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Post by larrycook on May 29, 2016 21:59:16 GMT -5
I am not sure about ockimey's hit tool.
His swing is all over the place, not sure how that would translate at the higher levels.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 2, 2016 9:37:07 GMT -5
I'm just seeing this now on his player bio:
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 2, 2016 14:53:07 GMT -5
I'm just seeing this now on his player bio: Was added last night is why. Reported by Speier I think, recently.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 2, 2016 15:11:21 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Jun 2, 2016 15:20:35 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Jul 15, 2016 16:53:49 GMT -5
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Post by bnich on Jul 16, 2016 8:12:21 GMT -5
I know he isn't quite as big and tall, but does anyone else hope this kid could be a "baby" Big Papi?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 16, 2016 15:52:26 GMT -5
So the neuro testing foretold he'd be smart enough to figure out he needed glasses to see?
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 17, 2016 8:45:10 GMT -5
So the neuro testing foretold he'd be smart enough to figure out he needed glasses to see? Too bad they didn't run that test on Middlebrooks.
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Post by SALNotes on Aug 19, 2016 15:01:13 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Aug 19, 2016 15:07:03 GMT -5
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Post by azblue on Aug 19, 2016 17:20:46 GMT -5
One thought would be for Ockimey to have an extensive eye exam.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 19, 2016 17:58:57 GMT -5
The kid is rated 9 on the prospects list. Even with a 236 ba he has a high obp. How does that equate to the bigs against top line pitching. Does not look like a big time prospect to me. BUT, I do always get the data stuff right.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 20, 2016 4:41:55 GMT -5
The kid is rated 9 on the prospects list. Even with a 236 ba he has a high obp. How does that equate to the bigs against top line pitching. Does not look like a big time prospect to me. BUT, I do always get the data stuff right. Sorry correction, I do not get the data right. I try but I am old time baseball and struggle with some of the concepts, especially minor league forecasting.
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Post by adamoraz on Aug 20, 2016 11:33:47 GMT -5
I think he broke into the top 10 with a really strong first half. He's fallen off a lot over the last month, so he might not be ranked 9th for long. He's still really talented though so hopefully he can turn it around.
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Post by Costigan on Aug 20, 2016 11:58:40 GMT -5
This is also Ockimey's first full season. He could be dealing with fatigue during the final stretch.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Aug 20, 2016 16:42:59 GMT -5
I know he isn't quite as big and tall, but does anyone else hope this kid could be a "baby" Big Papi? or Little Papi?.....Baby Papi?
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Post by ramireja on Aug 31, 2017 13:17:21 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Dec 28, 2017 13:21:57 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Jun 11, 2018 9:21:57 GMT -5
I was checking Ockimey's stat page on Fangraphs and found this interesting: Since he started playing full season ball, his strikeout rate remained the same while advancing levels * 25.9% in Greenville * 25.9% in Salem * 26.7% in Portland (2 seasons combined) Usually prospects see their K% creep up as they move to the upper levels which is logical considering that they face pitchers with better stuff and more seasoned game plans, but it's not been the case for JO and when you consider the fact that he's slashing .312/.431/.578 vs RHP with a very solid 25/35 BB/K, you wonder if he has a future as a strong platoon 1st Baseman for the Sox. We know he has a good eye at the plate (His 15.2% BB rate is 4th in the Eastern League), the game power is starting to show up (.210 IsoP is his highest career mark) and as I mentioned earlier, he seems to keep his contact issues under control. Thoughts?
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 11, 2018 10:01:51 GMT -5
Good bump. Ockimey kind of flies under the radar to some extent, and I like him. The fact his walk and strikeout rates have stayed consistent says to me that it's more than just approach. Sometimes guys can succeed in the lower minors being overly passive, but get exposed in the higher minors, and that's not happening with him. Like you said, the power showing up in game is the key - since he's a (currently) below average defensive 1B type who is really, really slow, he needs to provide as much with the bat as he can to be a productive player. He's not someone who can hit something like .245/.350/.430 and help. But the power is gradually improving, and not at the expense of his approach - he's not selling out, or at least not in a way that's showing up on his stat line.
