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Post by dd on Jul 18, 2016 9:05:38 GMT -5
Chatham is a new guy too, isn't he? He is a new guy in that he's one of this year's draftees. I didn't include him in that summary because he was signed on 6/18 and ranked at #13 on 7/1 so he wasn't new to the top 60 this week.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2016 9:08:19 GMT -5
Chatham is a new guy too, isn't he? He was ranked in the previous update because he'd signed early enough. Same w/ Nogosek. EDIT: Dubs beating me to the punch!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2016 9:09:30 GMT -5
Bump for the 7/15 rankings update Interesting. What's the reasoning in placing Groome ahead of Kopech? We talked a bit a bout this in the podcast coming out (hopefully) tonight, actually: Groome has better mechanics, a better frame, better secondary stuff, better control and command, and is left-handed. Kopech has the better fastball and that's about it. It's not really that close, IMO.
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Post by joshv02 on Jul 18, 2016 9:50:35 GMT -5
When you say "its not really all that close," but you are basing it off of a scouting take without having actually seen one of them other than HS youtube videos, and you rank them next to each other while also saying that the big drop off comes a few spots after them, I'm not sure what to make of it <emoticon>.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 18, 2016 9:52:55 GMT -5
It's a minor thing, but I'm curious: what's the feeling for not slapping the 8 ceiling on Moncada? Seems like if anyone in the minors has "Franchise Player" ceiling, it's Moncada.
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Post by patford on Jul 18, 2016 11:27:59 GMT -5
Thanks. I always enjoy the podcasts. My understanding is Kopech showed a big improvement in repeating his delivery in his last start. Of course it's a little ridiculous to base control and command on one start. If a person isolated the most recent start by Henry Owens they could say he's turned a corner. Similarly in the recent Scouting Scratch on Espinoza it was mentioned his delivery was kind of a mess which goes against what was thought to be one of his most outstanding attributes; the ability to repeat his delivery.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2016 12:12:44 GMT -5
When you say "its not really all that close," but you are basing it off of a scouting take without having actually seen one of them other than HS youtube videos, and you rank them next to each other while also saying that the big drop off comes a few spots after them, I'm not sure what to make of it <emoticon>. I didn't mean to imply that they're worlds apart or anything, so my bad if that was unclear. I'm just saying that among two prospects who were clearly going to be 4/5 on the list, there wasn't that much of a debate. The biggest things are the third pitch and the command/control profiles, but yes, we obviously need to see Groome to get a better idea. Unfortunately all we have to go on right now for him are reports. Let's put it this way - not knowing anything about two players, would you expect the top on-field talent in a given draft to rank ahead of a guy ranked in the 90s of a midseason, no-draftee list (BA)? The 40s (KLaw)?
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Post by dd on Jul 18, 2016 18:38:02 GMT -5
Wow Ockimey up to 8. Is Chavis moving down a function of just real good players moving up or is he becoming more and more "disappointing?"
Chatham ahead of Chavis? A 2nd round pick - chosen at around his spot vs a 1st round pick of 2014.
So far Light has been a disaster in the show. How good is he really? Yeah I noticed that too. Ockimey has jumped, I believe 29, places in two successive rankings. ...a meteoric, maybe Soxprospects historic, rise. Yup, not quite that quick but PDQ: 4/7 #37 4/30 #26 5/31 #20 7/1 #17 7/15 #8
Another guy who comes to mind in terms of meteors is Marco Hernandez: 4/30/15 #59 5/31/15 unranked 6/30/15 #42 7/31/15 #18 I guess you could say he jumped (at least) 43 spots in 2 months.
I can't think of anybody else and it's hard to check and Mike doesn't pay me enough. I can look up a name if anybody's curious about a particular player.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2016 22:18:54 GMT -5
Mookie
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Post by soxjim on Jul 19, 2016 0:28:23 GMT -5
Chatham is a new guy too, isn't he? He is a new guy in that he's one of this year's draftees. I didn't include him in that summary because he was signed on 6/18 and ranked at #13 on 7/1 so he wasn't new to the top 60 this week. I just thought it odd as a new guy who went about where he was drafted in the 2nd round is ahead of 1st round pick Chavis. Chavis doesn't seem to be doing that bad. Odd that Chatham jumped him without even one at bat.
