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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 12, 2012 21:51:23 GMT -5
My guess is that this will up the ante for Swisher. The Sox outbid the Indians (as far as annual value goes) for Victorino, so now the Indians REALLY want Swisher, but the Sox as they stand, need LH hitting OF help unless they're sold on Kalish or Nava, so the Sox will now have to outbid Cleveland again, but in a way they unintentionally may have raised the price on Swisher (doubt Cleveland would be bidding on him if they got Victorino). I can see Swisher getting 4 years $65 million - $70 million - and it wouldn't surprise me if the Sox landed him because I think with Upton and Greinke falling thru, the Rangers will have to give Hamilton 4 years.
I keep telling myself that next year is a weak draft class and that it's ok to give up the draft pick and the associated $ value and pay a ton for Swisher, but honestly, I don't think the Sox should make that move unless they're willing to give Hamilton 4 years. I have trouble accepting this kind of price for Swisher even if he's much better than what they have right now.
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Post by buffs4444 on Dec 13, 2012 14:35:32 GMT -5
Hamilton off the board to the Angels.....do they overpay Swisher or just finally admit this is a rebuilding year (again)? It would be hard to qualify this not as a rebuilding year, I'm struggling to name a team in the AL East that they are better than at this point....
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Post by elguapo on Dec 13, 2012 14:44:18 GMT -5
Why would the Sox go through the offseason trying to avoid giving up the draft pick only to cough it up for Nick Swisher in the end? Seems unlikely.
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Post by jmei on Dec 13, 2012 14:46:53 GMT -5
If the Red Sox sign Dempster, very much doubt they sign Swisher unless they also trade Ellsbury.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 13, 2012 15:10:40 GMT -5
People just want a "big" signing or trade so they can say "see they are competing." The season hasn't even started we'll see where they are by July and then they may pounce on a better option than are available right now. The season is 162 games long so where they are in spring training is the least of my worries.
If they are rebuilding good for them thats what they needed to do and they don't need to say it because the purpose is always winning even when you are rebuilding.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 13, 2012 15:58:50 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe Swisher, I've been told, has never viewed Boston as a likely landing spot.
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Post by nexus on Dec 13, 2012 16:11:18 GMT -5
Hamilton off the board to the Angels.....do they overpay Swisher or just finally admit this is a rebuilding year (again) ? It would be hard to qualify this not as a rebuilding year, I'm struggling to name a team in the AL East that they are better than at this point.... When were the other rebuilding years again? I keep losing track.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 13, 2012 16:16:42 GMT -5
Hamilton off the board to the Angels.....do they overpay Swisher or just finally admit this is a rebuilding year (again) ? It would be hard to qualify this not as a rebuilding year, I'm struggling to name a team in the AL East that they are better than at this point.... When were the other rebuilding years again? I keep losing track. you dont remember the last time theo said it was a bridge year, and the shitstorm that enused with the media and fans?
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Post by buffs4444 on Dec 13, 2012 16:24:17 GMT -5
When were the other rebuilding years again? I keep losing track. you dont remember the last time theo said it was a bridge year, and the shitstorm that enused with the media and fans? exactly. the transition from Theo to BC-LL simply led to me using the normal industry term.
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Post by nexus on Dec 13, 2012 16:57:42 GMT -5
Sorry buffs, but not signing Hamilton to a bad contract doesn't mean this season is officially a bridge year. It's as if some posters have learned absolutely nothing from the Crawford contract. Nothing.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 13, 2012 17:41:37 GMT -5
Sorry buffs, but not signing Hamilton to a bad contract doesn't mean this season is officially a bridge year. It's as if some posters have learned absolutely nothing from the Crawford contract. Nothing. Agree. Sox walked the walk. Good for them for holding ground and sticking with their plan.
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Post by buffs4444 on Dec 13, 2012 17:46:22 GMT -5
Sorry buffs, but not signing Hamilton to a bad contract doesn't mean this season is officially a bridge year. It's as if some posters have learned absolutely nothing from the Crawford contract. Nothing. ....learned that 5-6WAR players get hurt? Pretty sure "some posters" already had that one.
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Post by nexus on Dec 14, 2012 16:24:19 GMT -5
Sorry buffs, but not signing Hamilton to a bad contract doesn't mean this season is officially a bridge year. It's as if some posters have learned absolutely nothing from the Crawford contract. Nothing. ....learned that 5-6WAR players get hurt? Learned almost every FA who's reached the open market and signed a $90M+ contract has come nowhere close to being a good value. The only exceptions are Manny and then 25 year old Arod (1st contract only). Fangraphs would argue Manny's defense made him far less valuable, but I'll give his sustained .415+ wOBA bat a pass.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 14, 2012 16:34:39 GMT -5
Given the strategy that appears to be on display this off-season I can't see the front office giving up a draft pick in the package to sign Swisher unless they somehow think he can be the difference between them making the playoffs or not this year. The only caveat to this (I think) is if the Napoli deal crumbles. A shorter length deal (2-3 yrs) could negate the loss of the draft pick but Swisher's camp seems confident so far that he'll get in excess of 4 years.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Dec 15, 2012 12:19:53 GMT -5
I don't see why people are are getting soo hung up on the possibility of losing a draft pick if we sign Swisher. A fiftieth overall pick is valuable, and so is the 1 million dollors of slot resources, but if we look at how the Sox drafted last year and how the league in general did as well we see that very few players recieved offers substantially lower than their slot.
All that is to say that if we sign Swisher we are at worst losing a second round pick and maybe $200,000. We are not losing both the pick and a whole million more to sign other draftees.
And lastly, if we sign Swisher, Damon is likely out of here. After seeing the prospects traded for Choo and Span as well as the contracts given to Upton, Victorino, and Bourne I think it is safe to say that he nets us a return worth much more than the fiftieth overall pick in a weak draft year.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 15, 2012 12:36:45 GMT -5
That million dollars lost is substantial because you can take someone there for well under slot and then spread the money around. With the the bonus pool system a million dollars is A LOT it could affect the signing of 3-4 players.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Dec 15, 2012 12:46:35 GMT -5
Wow, really. Did you not even read past the first sentence?
How many players in the first 3 rounds in last years draft got deals signifigantly lower than their slot? How did the Red Sox draft show that strategy?
To repeat, we would lose the second round pick and maybe $200,000 that could be spread around. That is not a sufficient reason to not sign a guy.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 15, 2012 14:07:06 GMT -5
And lastly, if we sign Swisher, Damon is likely out of here. I think that ship sailed a long time ago actually.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 15, 2012 16:11:04 GMT -5
And lastly, if we sign Swisher, Damon is likely out of here. I think that ship sailed a long time ago actually....only to be replaced by a newer model that breaks down a little more often. Is it time for a trade-in?
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 15, 2012 20:00:28 GMT -5
Damon?
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