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Post by amfox1 on Nov 12, 2015 9:21:05 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 13s14 seconds ago Per @bradfo, Royals and Cubs interested in Jackie Bradley Jr., and one GM suggested a trade would be "selling high" on the center fielder.
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 17m17 minutes ago As much as Bradley helps Red Sox defensively, he might be a perfect example of a player who's more valuable to another team than to Boston.
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Bob DuttonVerified account @tnt_Mariners Nov 11 Possible #Mariners OF trade targets according to @ken_Rosenthal: John Jay, Peter Bourjos, Leonys Martin and Jackie Bradley.
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Seems to me that valuing JBJ is a difficult task, and neither KC nor CHC is chock-rich of starting pitchers. SEA actually may be the best fit, especially given Dipoto as GM. Trade thoughts?
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 12, 2015 9:45:23 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 13s14 seconds ago Per @bradfo, Royals and Cubs interested in Jackie Bradley Jr., and one GM suggested a trade would be "selling high" on the center fielder. Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 17m17 minutes ago As much as Bradley helps Red Sox defensively, he might be a perfect example of a player who's more valuable to another team than to Boston. *** Bob DuttonVerified account @tnt_Mariners Nov 11 Possible #Mariners OF trade targets according to @ken_Rosenthal: John Jay, Peter Bourjos, Leonys Martin and Jackie Bradley. *** Seems to me that valuing JBJ is a difficult task, and neither KC nor CHC is chock-rich of starting pitchers. SEA actually may be the best fit, especially given Dipoto as GM. Trade thoughts? It notes Seattle is also looking @ Brett Gardner for James Paxton....JBJ alone doesn't get Paxton.....I know he's young and controllable, but doesn't look much better than a #3 or #4...I don't see a fit there....JBJ + for Walker maybe.
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Post by rafael on Nov 12, 2015 10:06:20 GMT -5
Kyle Hendricks would be a nice upgrade to the rotation. Not sure how that would work, since the Cubs need some starting pitching as well. Maybe include Miley and get a RP and Coghlan?
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Post by nomar on Nov 12, 2015 10:18:10 GMT -5
I'll disagree and say JBJ is worth more than Paxton, who is already 27, had an off year, and hasn't stayed healthy at all.
I don't really see a fit with the Royals as they wont be trading Ventura, and he's the only guy on that roster who we'd have interest in.
The Cubs also have nothing presumably available that we need. I love Schwarber as a 1B, and he looked terrible in the OF during the playoffs, but I don't think they'll trade him, and we'd obviously have to give up a good amount more than just Bradley there.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 12, 2015 10:35:19 GMT -5
I'll disagree and say JBJ is worth more than Paxton, who is already 27, had an off year, and hasn't stayed healthy at all. I don't really see a fit with the Royals as they wont be trading Ventura, and he's the only guy on that roster who we'd have interest in. The Cubs also have nothing presumably available that we need. I love Schwarber as a 1B, and he looked terrible in the OF during the playoffs, but I don't think they'll trade him, and we'd obviously have to give up a good amount more than just Bradley there. Danny Duffy for JBJ?.... not a FA till 2018....Remember KC loses 2 starting OF's.
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Post by nomar on Nov 12, 2015 10:42:34 GMT -5
I'll disagree and say JBJ is worth more than Paxton, who is already 27, had an off year, and hasn't stayed healthy at all. I don't really see a fit with the Royals as they wont be trading Ventura, and he's the only guy on that roster who we'd have interest in. The Cubs also have nothing presumably available that we need. I love Schwarber as a 1B, and he looked terrible in the OF during the playoffs, but I don't think they'll trade him, and we'd obviously have to give up a good amount more than just Bradley there. Danny Duffy for JBJ?.... not a FA till 2018....Remember KC loses 2 starting OF's. Buchholz, Porcello, Rodriguez and Miley are all unquestionably better than Duffy. Joe Kelly is too in my opinion. There's zero use for Duffy on this team, whereas JBJ is a starting outfielder with a much higher ceiling.
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Post by jdb on Nov 12, 2015 10:51:14 GMT -5
I wonder what else you'd have to add for Walker? With Felix, Cano and Cruz they aren't rebuilding. I wonder if you add a Miley or Owens to replace him if that would be enough? Probay not due to Walkers upside. The Cubs are interesting bc if you can get a third team involved that needs a SS that opens some doors.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 12, 2015 11:12:47 GMT -5
I could see a three team deal with Bradley going to the Cubs, and prospect X, say Javier Baez goes to the White Sox together with Henry Owens for Quintana. Who says no?