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Post by deepjohn on Jul 19, 2016 0:41:00 GMT -5
When you say "its not really all that close," but you are basing it off of a scouting take without having actually seen one of them other than HS youtube videos, and you rank them next to each other while also saying that the big drop off comes a few spots after them, I'm not sure what to make of it <emoticon>. I didn't mean to imply that they're worlds apart or anything, so my bad if that was unclear. I'm just saying that among two prospects who were clearly going to be 4/5 on the list, there wasn't that much of a debate. The biggest things are the third pitch and the command/control profiles, but yes, we obviously need to see Groome to get a better idea. Unfortunately all we have to go on right now for him are reports. Let's put it this way - not knowing anything about two players, would you expect the top on-field talent in a given draft to rank ahead of a guy ranked in the 90s of a midseason, no-draftee list (BA)? The 40s (KLaw)? Why you hatin' on Kopech? When asked about his 40s ranking, KLaw admitted "I have no idea what to do with Kopech", and said he couldn't think of a comparable starter. 17 year old who last pitched in high school ahead of a 20 year old who is blowing away everybody in High A? DDo says the Sox were able to part with Espinoza because of the emergence of Kopech? Control/command profile? Kopech's got stretches within each start where he's lights out. Pours strikes into the zone. Loses it for a batter or two, then he's lights out again. That's Chapman's control/command profile. Secondary pitches? Wipeout slider much? Seen his 89 change? Ok, I'm gonna stop now. For the record, strong disagreement. Kopech should be 1/2/3 with Benny/Moncada. The evaluators will catch up in month or so. SHOULD ADD: To Chris, and your colleagues (Mike, Ian, Matt, et al). You guys do amazing work and I'm incredibly grateful. Muchos gracias.
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Post by dd on Jul 19, 2016 9:04:27 GMT -5
He is a new guy in that he's one of this year's draftees. I didn't include him in that summary because he was signed on 6/18 and ranked at #13 on 7/1 so he wasn't new to the top 60 this week. I just thought it odd as a new guy who went about where he was drafted in the 2nd round is ahead of 1st round pick Chavis. Chavis doesn't seem to be doing that bad. Odd that Chatham jumped him without even one at bat. On, sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you referring to the list I'd posted which included "New Guys" ... to the ranking. If you were questioning where guys were ranked, that's even further above my pay grade than random ranking trivia. I'm not SP staff, just an old fart with a serious addiction to spreadsheets.
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Post by shorething on Jul 19, 2016 10:41:25 GMT -5
Yeah I noticed that too. Ockimey has jumped, I believe 29, places in two successive rankings. ...a meteoric, maybe Soxprospects historic, rise. Yup, not quite that quick but PDQ: 4/7 #37 4/30 #26 5/31 #20 7/1 #17 7/15 #8
Another guy who comes to mind in terms of meteors is Marco Hernandez: 4/30/15 #59 5/31/15 unranked 6/30/15 #42 7/31/15 #18 I guess you could say he jumped (at least) 43 spots in 2 months.
I can't think of anybody else and it's hard to check and Mike doesn't pay me enough. I can look up a name if anybody's curious about a particular player.
Matt Barnes
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 19, 2016 11:05:13 GMT -5
Yup, not quite that quick but PDQ: 4/7 #37 4/30 #26 5/31 #20 7/1 #17 7/15 #8
Another guy who comes to mind in terms of meteors is Marco Hernandez: 4/30/15 #59 5/31/15 unranked 6/30/15 #42 7/31/15 #18 I guess you could say he jumped (at least) 43 spots in 2 months.
I can't think of anybody else and it's hard to check and Mike doesn't pay me enough. I can look up a name if anybody's curious about a particular player.
Matt Barnes
Barnes was a first-round draft pick. I doubt he's ever been below the top 15.
