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Post by gatortough on Dec 17, 2012 7:17:05 GMT -5
Jon Heyman @jonheymancbs Drew gets $9.5M salary. #redsox
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 17, 2012 8:15:11 GMT -5
Jon Heyman @jonheymancbs Drew gets $9.5M salary. #redsox Nice "pillow" contract. Win/win for us and him.
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 17, 2012 10:06:31 GMT -5
Iglesias is going to the AZ Development Center to build up his body for the season. This is a good sign, what, with Pedey looking after him. I hope he comes into Camp with a few pounds of muscle added to his slight frame, and dazzles with the bat.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 17, 2012 20:35:52 GMT -5
adsuote author=spchrishatfield board=general thread=322 post=7940 time=1355627037]Sorry about that: I'm not mad at all. Just saying that this source seems highly suspect, a guy who hasn't been involved in the game since 1999 trying to sell instructional materials, and that I didn't get what the point was that you were trying to make. I guess you weren't trying to make one, so I misunderstood. Apologies on that.
As for the sentence, my point is that he goes on throughout the whole thing that Major League farm systems only want coaches to teach their particular theories or modes of instruction, although he words it as something like "what the development coordinator wants" or something like that. Isn't that kind of the point? In reading most if it, the response in my head was almost always, "well, yeah, of course."
It's a guy on a website that's shilling instructional videos writing an article about how professional coaches are bad at instruction. Look at the intro - it's trying to appeal directly to agents of minor league players. It just reads to me as a guy who's bitter that he isn't coaching anymore trying to sell DVDs.
I'm not saying that professional baseball instruction is perfect. But if the Red Sox had a certain way they wanted to instruct their players, but then the hitting coach in, say, Greenville wanted to do something different, wouldn't you expect them to find a different hitting coach? That's basically this guy's argument about why professional baseball instruction is subpar.[/quote]
I have confidence (and faith) that current Sox management is making every effort to maximize return from every player and coach. And we, as fans, deserve it. Rob Ellis' cited article re-enforced what I had long suspected about baseball ....that it was time-warped. I was concerned that baseball was too slow to adapt to change, to new ideas, new teaching, and to technology advances...including my Red Sox. Moneyball essentially said the same thing on a narrower basis.
Interestingly within the past year I talked with a "scout" for another organization who played ML baseball in the 80s and was languishing financially in retirement. He told me that he was (20 years later) contacted by a ML club and asked if he wanted to be a scout. He initially declined saying that he was too long absent from the game and did not know much about scouting. The reply was that he "could learn". After considering his alternatives, he said "OK". This reported situation did nothing to instill confidence in the legitimacy of baseball as a modern day science.
On the other hand, current Sox ownership made clear that it recognized the need to have coaches at each level teach the same process and philosophy re hitting so that there would be no confusion or mixed messaging. Great! One of Ellis' salient points was that there are too few coaches per player. The Red Sox recently hired a second ML hitting instructor in acknowledgment of such shortcoming. To me this gives credence to Ellis and is an important evolution. I give the Red Sox credit for addressing the issue and being in the vanguard.
IMO the fact that Ellis may derive some financial benefit from his ‘ads’ does not make his comments, by themselves, devoid of value or substance. I have since located other baseball articles that essentially say the same things he did. Maybe all these people are angry, disadvantaged, dysfunctional or seeking financial gain at the expense of others. But to me, after many years of watching baseball, there rings some truth.
In any case, we now have Drew as a current shortstop, so whither Iglesias?
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Post by azblue on Dec 18, 2012 9:56:41 GMT -5
Could the Red Sox be thinking of making Iglesias part of a package for Rick Porcello?
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 18, 2012 10:06:19 GMT -5
Could the Red Sox be thinking of making Iglesias part of a package for Rick Porcello? That would almost be tragic, wouldn't it? Giving up an ace defensive shortstop in exchange for one of the games most extreme ground ball pitchers? Not saying that it isn't possible, just that the fan side of me would be a bit disappointed.
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Post by azblue on Dec 18, 2012 14:11:32 GMT -5
I would hate trading Iglesias, because I think he will eventually hit adequately and Bogarts may be better suited to another position.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 18, 2012 14:21:08 GMT -5
Could the Red Sox be thinking of making Iglesias part of a package for Rick Porcello? That would almost be tragic, wouldn't it? Giving up an ace defensive shortstop in exchange for one of the games most extreme ground ball pitchers? Not saying that it isn't possible, just that the fan side of me would be a bit disappointed. I would say it is Gift of the Magi[/color] level irony.
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Post by jmei on Dec 18, 2012 14:29:39 GMT -5
That would almost be tragic, wouldn't it? Giving up an ace defensive shortstop in exchange for one of the games most extreme ground ball pitchers? Not saying that it isn't possible, just that the fan side of me would be a bit disappointed. I would say it is Gift of the Magi[/color] level irony. [/quote] Well-played, sir, well-played.
