red Sox announced John Farrell will be back as manager and Torey Lovullo bench coach for 2016. Lovullo signed a two-year extension as bench coach in which he waived the right to pursue a managing job this offseason. Lovullo's agreement protects the Sox in the event Farrell's health remains an issue."
Can't figure out how to link to it on ESPN's execrable layout, but it's there. Interesting bit about Lovullo ...
edit to add: it seems like the team wanted some stability in case Farrell couldn't make it back for health reasons, clearly. It's hard to tell if Lovullo just gave up the right for this offseason or for both offseasons in the contract, but it'll be an interesting story to follow.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 4, 2015 11:21:26 GMT -5
@alexspeier: Red Sox announce that John Farrell will be back as manager, with all members of coaching staff returning except 1B coach Arnie Beyeler.
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Post by jamesmcgillstatue on Oct 4, 2015 11:50:55 GMT -5
Poor Beyeler. Lifelong minor leaguer who was one year short of qualifying for his MLB pension. I hope he gets a shot somewhere else in MLB. I remember when Victorino took him to the Gold Glove awards as his personal guest after 2013.
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Post by brockholtsuperstar on Oct 4, 2015 11:58:43 GMT -5
Is having depth at the manager position a thing? Because we have like 5 coaches that could all be pretty good managers...and John Farrell (kidding)
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 4, 2015 12:17:53 GMT -5
I think Lovullo signing is a pretty good indicator that Farrell (or the Red Sox) isn't that serious about him (Farrell) staying.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 4, 2015 13:22:19 GMT -5
Don't get why Arnie Beyeler has been let go?? I guess Cespedes and Hanley had nasty things to say about him. "Arnie made us work too hard and we didn't want to get dirty"
Seriously, it seemed like he was a very hard working coach.
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 4, 2015 13:24:47 GMT -5
Farrell finished his treatments this week. Lovullo never used the manager's office. Both will be back in the same jobs they started 2015, unless further health concerns come up for the manager. Rage on.
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 4, 2015 14:08:27 GMT -5
Don't get why Arnie Beyeler has been let go?? I guess Cespedes and Hanley had nasty things to say about him. " Arnie made us work too hard and we didn't want to get dirty" Seriously, it seemed like he was a very hard working coach. It can't be for over working Hanley. Hanley didn't even take extra work in LF till August.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 4, 2015 14:39:54 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 4, 2015 15:10:03 GMT -5
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Post by artfuldodger on Oct 4, 2015 15:24:14 GMT -5
Cafardo speculated in his article today that Rich Gedman may be ready to leave organization if not added to Red Sox coaching staff. DD may have decided to keep Gedman instead of Beyeler.
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 4, 2015 16:04:12 GMT -5
I think it is strange also but if one had to go and it's not The manager the first base coach is not too bad. These coachs are lucky the young kids kicked ass after the all star break. There main problem is motivating these veterans. I ma also worried about the contracts given to these guys. Hanley,Porcello, Panda, Castillo and Petey because of his health.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 16:05:15 GMT -5
Well, first off I'll wish Farrell continued health. Regardless of whether you think you personally are better suited to manage the Red Sox, the health of the entire Red Sox family should be priority #1. Second, I wouldn't feel sorry for Torey Lovullo. I'm sure he'll be financially well compensated for passing up the other opportunities that were sure to come. Two years from now, the team likely makes a smooth transition to Lovullo as manager with Farrell bumped up the ladder in some capacity. This news is literally a win, win, win. Unless again you're of the mind that you personally are the most qualified candidate for the job of manager of the Boston Red Sox. In that case, then yes, I can definitely see how you'd be upset by all of this.
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Post by taftreign on Oct 4, 2015 16:32:05 GMT -5
Would it be all that surprising if Farrell finishes out his deal and accepts a promotion and Lovullo is in line to take over as manager? Of course a disastrous season next year could change things.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 4, 2015 16:58:07 GMT -5
Would it be all that surprising if Farrell finishes out his deal and accepts a promotion and Lovullo is in line to take over as manager? Of course a disastrous season next year could change things. It wouldn't be all that surprising. It all depends, of course, on John's health. If all goes well, it's a good solution to the "what do we do with Lovullo" problem. As an aside, I wish the Boston radio people would learn to pronounce his name. They keep calling him "Lovello".
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Post by burythehammer on Oct 4, 2015 18:14:27 GMT -5
Probably the right thing to do, even if only on a human level. But you've gotta think JF is on an extremely short leash once he returns.
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Post by notguilty on Oct 4, 2015 19:28:24 GMT -5
Probably the right thing to do, even if only on a human level. But you've gotta think JF is on an extremely short leash once he returns. This is what I'm thinking too. If they struggle out of the gate next year, Farrell will be on the hot seat faster than a Volkswagen CO2 emission.