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Post by dd on Jul 19, 2016 14:27:26 GMT -5
Just for clarity, shorething said Matt Barnes, I didn't.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 28, 2016 11:37:04 GMT -5
Does anyone have background information on Ian Cundall? Just wanted to know what he did before becoming a scout for Sox Prospects.
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Post by dd on Aug 2, 2016 16:54:41 GMT -5
DetailsSummary Not too many changes for this 2 week period:
- Yoan Moncada's Floor grad is up from 4 to 5.
- Andrew Benintendi's is too and also, so much for that mid 2017 ETA!
- Bobby Dalbec was ranked for the first time on 7/15 at #27. He's up 6 spots now at # 21.
- Williams Jerez moved up from 43 to 39, but still a long way from his high of 17 at the start of the season.
- Pat light is gone and the new guy on the list at # 60 is Victor Garcia
MGA Edit: Kopech's grade did not change.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 1, 2016 9:22:38 GMT -5
Thoughts on when the next update/re-ranking will be done? Seems like it's been static for some time, and there are no small arrows indicating trends/likely changes for the next re-ranking.
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Post by jmei on Sept 1, 2016 9:35:41 GMT -5
Updates are done at the beginning of each month, so you should see one shortly.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 1, 2016 10:13:42 GMT -5
Updates are done at the beginning of each month, so you should see one shortly. Thanks. Love this site!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 1, 2016 13:05:13 GMT -5
And there's the update. Looks reasonable - thoughts on why Aneury Tavarez is so low - he is having a monster year in Portland.
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Post by dd on Sept 1, 2016 15:40:13 GMT -5
DetailsSummary- Marco Hernandez move up 1 to # 9, his highest ranking.
- Ditto for Mauricio Dubon who moved up from 11 to 10.
- Bobby Dalbec, at # 21 last month, is now 11th.
- Josh Ockimey dropped from 9 to 13.
- Travis Lakins fell from 14 to 17.
- Mike Shawaryn rose from 27 to 22, his highest.
- Chandler Shepherd now at # 23, down from 20.
- Josh Pennington up from 28 to 24, a new high for him.
- Jake Cosart moved from 29 to 25, still 1 short of his highest rank in April 2015.
- Deven Marrero fell from 22 to 28.
- Henry Ramos dropped 8 spots from 25 to 33.
- Darwinzon Hernandez soared upward from his 8/1 rank of 48 coming in this month at 36.
- Austin Glorius now at 37, up from 42.
- Marc Brakeman now at 40, down 7.
- Austin Rei also down 7, now at 45.
- Jeremy Rivera climbed 5 spots from 51 to 46.
- Tyler Hill is up from 56 to 51, his high water mark.
- Ryan LaMarre is ranked for the first time at # 59.
- Chris Acosta plummeted from 40th down to # 60.
- Roldani Baldwin and Victor Garcia, who held down the last two spots on the list a month ago, are no longer ranked.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Sept 7, 2016 9:27:24 GMT -5
FYI, the Staff will not be running community rankings voting on a going forward basis. As you might remember, we had previously organized and tallied top 40 rankings for this forum at the beginning and end of each minor league season. We're trying to streamline to work we do, and we looked at this closely and determined that these times of year is where it's actually the busiest for us in terms of updating the other parts of the site and transitioning from off-season to in-season mode (or the opposite).
If there is interest, hopefully someone from the forum can run with overseeing community rankings this season and in the future. The biggest responsibilities are setting the universe of eligible prospects, setting reasonable timelines, checking that people didn't rank the same prospect twice or leave a prospect out by mistake, and figuring out how to tally the rankings scores, particularly when a prospect doesn't make someone's top 40.
Thanks everyone! Mike
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Post by soxjim on Sept 7, 2016 18:42:26 GMT -5
Beni's floor "dropped?"
Are you kidding?
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Post by Mike Andrews on Sept 7, 2016 20:27:01 GMT -5
Neither Benintendi's floor nor Kopech's grade changed.
Sent from my smart phone
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