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Post by jioh on Dec 18, 2012 16:57:56 GMT -5
I don't see the need for haste with Iglesias. He's a few months older than Jackie Bradley and over a year younger than Bryce Brentz. He's not a head of lettuce you have to use by Saturday.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 18, 2012 18:37:20 GMT -5
I don't see the need for haste with Iglesias. He's a few months older than Jackie Bradley and over a year younger than Bryce Brentz. He's not a head of lettuce you have to use by Saturday. Yup. We definitely have time with "Iggy". But, to be more than a utility player at the ML level we all know that he has to show that he can produce at least modestly at the plate. If he can be a .260, .325, .380 guy, maybe he starts in 2014, 2015. Despite having 700+ at bats in AAA as someone noted, he is not ready. The Sox obviously know that and are giving him another year at AAA (barring something unforeseen) to make the necessary strides. The Drew pick-up probably was a wake-up call if ever there was one.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 18, 2012 19:05:50 GMT -5
The issue with Iglesias is that he's on the 40 and this is his final option year, so he needs to be ready to be in the majors full time by next season.
So while he's young, he's really got to figure it out this year.
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 18, 2012 19:22:21 GMT -5
The issue with Iglesias is that he's on the 40 and this is his final option year, so he needs to be ready to be in the majors full time by next season. So while he's young, he's really got to figure it out this year. Well I'd be hard pressed to find an outcome of this season for him that didn't clarify it one way or the other. Either he hits well (.275+) in AAA and can hit .225+ in whatever his MLB AB's get, or his bat stagnates or falls off. One way or the other, he will either show that he's a capable starting MLB SS, or he's trade bait. The problem is that the Sox have to get him MLB AB's to figure out if he's a long term option. Clearly the best way to do that wasn't to sign a SS to a $9.5M deal for this season. Calling him up and using him sparsely also probably won't prove anything in terms of his AB.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 18, 2012 21:00:35 GMT -5
The issue with Iglesias is that he's on the 40 and this is his final option year, so he needs to be ready to be in the majors full time by next season. So while he's young, he's really got to figure it out this year. Well I'd be hard pressed to find an outcome of this season for him that didn't clarify it one way or the other. Either he hits well (.275+) in AAA and can hit .225+ in whatever his MLB AB's get, or his bat stagnates or falls off. One way or the other, he will either show that he's a capable starting MLB SS, or he's trade bait. The problem is that the Sox have to get him MLB AB's to figure out if he's a long term option. Clearly the best way to do that wasn't to sign a SS to a $9.5M deal for this season. Calling him up and using him sparsely also probably won't prove anything in terms of his AB. He clearly needs to work on his hitting. Boston and all of the media/talk radio/fan pressure that comes with this city will certainly not help a young player improve his game.
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 18, 2012 22:39:30 GMT -5
I think many would say that after 700 AAA AB's he isn't likely to really improve on his hitting. Correct, if he struggles, the Boston media likely won't help, but I'm not sure AB's 700-900 in Pawtucket will help him at all. At some point you have to give him an opportunity in the bigs consistently to see if he's actually worth anything
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Post by bluechip on Dec 18, 2012 22:46:06 GMT -5
I think many would say that after 700 AAA AB's he isn't likely to really improve on his hitting. Correct, if he struggles, the Boston media likely won't help, but I'm not sure AB's 700-900 in Pawtucket will help him at all. At some point you have to give him an opportunity in the bigs consistently to see if he's actually worth anything He is still just 23. Its not like he is a 27 year old, who spent multiple seasons at AA and A. If he isn't going to improve on his hitting, then there is really no point in keeping him and wasting MLB at bats on him. If he goes to AAA and shows he can hit, then trade Drew or let him walk. Its not like a year at AAA will hurt him. He has an option, so the team might as well use it now.
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Post by soxcentral on Dec 21, 2012 14:24:05 GMT -5
For anyone else who was under the impression Iglesias was working out this winter with Dustin Pedroia, that appears to be only kind of true. "He wants to learn and that's why everybody around thinks he's going to be a good one, because he wants to learn. I mean, he came from Cuba and he learned English in a year. He picks up things quick, and that's not easy. He needs to learn and he's definitely willing to do it. He came out to Arizona and worked his butt off for the three days I was with him. He's going to put in the time." "I'm sure we're signing Stephen to go out there and play," Pedroia said. "Iggy, I'm sure he understands that. He understands he needs to get better and there are things he needs to work on. I haven't talked to Iggy since we signed Drew, but that's a part of the game." espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8757420/dustin-pedroia-endorses-stephen-drew-believes-jose-iglesias
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 21, 2012 14:40:07 GMT -5
.........."he worked his butt off for three days"........ Then they signed Drew and he said "adios".
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