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Post by jmei on Jan 28, 2016 9:14:28 GMT -5
But his bat looks more and more average as he progresses. At this point I see him as a .260/.330/.400 type hitter in the majors and while that is not a bad baseball player, especially when you combine that with the 40 SB potential and very good defense. I still don't see how you make him a top 15 prospect. That line makes him a slightly worse Jacoby Ellsbury. That's a super valuable player. |
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Post by nomar on Jan 28, 2016 9:36:01 GMT -5
Stop fighting the dead ball era. Let it wash over you.
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Post by dd on Jan 28, 2016 9:57:49 GMT -5
What jumped out at me on this list was the disparity between leagues.
# prospects - team
7 - Rockies
6 - Dodgers, Pirates, Phillies, Braves, Cubs
5 - Rangers, Red Sox, Reds, Rays, Astros
2/3 of the top 51 are NL prospects. Every division in the NL has more prospects listed than any division in the AL.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 28, 2016 9:59:24 GMT -5
Guys, can we please not rehash the Margot-Benintendi-Guerra, etc. discussion again? Fine to note the relative rankings in the context of the pages-long discussion that's already occurred on this topic, but let's not launch full bore into it for like the third or fourth time this offseason.
Fine to talk about things based on the new information, but let's not get back into points that have been beaten to death. Thanks.
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Post by radiohix on Jan 28, 2016 15:55:52 GMT -5
Paternostro, wasn't he the prospects guy at Amazin' Avenue (The NYM SB nation blog)?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jan 28, 2016 17:07:12 GMT -5
Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but you know whose swing Devers kind of reminds me of? Darryl Strawberry. You know, usual caveats that I'm not saying he'll be Darryl Strawberry or that they're the same player, but it's just kind of superficially similar, with the same bat wave at the shoulder I remember Strawberry having and the same whip through the zone.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 28, 2016 17:45:33 GMT -5
Benintendi seems way too low on this list. This guy is a easy 20/20 guy in the majors in my eyes. This "undersized" kid has enough power for even deep rf Fenway. He hits bombs. There's a case to be made that Benintendi is the second or first best prospect in this system. He at this time has the most present game power out of anyone, that includes Devers huge body and Moncada's huge muscles.
The fact that people around baseball don't see Benintendi as a top 25 prospect is a joke to me. I can't find one bad tool about this guy. His overall game makes him a lock to be a very good solid player if not a all-star. Aka left handed Mookie.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 28, 2016 17:48:17 GMT -5
There was also a case to be made that some teams could of picked Benintendi before number 7 overall in the draft, most teams didn't have a good scouting report on him because they didn't know he was a draft eligible sophomore.
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Post by 0ap0 on Jan 29, 2016 15:43:53 GMT -5
Nobody is an easy 20/20 guy in the majors.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 29, 2016 17:16:04 GMT -5
Nobody is an easy 20/20 guy in the majors. You don't think he's easily Paul Goldschmidt, Ryan Braun, Manny Machado, or A.J. Pollock? |
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Post by slam761 on Jan 29, 2016 18:06:17 GMT -5
So BP puts Margot 14 overall, but MLB prospect pipeline doesn't even have him in the top 10 OF prospects.
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Post by nomar on Jan 29, 2016 18:49:19 GMT -5
Nobody is an easy 20/20 guy in the majors. You don't think he's easily Paul Goldschmidt, Ryan Braun, Manny Machado, or A.J. Pollock? Not to mention that there's only a fair chance all those guys steal 20 bases this year |
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 29, 2016 20:30:20 GMT -5
Nobody is an easy 20/20 guy in the majors. Mookie is a easy 20/20 guy soon. |
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Post by jmei on Jan 29, 2016 22:03:18 GMT -5
I'd take the under on 20 home runs (though not by much).
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Post by gerry on Jan 30, 2016 17:26:15 GMT -5
I'd take the under on 20 home runs (though not by much). Based on the end of 2015, Papi's retirement, and rebounds by several bats, we may just see more of a HR culture this year. Mookie will certainly take his leadoff position role seriously, but he will mash if he gets his pitch. We know Papi, Hanley and Panda will go for it, and so might Castillo, JBJ, Shaw, Young. Within such a culture Mookie, Pedey and XB are prime candidates to shoot for a 20/20 year. Not all will make it, but I would take the over on a comfortable, fully adjusted Mookie, on a team with power and hustle, doing it. Something to look forward to. |
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Post by telson13 on Jan 30, 2016 19:34:01 GMT -5
Even though Mookie hit 18 bombs last year, I don't see that as an assurance he'll be over 20 this year. I could see him selling out some power for average/OBP and ending up hitting .330/.400 but with high-teens HR again. Or, he may just give us more of last year (or worse, although I find it unlikely that he won't improve). Expecting 20+ HR out of a guy who's 5'8" and probably 165 lbs isn't unrealistic, but it's still a tall order.