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Post by sittingstill on Oct 4, 2015 20:03:47 GMT -5
As an aside, I wish the Boston radio people would learn to pronounce his name. They keep calling him "Lovello". Per this chat with Rob Bradford, it rhymes with Jello. (About a minute and a half in.)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 5, 2015 9:01:52 GMT -5
I think Lovullo signing is a pretty good indicator that Farrell (or the Red Sox) isn't that serious about him (Farrell) staying. I take it as the Red Sox covering themselves in case Farrell is unable to manage next season. My understanding is that Lovullo is only agreeing not to interview for jobs THIS offseason. Although it's a two-year deal, I'm sure if he gets offered an interview NEXT offseason, he'd take it. Dombrowski also said that Lovullo is going to be compensated at a much higher level than most bench coaches, so my guess is that they went to him and asked that he stay until they knew for sure about Farrell, and offered him close-to-manager-level compensation to do so. In a competitive landscape in which there are fewer and fewer ways to leverage financial resources, this is a great way for them to do so to cover themselves given the uncertainty there - don't even mess around, just give him the cash and ask him to stay one more year just in case. I will give you, however, that Dombrowski may have it in the back of his mind that he wants to work with Farrell for a year, and that having Lovullo around might give him a replacement he'd be comfortable with. Cafardo speculated in his article today that Rich Gedman may be ready to leave organization if not added to Red Sox coaching staff. DD may have decided to keep Gedman instead of Beyeler. This sort of thing would make a lot of sense. Before reading your post, while flipping through this thread, the thought crossed my mind that they must have someone they want to add to the staff, although I was thinking more along the lines of Dombrowski having a guy he wanted to bring in.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 5, 2015 10:49:49 GMT -5
I think Lovullo signing is a pretty good indicator that Farrell (or the Red Sox) isn't that serious about him (Farrell) staying. I take it as the Red Sox covering themselves in case Farrell is unable to manage next season. My understanding is that Lovullo is only agreeing not to interview for jobs THIS offseason. Although it's a two-year deal, I'm sure if he gets offered an interview NEXT offseason, he'd take it. Dombrowski also said that Lovullo is going to be compensated at a much higher level than most bench coaches, so my guess is that they went to him and asked that he stay until they knew for sure about Farrell, and offered him close-to-manager-level compensation to do so. In a competitive landscape in which there are fewer and fewer ways to leverage financial resources, this is a great way for them to do so to cover themselves given the uncertainty there - don't even mess around, just give him the cash and ask him to stay one more year just in case. I will give you, however, that Dombrowski may have it in the back of his mind that he wants to work with Farrell for a year, and that having Lovullo around might give him a replacement he'd be comfortable with. I suppose that may be true, but what is the incentive for Lovullo to not interview this year? He still would probably get more money (I'm guessing here). I think they told him he's next in line if he stays and that it will be one more year at most if not sooner.
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Post by jamesmcgillstatue on Oct 5, 2015 11:31:29 GMT -5
Since Gedman is a batting coach, and the Sox already have two batting coaches on their MLB staff returning next season, I doubt that they fired Beyeler to make room for him. I hope he stays at Pawtucket, but good luck to him to get a batting coach gig with another organization if that's his preference.
Since Beyeler was also an outfield instructor as well as first-base coach, the most logical internal hires would be Billy McMillon or George Lombard. Probably McMillon, who is blocked by Kevin Boles at present in Pawtucket.
Or, if it's someone from outside the organization, someone that Dombrowski wants to bring in from the Tiger organization.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 5, 2015 12:21:54 GMT -5
I suppose that may be true, but what is the incentive for Lovullo to not interview this year? He still would probably get more money (I'm guessing here). I think they told him he's next in line if he stays and that it will be one more year at most if not sooner. Loyalty to the organization and Farrell, who he's known since they were teammates on the Angels in 1993? It isn't like he's a pitcher who'll blow his arm out and needs to cash in now. He's gotta do him, but I could understand if he felt that given the circumstances with Farrell's health that the right thing to do was stay for another year. Again, if the Red Sox job doesn't open up, there's no reason he can't get another gig next year. But for now, his friend has just finished treatment for lymphoma. Farrell and the team could wind up leaning on Lovullo heavily as something of an associate manager, depending on how things proceed. Even if the lymphoma is gone, Farrell may not be up for jumping right back into the grind fully. Since Gedman is a batting coach, and the Sox already have two batting coaches on their MLB staff returning next season, I doubt that they fired Beyeler to make room for him. I hope he stays at Pawtucket, but good luck to him to get a batting coach gig with another organization if that's his preference. Since Beyeler was also an outfield instructor as well as first-base coach, the most logical internal hires would be Billy McMillon or George Lombard. Probably McMillon, who is blocked by Kevin Boles at present in Pawtucket. Or, if it's someone from outside the organization, someone that Dombrowski wants to bring in from the Tiger organization. Just because Gedman has been a hitting coach in the minors doesn't mean he has to be a hitting coach in the majors. They'd be hiring him to be the first base coach - it's not like he'd be handling the pitchers or something. Does sort of create a vacuum with the outfield coaching spot, but I'm sure they'd have something in mind to deal with that.
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Post by jamesmcgillstatue on Oct 5, 2015 13:27:25 GMT -5
Well, Gedman seems to be a pretty good hitting coach. (Although maybe not as good as Victor Rodriguez.) Isn't he more valuable to the organization as the hitting coach in Pawtucket, or perhaps as roving minor league hitting coordinator? Was putting his name out there this past weekend as "wanting a promotion to the Show or maybe he'll leave the organization" one more example of Nick Cafardo using his column to carry water for his friends?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 5, 2015 15:48:36 GMT -5
I suppose that may be true, but what is the incentive for Lovullo to not interview this year? He still would probably get more money (I'm guessing here). I think they told him he's next in line if he stays and that it will be one more year at most if not sooner.I think you hit the nail right on the head here.
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