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Post by kmcphill on Nov 12, 2015 11:13:49 GMT -5
I wonder what else you'd have to add for Walker? With Felix, Cano and Cruz they aren't rebuilding. I wonder if you add a Miley or Owens to replace him if that would be enough? Probay not due to Walkers upside. The Cubs are interesting bc if you can get a third team involved that needs a SS that opens some doors. I would think they'd want someone either with higher upside or a more proven track record than Owens, right? Just because Owens is probably not as good as Walker next year and does not have anywhere near the upside. So I suspect adding Owens alone wouldn't be enough. Miley, however, is potentially a decent fit (although I suspect you'd still have to add something else), as the Mariners lack rotation stability behind the King and Iwakuma-if-he-comes-back.
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Post by nomar on Nov 12, 2015 11:35:27 GMT -5
I could see a three team deal with Bradley going to the Cubs, and prospect X, say Javier Baez goes to the White Sox together with Henry Owens for Quintana. Who says no? Nice idea. I think Owens + Baez for Quintana is a fair deal too. Maybe we would have to add someone like Marrero as an option if Baez can't stick at SS or to give them a cost controlled utility player.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 12, 2015 13:32:12 GMT -5
Perhaps the Sox use JBJ as part of a deal with Cleveland to land Carrasco? Maybe something like JBJ plus one of Buchholz or Kelly. Maybe that would be the framework of a deal with the Indians? The Sox would sign a Chris Young or a stopgap OF until Margot is ready.
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Post by nomar on Nov 12, 2015 15:45:56 GMT -5
Perhaps the Sox use JBJ as part of a deal with Cleveland to land Carrasco? Maybe something like JBJ plus one of Buchholz or Kelly. Maybe that would be the framework of a deal with the Indians? The Sox would sign a Chris Young or a stopgap OF until Margot is ready. Going to take a lot more than that. Keith Law today suggested Swihart for Carrasco, then running with Vazquez. If CV is healthy, that's fine by me.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 12, 2015 17:45:20 GMT -5
Perhaps the Sox use JBJ as part of a deal with Cleveland to land Carrasco? Maybe something like JBJ plus one of Buchholz or Kelly. Maybe that would be the framework of a deal with the Indians? The Sox would sign a Chris Young or a stopgap OF until Margot is ready. Going to take a lot more than that. Keith Law today suggested Swihart for Carrasco, then running with Vazquez. If CV is healthy, that's fine by me. I didn't quite get that. Why does Cleveland covet Swihart so much with Yan Gomes signed long term? Gomes is essentially the guy you're hoping Swihart becomes.
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Post by gator39 on Nov 12, 2015 18:29:45 GMT -5
Gomes had a terrible year this year
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 12, 2015 20:53:13 GMT -5
Perhaps the Sox use JBJ as part of a deal with Cleveland to land Carrasco? Maybe something like JBJ plus one of Buchholz or Kelly. Maybe that would be the framework of a deal with the Indians? The Sox would sign a Chris Young or a stopgap OF until Margot is ready. Going to take a lot more than that. Keith Law today suggested Swihart for Carrasco, then running with Vazquez. If CV is healthy, that's fine by me. It will, but if it takes Swihart I won't do it. If it's Vazquez they want, then sure. I'm in the minority but I like Swihart's hit tool alot and think his rookie year was just the tip of the iceberg and I think in time he will be the superior all around player. I think Vazquez will hit somewhat and will be better defensively of course, but with Vazquez's health still in question, I doubt the Sox will deal Swihart (at least I hope they don't). Perhaps Shaw (for 3b) might be something the Indians would be interested in, in addition to Bradley and Buchholz/Kelly.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 13, 2015 2:35:43 GMT -5
Gomes had a terrible year this year Dude was injured and had a 4.5 WAR in 2014 lol. Come on. He's also signed to a 4-6 year deal. I don't think they're suddenly running from Yan Gomes.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 13, 2015 9:50:19 GMT -5
Perhaps the Sox use JBJ as part of a deal with Cleveland to land Carrasco? Maybe something like JBJ plus one of Buchholz or Kelly. Maybe that would be the framework of a deal with the Indians? The Sox would sign a Chris Young or a stopgap OF until Margot is ready. Going to take a lot more than that. Keith Law today suggested Swihart for Carrasco, then running with Vazquez. If CV is healthy, that's fine by me. I'm surprised so many people say IF CV comes back healthy.....I know his arm is his most valuable asset, but how many pitchers come back from TJ?.....Plus, they have to throw 100 pitches a games usually 90+ mph (throwing curves, splits, sliders, ect)....a catcher has to throw, what 4 or 5 fastballs to 2B or 3B per game. I believe we can assume he will be OK. If we wait till May or June, we may either be 8 games back & we have missed out on that #1 from day one by not trading Swihart.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 13, 2015 10:01:56 GMT -5
You don't assume he's going to be healthy and deal a guy like Swihart. It's a huge risk, especially when Vazquez still needed to prove himself with the bat. His bat was already fringe MLB worthy and he lost a full year of playing and development and the injury could affect how it performed. I'm concerned about him with the bat in his hands not behind the plate.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 13, 2015 11:15:47 GMT -5
You don't assume he's going to be healthy and deal a guy like Swihart. It's a huge risk, especially when Vazquez still needed to prove himself with the bat. His bat was already fringe MLB worthy and he lost a full year of playing and development and the injury could affect how it performed. I'm concerned about him with the bat in his hands not behind the plate. Good point with the offense side of TJ.....I know Teagarden & Weiters are the only 2 catchers to have it that I know of....Shin-Soo Choo had it & his offense is OK.....Roberto Alomar was ok as well......I just don't see his offense being altered too drastically. He was never going to hit .300...Prob a lifetime .240 to .250 hitter either way.