I also still think Benintendi got the short-shrift by a good 15-20 spots on this list.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 30, 2016 21:32:52 GMT -5
The thread is a good one, and that is the relevant question. Let's see how his approach matures. He (Betts) is such a natural with that bat speed, that reining that in and going the other way will have to be a conscious decision on his part. That will probably be something he has to consider, since we're certainly not the only ones who've noticed what he does to pitches on the inner half. He's going to get tested a lot on the outer part, probably low and away. Those pitches will either have to carry deception, or be very hard stuff, since he can barrel up a lot of pitches, though often with weaker contact which, I believe, led to those lazy fly balls jmei has highlighted.
When that happens, that's the opening to invert his swing and slash stuff the other way. Let's see if he takes that opening. If not, then it's unlikely he hits 20+ home runs. But, if he can gain control of that outer part, pitchers will then have to try to finesse him with stuff just off the plate. That's the last piece of the puzzle, the walks. If he gets to that point, he's in perennial all-star territory.
All of it should be fun to watch.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jan 30, 2016 22:00:28 GMT -5
Not sure why so much importance is being put on 20/ 20 with Mookie. I'd be happier with 15/30, a higher obp, and continued great D.
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Post by larrycook on Jan 31, 2016 1:52:09 GMT -5
Benintendi seems way too low on this list. This guy is a easy 20/20 guy in the majors in my eyes. This "undersized" kid has enough power for even deep rf Fenway. He hits bombs. There's a case to be made that Benintendi is the second or first best prospect in this system. He at this time has the most present game power out of anyone, that includes Devers huge body and Moncada's huge muscles. The fact that people around baseball don't see Benintendi as a top 25 prospect is a joke to me. I can't find one bad tool about this guy. His overall game makes him a lock to be a very good solid player if not a all-star. Aka left handed Mookie. You absolutely have to love the way he attacks each at bat. And for a guy as small as he is, to generate so much core strength in his swing is very impressive. Except for Espinoza, I think ab is the prospect with the most upside in the organization. |
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Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 31, 2016 5:23:15 GMT -5
Not sure why so much importance is being put on 20/ 20 with Mookie. I'd be happier with 15/30, a higher obp, and continued great D. Yeah that would be awesome, especially out of the leadoff spot. That being said, he'll have the most at bats leading off and he'll have the most chances to square up the ball. He has yet to fill out as a player I think. Mookie can still gain another 10-15 pounds somewhere in that small frame of his. |
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Post by proudtoserve on Jan 31, 2016 6:46:11 GMT -5
The thread is a good one, and that is the relevant question. Let's see how his approach matures. He (Betts) is such a natural with that bat speed, that reining that in and going the other way will have to be a conscious decision on his part. That will probably be something he has to consider, since we're certainly not the only ones who've noticed what he does to pitches on the inner half. He's going to get tested a lot on the outer part, probably low and away. Those pitches will either have to carry deception, or be very hard stuff, since he can barrel up a lot of pitches, though often with weaker contact which, I believe, led to those lazy fly balls jmei has highlighted. When that happens, that's the opening to invert his swing and slash stuff the other way. Let's see if he takes that opening. If not, then it's unlikely he hits 20+ home runs. But, if he can gain control of that outer part, pitchers will then have to try to finesse him with stuff just off the plate. That's the last piece of the puzzle, the walks. If he gets to that point, he's in perennial all-star territory. All of it should be fun to watch.
Nice thread, I agree....
Not sure this is a Mookie progression or adjustment we should be thinking (concerned) about, as you are probably a step or two ahead on what Mookie might expect, so I have highlighted.....and correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Xander face the same pull tendency in late '13, then full year '14, only to surprise us with fighting off second strike "outer part, low and away" pitches?
It was fun watching game action on Xander with 2 strikes, because everyone knew what was coming and he either protected foul, or spanked to right-center....
Hope Mookie can make that same adjustment, it will be fun to watch....
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 31, 2016 7:48:30 GMT -5
It's interesting, if you look deeply into Mookie's thread you will see several comments while he was at Portland commending his ability to take low outside edge pitches to right field with authority.
I specifically remember his taking apart Marcus Stroman with that approach in a game at Manchester. Several times, he looked at the first one paining the outside corner than smoked screamers down the line and to right center when the pitcher repeated the offering. It caught my attention and noticed his doing that several times afterwards.
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Post by proudtoserve on Jan 31, 2016 8:09:43 GMT -5
That obviously would be a delight to see.....
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Post by proudtoserve on Jan 31, 2016 8:32:32 GMT -5
Not sure why so much importance is being put on 20/ 20 with Mookie. I'd be happier with 15/30, a higher obp, and continued great D.
Apologies, bad me,,,,,,,i agree with Ray...
Mods can spank Ray and I on this one....
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 31, 2016 11:06:00 GMT -5
That obviously would be a delight to see..... Here's an example from a game at New Britton. www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=32037069Afterwards, I commented on that video as follows:
On the video shown about three pages ago that people were impressed, the AB was actually even more impressive. The pitch before that pitch was pretty much the same low and away breaking ball but the count was 2-1 so, Mookie was probably looking fastball and didn't take a swing at it for a called strike. Now with the count 2-2, he was ready for that pitch and drove it so hard that the ball speed was the only thing that kept that from being a triple.LOL, does anyone remember this ?  |
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