He moved ahead of Travis on the rankings this month, I'm pretty sure for the first time, and that feels about right, doesn't it? With Travis, there's a lot of wishing at this point that the mechanical adjustments have a real effect, whereas with Ockimey, the gradual improvement kind of indicates the perfect-world path.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jun 11, 2018 10:02:20 GMT -5
I was checking Ockimey's stat page on Fangraphs and found this interesting: Since he started playing full season ball, his strikeout rate remained the same while advancing levels * 25.9% in Greenville * 25.9% in Salem * 26.7% in Portland (2 seasons combined) Usually prospects see their K% creep up as they move to the upper levels which is logical considering that they face pitchers with better stuff and more seasoned game plans, but it's not been the case for JO and when you consider the fact that he's slashing .312/.431/.578 vs RHP with a very solid 25/35 BB/K, you wonder if he has a future as a strong platoon 1st Baseman for the Sox. We know he has a good eye at the plate (His 15.2% BB rate is 4th in the Eastern League), the game power is starting to show up (.210 IsoP is his highest career mark) and as I mentioned earlier, he seems to keep his contact issues under control. Thoughts? I would only counter with...as opposed to the between levels, It feels like the jump from AAA and especially from AA to the majors is where the k rate kicks the most. I liked your find though, that is interesting, and it bodes well showing the kind of improvement/kraftwerk we all love to see. Wouldn't it be something if he could get to the club and still strike out 25% of the time?
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Post by telson13 on Jun 11, 2018 10:31:28 GMT -5
Good bump. Ockimey kind of flies under the radar to some extent, and I like him. The fact his walk and strikeout rates have stayed consistent says to me that it's more than just approach. Sometimes guys can succeed in the lower minors being overly passive, but get exposed in the higher minors, and that's not happening with him. Like you said, the power showing up in game is the key - since he's a (currently) below average defensive 1B type who is really, really slow, he needs to provide as much with the bat as he can to be a productive player. He's not someone who can hit something like .245/.350/.430 and help. But the power is gradually improving, and not at the expense of his approach - he's not selling out, or at least not in a way that's showing up on his stat line. He moved ahead of Travis on the rankings this month, I'm pretty sure for the first time, and that feels about right, doesn't it? With Travis, there's a lot of wishing at this point that the mechanical adjustments have a real effect, whereas with Ockimey, the gradual improvement kind of indicates the perfect-world path. I wrote about him on one of the recent gameday threads, and I’m in complete agreement with you here. His line this year is almost identical to last year, with the exception of a big bump in IsoP. His IsoD and K rate haven’t changed a lick, and his average has stayed passable if not good. It’s easy to forget he’s still only 22, and on the youngish side for AA. That says a lot given how raw he was coming into the system. I really like him a lot; I think it’s obviously unlikely he’s ever a star, but given the juiciness of the MLB ball, the quality of the Sox lineup, and the need at first base, I think he’s a terrific guy to have in the system. I could easily see him bump to AAA around early August. If he can provide passable (avg/fringe avg., vs straight fringy or fringe/below) defense at 1b, and provide real power, he’s basically Moreland with more power/higher OBP, at essentially $4.5M AAV savings. Continued development (settling in at .245-.255/.350-.360/.500-.525) would make him a valuable starter or a truly fantastic platoon player (assuming he’s more likely to go .280/.380/.550 in a platoon). I think guys like Ockimey are going to be the key for this team’s mid-term future. Enough solid, cheap talent will allow them a little salary flexibility and some creative extensions.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 13, 2018 9:51:58 GMT -5
So Ockimey is creeping up on a .400 OBP and .500 SLG as a 22-year-old in the Eastern League.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 13, 2018 9:58:42 GMT -5
So Ockimey is creeping up on a .400 OBP and .500 SLG as a 22-year-old in the Eastern League. Glad to see he's hitting well lately (.400/.500/.667 in his last 9). He'd been in a brutal 2 for 37 stretch, albeit with 13 walks, in which he hadn't had a single hit fall in (the two hits were homers). Even with a 34% K rate in that stretch, that's unreal BABIP luck. Was at .294/.394/.514 on June 16 and that stretch torpedoed his line to .252/.376/.463 on the 29th (which isn't even that awful, really).
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