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Post by nomar on Nov 13, 2015 11:36:19 GMT -5
Miguel Sano is still managing to hit balls pretty hard.
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Post by Sox Mojo Rising on Nov 13, 2015 11:43:30 GMT -5
I hope that Dombrowski recognizes (better than us sometimes impatient fans) that with a little adjustment time at each level, Bradley has hit at every level of the minors and players with that type of profile usually succeed at the MLB level even if it takes a couple of years to settle in. Very few players make the immediate impact and then sustain it like Betts has... I really think JBJ is on the trajectory to be a star. Yes, his extended droughts are a concern, but I am confident he will figure it out and will well surpass our .250 threshhold in'16 that has been bandied about for 2 years and keep up the amazing defense.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 13, 2015 12:40:40 GMT -5
I really like JBJ and Swihart, but if we can get a true #1 by including them with a few prospects, we should absolutely consider it.
Swihart along with Joe Kelly, Henry Owens and Margot for Chris Sale would be fine by me.
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Post by Sirhizz on Nov 13, 2015 13:34:45 GMT -5
I really like JBJ and Swihart, but if we can get a true #1 by including them with a few prospects, we should absolutely consider it. Swihart along with Joe Kelly, Henry Owens and Margot for Chris Sale would be fine by me. I think everyone would except the Wsox unfortunately. Sale is under control almost as long as BS plus the money is extremely team friendly for a true ace. Chicago is also expecting to contend I imagine. A realistic trade would likely look like this if you ask me: Moncada, Devers/Swihart and Owens/Johnson/Kopech for Sale.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 13, 2015 15:05:12 GMT -5
I really like JBJ and Swihart, but if we can get a true #1 by including them with a few prospects, we should absolutely consider it. Swihart along with Joe Kelly, Henry Owens and Margot for Chris Sale would be fine by me. I know Sale is good, but dang......I'd give Swihart & their choice of Miley, Owens, or Kelly,.....That said, I know they wouldn't do that, so I don't see a deal there.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 13, 2015 15:42:23 GMT -5
I really like JBJ and Swihart, but if we can get a true #1 by including them with a few prospects, we should absolutely consider it. Swihart along with Joe Kelly, Henry Owens and Margot for Chris Sale would be fine by me. I know Sale is good, but dang......I'd give Swihart & their choice of Miley, Owens, or Kelly,.....That said, I know they wouldn't do that, so I don't see a deal there. With all that has been said, I'm in minority of letting Swihart and Vazquez have a full year of improving their stock. Christian needs to show he is healthy and, at least, what he was.....and Blake needs to show everyone he has the ability to become a solid defensive catcher. NEITHER should be traded! I totally believe some of you are really not understanding what we have with young Blake Swihart. You don't.....you DON"T trade a catcher with his athletic ability and offensive potential. I truly believe we will be much better next season, but I'm fine with us exploding in 2017. Some of you want it all to happen immediately and are prepared to trade anyone for a quick fix. Boy I hope Dombrowski is not into quick and temporary fixes. By the winter of 2016, Vazquez will probably be 100% and will alleviate all of the other teams' concerns to whether he can be counted on to lead their staff and catch for 130+ games. He is a valuable chip, but probably not until the middle of next summer. Swihart is going to be very good. The only question is HOW good. I would bet anyone, after pushing him this last year to lead a staff in the majors before he was even ready, he will be much MUCH better! Those of you thinking he will not even be adequate are wrong. He has the arm, the work ethic, and the ability to be a PLUS catcher.....and you want to consider throwing him to any deal that fits your fancy. Smarten up! When the White Sox have another terrible year next year, the White Sox will be much more inclined to move one Chris Sale. And that trade will be without us losing a very unique talent like Swihart. I know it is difficult for you and myself to be patient, but that is a better direction to take than believing we have to win next season. And before I forget, Dave Dombrowski......please don't even consider giving too much for a reliever like Chapman unless he signs an extension.
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