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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 21, 2016 16:36:57 GMT -5
Ok. I'm glad you guys know so much about this. You're not correct, but I'm done trying to convince people who have already made up their minds. Raft go look up the article about Sandoval and his former trainer. Sandoval went home gained 21 pounds in 21 days right before signing his contract extension with Giants years ago. Agent and trainer wouldn't let Giants see him until after he lost the weight. Sandoval has a eating disorder, he just can't stop eating even with millions of dollars are on the line. If he loses weight he will become a lot better player. When he's overweight he's a good player, but when he's flat out fat he just can't move well enough. Makes me wonder what type of player he could have been if he was in shape for his career. If I'm Sox I try to talk him into that surgery were they strink your stomach. Maybe by next year he can give us something.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 21, 2016 21:01:50 GMT -5
Ok. I'm glad you guys know so much about this. You're not correct, but I'm done trying to convince people who have already made up their minds. Raft go look up the article about Sandoval and his former trainer. Sandoval went home gained 21 pounds in 21 days right before signing his contract extension with Giants years ago. Agent and trainer wouldn't let Giants see him until after he lost the weight. Sandoval has a eating disorder, he just can't stop eating even with millions of dollars are on the line. If he loses weight he will become a lot better player. When he's overweight he's a good player, but when he's flat out fat he just can't move well enough. Makes me wonder what type of player he could have been if he was in shape for his career. If I'm Sox I try to talk him into that surgery were they strink your stomach. Maybe by next year he can give us something. Failure rates on gastric banding (regaining the weight) are high, especially for patients who aren't able to lose significant weight beforehand. In fact, patients undergo pretty extensive pre-surgical counseling and are asked to lose about 5-10% of body weight beforehand. I'm doubtful that it would solve the issue for him. It is a lot safer than the old gastric bypass surgeries, and the success rates are higher, but it's far from a guarantee.
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Post by mobaz on Apr 22, 2016 8:13:17 GMT -5
Raft go look up the article about Sandoval and his former trainer. Sandoval went home gained 21 pounds in 21 days right before signing his contract extension with Giants years ago. Agent and trainer wouldn't let Giants see him until after he lost the weight. Sandoval has a eating disorder, he just can't stop eating even with millions of dollars are on the line. If he loses weight he will become a lot better player. When he's overweight he's a good player, but when he's flat out fat he just can't move well enough. Makes me wonder what type of player he could have been if he was in shape for his career. If I'm Sox I try to talk him into that surgery were they strink your stomach. Maybe by next year he can give us something. Failure rates on gastric banding (regaining the weight) are high, especially for patients who aren't able to lose significant weight beforehand. In fact, patients undergo pretty extensive pre-surgical counseling and are asked to lose about 5-10% of body weight beforehand. I'm doubtful that it would solve the issue for him. It is a lot safer than the old gastric bypass surgeries, and the success rates are higher, but it's far from a guarantee. Do you know if it comes with any restrictions on running/jumping/diving/twisting type movements that come so often with baseball? Not knowing what they actually do now, I'd worry about long-term viability of the procedure given everything a 3rd baseman needs to do.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 22, 2016 9:20:25 GMT -5
Failure rates on gastric banding (regaining the weight) are high, especially for patients who aren't able to lose significant weight beforehand. In fact, patients undergo pretty extensive pre-surgical counseling and are asked to lose about 5-10% of body weight beforehand. I'm doubtful that it would solve the issue for him. It is a lot safer than the old gastric bypass surgeries, and the success rates are higher, but it's far from a guarantee. Do you know if it comes with any restrictions on running/jumping/diving/twisting type movements that come so often with baseball? Not knowing what they actually do now, I'd worry about long-term viability of the procedure given everything a 3rd baseman needs to do. There aren't any restrictions. Surgeons love it when their patients are active after...it increases success rates. The major issue is patients wanting to eat, and eventually adapting to the band and still eating too much. Sandoval is probably a lost cause at this point, as far as the baseball field goes. Who knows how/when he'll make a change in his eating habits.
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Post by mattpicard on May 2, 2016 18:37:20 GMT -5
Too bad he's hurt and needs surgery, but otherwise this is pretty much the best case scenario for the Sox. Imagine if he got a clean bill of health? Not that he'd suddenly start playing over Shaw or anything, but would be an awkward situation.
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Post by mgoetze on May 2, 2016 19:00:58 GMT -5
Too bad he's hurt and needs surgery, but otherwise this is pretty much the best case scenario for the Sox. Yeah can put him on the 60-day and clear up a 40-man spot now.
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Post by stevedillard on May 2, 2016 19:04:45 GMT -5
Too bad he's hurt and needs surgery, but otherwise this is pretty much the best case scenario for the Sox. Yeah can put him on the 60-day and clear up a 40-man spot the insurance claim now. fixed it for you (hopefully).
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Post by nomar on May 2, 2016 19:27:33 GMT -5
This is seriously going to hurt his vigorous gym schedule
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Post by grandsalami on May 2, 2016 20:01:29 GMT -5
“@peteabe: Told by a source Sandoval faces “significant” surgery and a lengthy rehab. Odds against him playing this season. More known post-surgery”
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Post by malynn19 on May 2, 2016 20:01:38 GMT -5
This is seriously going to hurt his vigorous gym schedule LMAO
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 2, 2016 20:26:18 GMT -5
“@peteabe: Told by a source Sandoval faces “significant” surgery and a lengthy rehab. Odds against him playing this season. More known post-surgery” I guess the Ferrari will have to stay parked in the garage. What a wonderfully well timed injury for the Red Sox. If the Sox had to have a significant injury this was the guy to have it and this is the time to have it. He can take all the time he needs to rehab, even if it takes another 3 years.
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Post by dnfl333 on May 2, 2016 21:06:12 GMT -5
Sandoval? Let's not sugar coat it. Bust!
In retrospect, yes a bad deal by Boston. In the same breathe this player should have been ready to play. What he showed last season and this spring is a total disrespect to the Organization and the Fans of Boston Redsox baseball.
Good riddance!
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 2, 2016 21:16:40 GMT -5
He prolly got hurt lifting.
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Post by mredsox89 on May 2, 2016 21:17:40 GMT -5
ESPN citing that he's done for the year. What a debacle as a whole, but it's a fairly good end result for this season. Clears a spot on the 40, don't have to deal with a crappy but healthy Sandoval, hope that he rehabs and gets under control for next season where he'll have a chance to win a spot, otherwise he might just get cut
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Post by ctwebb on May 2, 2016 21:33:40 GMT -5
Any chance it's secretly gastric bypass? Or perhaps surgically preventing him from lifting a fork to his own mouth?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2016 6:00:54 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on May 3, 2016 6:19:49 GMT -5
So if his shoulder has been hurt all this time, seems like a good time to finally get surgery.
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Post by ericmvan on May 3, 2016 6:29:08 GMT -5
And now that we know he's not coming back, they should really look for a LH bat for the bench. Or even a starting LF so that Holt could be that guy. Nick Markakis (signed through 2019 at $11M per) is a solid 2 WAR player, and while he may not actually be a better option for LF than Holt, you'd be way better against RHP whenever Holt was needed elsewhere. Only thing is, he's hardly ever played LF or pinch-hit.
Jay Bruce is in his walk year, has never played much LF either, and isn't as good as Markakis, but he's been a good pinch-hitter and still has some pop left. Neither the Braves nor Reds are going anywhere this year. Bruce as a 4th OFer makes a good deal of sense.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2016 6:40:45 GMT -5
lol, Benintendi bats from the left side and has the tools for LF+.
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Post by radiohix on May 3, 2016 6:42:34 GMT -5
And now that we know he's not coming back, they should really look for a LH bat for the bench. Or even a starting LF so that Holt could be that guy. Nick Markakis (signed through 2019 at $11M per) is a solid 2 WAR player, and while he may not actually be a better option for LF than Holt, you'd be way better against RHP whenever Holt was needed elsewhere. Only thing is, he's hardly ever played LF or pinch-hit. Jay Bruce is in his walk year, has never played much LF either, and isn't as good as Markakis, but he's been a good pinch-hitter and still has some pop left. Neither the Braves nor Reds are going anywhere this year. Bruce as a 4th OFer makes a good deal of sense. The Rangers have too many left hitting coner outfielder, Josh Hamilton basically costs nothing and considering his injuries, will play around 4 games a week and you could terminate his contract when you think your replacement (Benintendi) is ready. EDIT: He's hurt again and it doesn't look good. Mitch Moreland maybe? They need a spot for Gallo anyway.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2016 7:08:38 GMT -5
And now that we know he's not coming back, they should really look for a LH bat for the bench. Or even a starting LF so that Holt could be that guy. Nick Markakis (signed through 2019 at $11M per) is a solid 2 WAR player, and while he may not actually be a better option for LF than Holt, you'd be way better against RHP whenever Holt was needed elsewhere. Only thing is, he's hardly ever played LF or pinch-hit. Jay Bruce is in his walk year, has never played much LF either, and isn't as good as Markakis, but he's been a good pinch-hitter and still has some pop left. Neither the Braves nor Reds are going anywhere this year. Bruce as a 4th OFer makes a good deal of sense. The Rangers have too many left hitting coner outfielder, Josh Hamilton basically costs nothing and considering his injuries, will play around 4 games a week and you could terminate his contract when you think your replacement (Benintendi) is ready. EDIT: He's hurt again and it doesn't look good. Mitch Moreland maybe? They need a spot for Gallo anyway. The concluding paragraph would need to be explored: But this is a scenario that I think those of us who were less than enthused about the Josh acquisition were concerned about -- a situation where you can't count on Josh in putting together your roster because he can't stay healthy, but where you have to carve out a roster spot for him if he is healthy (even if there are better options available), since you can't just release him or send him to the minors.Edit: Didn't notice your edit.
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Post by jmei on May 3, 2016 7:18:24 GMT -5
Old friend Alejandro De Aza is still not playing much for the Mets.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2016 7:24:15 GMT -5
I should think that if the Sox were concerned enough to think about a trade that they'd have Marco playing left field every day at Pawtucket to see what they have in house.
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Post by jmei on May 3, 2016 7:40:08 GMT -5
Hernandez is almost certainly a worse hitter than Holt, though.
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Post by radiohix on May 3, 2016 7:46:41 GMT -5
Old friend Alejandro De Aza is still not playing much for the Mets. Yeah, that sounds good to me.
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